UPDATE: Max had another cleansing BM this morning. Yesterdays BM was smaller but a BM just the same. VERY pleased with the results that we are getting with the SEB. I will be continuing the SEB until Sunday and then starting next week, will introduce the Probiotics, but alternate with SEB for part of the week.

Some of the side effects with Probiotics are gas and bloating and so a little concerned that this could be Max's experience. Will be giving small amounts to start to see how well he tolerates it. Will update everyone who may be tuning in.

I have an appointment for Max with my holistic vet on Saturday for a general checkup, and very much looking forward to telling her all about the results with the SEB. The last time she would have seen Max, he was still on the Fibre food. She knows about the L-Lysine and I updated the clinic about the SEB and Coconut Oil, so lots to report and talk about.

oneandahalfcats said:

UPDATE: Max had another cleansing BM this morning. Yesterdays BM was smaller but a BM just the same. VERY pleased with the results that we are getting with the SEB. I will be continuing the SEB until Sunday and then starting next week, will introduce the Probiotics, but alternate with SEB for part of the week.

Some of the side effects with Probiotics are gas and bloating and so a little concerned that this could be Max's experience. Will be giving small amounts to start to see how well he tolerates it. Will update everyone who may be tuning in.

I have an appointment for Max with my holistic vet on Saturday for a general checkup, and very much looking forward to telling her all about the results with the SEB. The last time she would have seen Max, he was still on the Fibre food. She knows about the L-Lysine and I updated the clinic about the SEB and Coconut Oil, so lots to report and talk about.

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I am so glad to hear Max is doing so well on the SEB. Peaches is actually doing good right now, she is going every other day, in fact I had to cut back on the miralax because her stools were getting to soft. I just hope by doing this it doesn't mess with her routine that she has going right now.

I have been trying to get Peaches to eat a variety of canned foods but I just don't have much luck with that. She will only eat turkey in whatever I try and even then she will turn her nose up at it. She won't eat Wellness turkey anymore unless I mix it with a food she can't have. The only canned she will eat right now is Wlid calling turkey. If something ever happens to this food I don't know what I will do. I also went and picked up a bag of the Acana dry cat food, to my surprise when I put a few pieces in her dish she ate it  .  I would like to get her and my 6 feral cats on this dry food. I still think I will pick up some of the SEB when I am able to get to a health store. Not sure if I asked before but what brand do you use? Is Max still eating the coconut oil for you?  I hope Max continues to do well.

Thank-you. That is also SO AWESOME that Peaches is doing well too. So pleased to hear about this!

When it comes to serving different foods I am of two minds on this. One, its good for cats to have variety, but then if they are doing very well on a food, then I see no reason to change. I am not convinced that different foods guarantees the prevention of allergies which is one theory. I feed Wellness for the most part but am also now rotating with the Weruva.

Re. the ACANA, that is super that she likes this! Its a good grain-free food which I have tried in the past.

The SEB brand that I am using is Nature's Way in capsule form. I discovered on a recent visit that my local health food store has SEB in bulk so I am going to try some of this as well, as it is supposedly a purer source (no fillers?).

Re. the Coconut Oil, yes and no. Some days everyone will lick from a spoon while other days not. So I put the oil in their food quite often. I also alternate between the refined (no flavor) and unrefined (intense coconut flavor) and they seem to go for the refined more so, which still contains many of the important omega-3 nutrients, just not as much as the unrefined.

Again very pleased to hear that Peaches is doing well. Many positive vibes that this continues and that your ferals are going to like the Acana food.

Well, it seems like my brood are the stragglers.  We went to the vet yesterday for enemas for both Josie and Dory.  I signed off on estimates of $700 each    Blood work, x-rays, enemas.  The vet came in talk to me before it all started and he basically talked me out of the procedures.  He examined the cats and while he felt feces in the colon, he didn't see signs of it being hard or enlarged.  He agrees with me that the constipation is due to what's happening in the head rather than physiological or pharmological reasons.  Yes, he could do the enemas but that would clear out the problem once.  He felt they should be encouraged to go at home with some help...and then re-evaluate if the problem persisted.  That includes stopping the prozac and trying something else.  So the cats were given a large dose of Laxatone and we went home.  He recommended Laxatone and if needed, pediatric suppositories and further along, Dulcolax.  Meanwhile, I am to work on de-stressing them and the home environment.

Josie went within a couple of hours of returning home.  But Dory held out.  Just before midnight I gave her half a child's glycerin suppository.  And still nothing!  I'm pretty sure Dory's superpower is holding poop.  So I thought, "a return to the vet in the morning"...I then woke up to the sounds of Dory digging in her litter box.  She was in there awhile and produced a hefty amount.  So happy to wake up to smelly poop!  I'm not sure how much the suppository helped.  Are they designed to work 8 hours later?  I thought it was 15-60 minutes?

Both their poop was mushy so I'm going back to 1/8 tsp of Miralax once a day.  The trick now is to get them to go more frequently.  I'm feeding them calming treats again or in Dory's case, forcing some of the liquid on her.  I had stopped the calming treats when they started prozac as they didn't want them to be overly loopy.  I also worried being too calm meant their colon muscles would be too lax to work...but perhaps the calming treats will help with the stress and relax the holding habit.  I also had Feliway on timer, but it's now back to 24/7.  I also moved Dory's litterbox to a corner of the bedroom and hoping that will give her some semblance of privacy.  

I want to move on with the reintroduction process but I am hesitant any moves to more interaction will only exacerbate the constipation problem.  Yet, living separated is stressful too...

I have also added B12 back to see if that will help propel things.  I tried to coconut oil but they just don't like it.  I know Miralax is keeping things soft now I have to figure out how to trigger the process.

tdonline said:

 
Josie went within a couple of hours of returning home.  But Dory held out.  Just before midnight I gave her half a child's glycerin suppository.  And still nothing!  I'm pretty sure Dory's superpower is holding poop.  So I thought, "a return to the vet in the morning"...I then woke up to the sounds of Dory digging in her litter box.  She was in there awhile and produced a hefty amount.  So happy to wake up to smelly poop!  I'm not sure how much the suppository helped.  Are they designed to work 8 hours later?  I thought it was 15-60 minutes?

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Suppositories are supposed to work within 15-60 minutes, but they don't always work. I gave one to my kitty and nothing happened. Some internet research said that if nothing happens it's usually because

 the stool isn't far along enough in the trip to come out  yet. I doubt it was the suppository that made Dory go. More likely it was just a natural movement.

tdonline said:

 
Well, it seems like my brood are the stragglers.  We went to the vet yesterday for enemas for both Josie and Dory.  I signed off on estimates of $700 each 

  Blood work, x-rays, enemas.  The vet came in talk to me before it all started and he basically talked me out of the procedures.  He examined the cats and while he felt feces in the colon, he didn't see signs of it being hard or enlarged.  He agrees with me that the constipation is due to what's happening in the head rather than physiological or pharmological reasons.  Yes, he could do the enemas but that would clear out the problem once.  He felt they should be encouraged to go at home with some help...and then re-evaluate if the problem persisted.  That includes stopping the prozac and trying something else.  So the cats were given a large dose of Laxatone and we went home.  He recommended Laxatone and if needed, pediatric suppositories and further along, Dulcolax.  Meanwhile, I am to work on de-stressing them and the home environment.

Josie went within a couple of hours of returning home.  But Dory held out.  Just before midnight I gave her half a child's glycerin suppository.  And still nothing!  I'm pretty sure Dory's superpower is holding poop.  So I thought, "a return to the vet in the morning"...I then woke up to the sounds of Dory digging in her litter box.  She was in there awhile and produced a hefty amount.  So happy to wake up to smelly poop!  I'm not sure how much the suppository helped.  Are they designed to work 8 hours later?  I thought it was 15-60 minutes?

Both their poop was mushy so I'm going back to 1/8 tsp of Miralax once a day.  The trick now is to get them to go more frequently.  I'm feeding them calming treats again or in Dory's case, forcing some of the liquid on her.  I had stopped the calming treats when they started prozac as they didn't want them to be overly loopy.  I also worried being too calm meant their colon muscles would be too lax to work...but perhaps the calming treats will help with the stress and relax the holding habit.  I also had Feliway on timer, but it's now back to 24/7.  I also moved Dory's litterbox to a corner of the bedroom and hoping that will give her some semblance of privacy.  

I want to move on with the reintroduction process but I am hesitant any moves to more interaction will only exacerbate the constipation problem.  Yet, living separated is stressful too...

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Hi there! Very glad to hear that both Dory and Josie were able to go recently, and that Dory got a good cleaning out! AWESOME! I am also glad to hear that the bowel movements are staying soft, and so when they do go, they are most likely not having to strain which is GOOD!

Boy, that would have been quite the vet bill. Kudos to your vet for being so honest, frank and willing to go the extra mile in trying to get at the root of the problem, rather than throw a bunch of tests and medications at it. Although I am sure you would have been more than willing to go through with everything if it meant these tests could help to find the cause and a solution.

Comment about Dory's superpower. That is funny!

Re. the suppository, these usually work pretty quickly. Because you insert this into the anus, the feces would need to be close by for the suppository to work more quickly. 

Feliway 24/7 is a good plan. Not familiar with calming treats? What are these?

Re. the reintroduction process, I think you should go for it. Dory and Josie will most likely display some negative moments but they have to go through the process sooner or later, and learn to get along again for their sake as well as yours. How did you manage the visit with both cats at the vet, or were they seen separately? If you have a friend or relative that you can get together with at the apartment, you could try working with the cats together where you both sit in a room with your back to each and a cat facing you. You engage in play or some similar distraction, and lots of petting and verbal reinforcement. The play lasts for 5-10 minutes at which time you then switch cats. This keeps both cats in the room but with their attention on you/your companion but not on each other. You would do this several times facing away from each other. Then as things progress where you feel the cats are feeling comfortable and secure, you move the interactions closer together, or side by side. Always checking for reactions and removing the cat/cats to a room, as necessary.  There are some good re-introduction articles out there, and I am sure some videos. If I come across some, I will definitely post.

Thank you for sharing this update! Lots of positive vibes for Dory and Josie in the coming days.   

Thank you for reintro tips.  I appreciate it.  We're stuck in one stage because I still see signs of anxiety and of course, the constipation.  They actually can be in the same room together--if one is in a carrier.  And that's how it worked at the vet's.  Initially I was keeping them in the carriers in order so they could spend some time together in the same room.  But now I have the nagging doubt if that was a mistake.  I wonder if while in the carrier, they were holding and now they've gotten used to it?  I do still have one in the carrier and one out to allow more interaction.  But I limit the carrier times to 30 minutes or so.  Sometimes when they're in their sleepy period, I leave them in the carrier for longer (the late afternoon when they are in their deepest nap time and stay still for hours anyway).  They seem pretty okay in terms of dealing with each other in this manner.  I'm guessing they know they are safe with the carrier as a barrier.

The problem arises when they see each other uncontained.  I leave the sliding bedroom or hallway door slightly open and I see the following--cats see each other, come close, sniff and then Dory will run away.  I see her in the meatloaf position and staring at the door.  To me...that's an anxious cat and I'm not sure if she's ready for the next step.  And since they are now taking prozac every other day, I noticed on the "off med" days, they will trade punches through the door.  Luckily these punch ups are pretty tame and nothing like pre-prozac episodes, still it's not a good sign. Again, I fear they are not ready for more.

It may have just been a coincidence but their constipation took a severe downturn (particularly Dory) when I bumped them from total isolation to swapping rooms and seeing each other. 

Oh well, this reminds to clean out Dory's litter box.  I cleared out/sanitized Josie's box earlier this week and didn't see any improvement in her pooping schedule. Hopefully it's not the case for Dory.

oneandahalfcats said:

 
Feliway 24/7 is a good plan. Not familiar with calming treats? What are these?

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Exactly as they are named--treats designed to calm cats.  Rescue Remedy in a treat?  Check them out on Amazon.  I'm not sure if they really work.  My cats seem more lethargic on them rather than calm.  But I'll keep trying them especially once I taper them off prozac.  My only concern is if they contribute to constipation.  So far I can't tell if they do or don't.

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Exactly as they are named--treats designed to calm cats.  Rescue Remedy in a treat?  Check them out on Amazon.  I'm not sure if they really work.  My cats seem more lethargic on them rather than calm.  But I'll keep trying them especially once I taper them off prozac.  My only concern is if they contribute to constipation.  So far I can't tell if they do or don't.

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I searched this out on Amazon. And while I have not used them, there are some surprisingly good things in there like colostrum which I am familiar with. Its a form of milk that is derived from cows mammary glands which is used to supplement young calves to help to boost immune system. For this reason, it is sometimes effective for other animals. Although the amount is small in this case, the purpose for its use here is to reduce stress and to improve cognitive function? The main ingredient seems to be the Thiamine (B-vitamin) which is probably the most helpful. The product does have a bit of calcium sulphate which is an ingredient that can be constipating, but as its classified as an inactive ingredient (in other words filler), the amount is probably negligable.

Here is the fact sheet : http://www.petnaturals.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=701868021

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Thank you for reintro tips.  I appreciate it.  We're stuck in one stage because I still see signs of anxiety and of course, the constipation.  They actually can be in the same room together--if one is in a carrier.  And that's how it worked at the vet's.  Initially I was keeping them in the carriers in order so they could spend some time together in the same room.  But now I have the nagging doubt if that was a mistake.  I wonder if while in the carrier, they were holding and now they've gotten used to it?  I do still have one in the carrier and one out to allow more interaction.  But I limit the carrier times to 30 minutes or so.  Sometimes when they're in their sleepy period, I leave them in the carrier for longer (the late afternoon when they are in their deepest nap time and stay still for hours anyway).  They seem pretty okay in terms of dealing with each other in this manner.  I'm guessing they know they are safe with the carrier as a barrier.





The problem arises when they see each other uncontained.  I leave the sliding bedroom or hallway door slightly open and I see the following--cats see each other, come close, sniff and then Dory will run away.  I see her in the meatloaf position and staring at the door.  To me...that's an anxious cat and I'm not sure if she's ready for the next step.  And since they are now taking prozac every other day, I noticed on the "off med" days, they will trade punches through the door.  Luckily these punch ups are pretty tame and nothing like pre-prozac episodes, still it's not a good sign. Again, I fear they are not ready for more.





It may have just been a coincidence but their constipation took a severe downturn (particularly Dory) when I bumped them from total isolation to swapping rooms and seeing each other. 





Oh well, this reminds to clean out Dory's litter box.  I cleared out/sanitized Josie's box earlier this week and didn't see any improvement in her pooping schedule. Hopefully it's not the case for Dory.

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Well it sounds like some progress has been made, which is good.

There is no timetable, but I think it is important to keep working at it. I have known cats who have spent their entire lives in apartment highrises and the results were that they became very paranoid and aggressive on account of the lack of interaction and exposure to the outside world. This is very typical and to be expected I think as cats must feel like they are in some control of their surroundings. The smaller their surroundings are, the more territorial they can become but then there are other factors as well like early socialization, basic temperment. I know you are limited in the amount of space you have, and for this reason, perhaps interspersed with the need to confine, you may want to step up the physical interaction between yourself and each cat. If you have or can get a hold of a wand toy or something similar that you can engage the cats in, this will provide some exercise but also help to bring these cats out their shells and take their minds off each other. You might even try doing this with one cat, while the other cat is in a place, looking on. These sorts of these things may help to change the game.

Speaking of the meatloaf position, this is not necessarily a position of anxiousness, but can be a position of readiness I think? Quite often when Max is sitting in the kitchen with me, he will be in this position and I know he is quite relaxed, in fact many times, looks like he's almost asleep!

Boo - whom I've had for 2 weeks now, was having his daily poop up until 4 days ago.  He took ~ 2.5 days to have a poop.  He's doing it again, so I went out and bought SEB powder at a health food store today. 

I switch canned foods all the time - including brand and/or chicken, turkey, beef, lamb or duck. My thought being - to lessen the chances of him developing an allergy to one specific protein.  The only thing that has changed is that he's essentially been off dry food for the past 1 week.  So perhaps that's throwing his body for a bit of a loop.   I'm not hugely concerned considering the diet change may be the cause of this, but we'll see what happens with the SEB.    I've given him 3x  1/2 tsp. today mixed in wet food, so here's hoping. 

I followed these 2 links:

http://www.holvet.net/slippery_soup.html

or this one:

Slippery Elm Syrup

Make your cat a homemade slippery elm syrup. Add 1 to 1 1/2 tsp. of the powder to 1 cup of cold water. Dampen the powder by stirring, which helps avoid lumps. Boil the mixture in a stainless steel or glass pot for about 3 minutes, stirring continually. Allow it to thicken to the consistency of maple syrup or molasses. Store in a dark colored dropper bottle in a cool place for one day or in the refrigerator no more than five days. Label and date the bottle. Give your cat 1/4 to 1/2 tsp. mixed with her food or straight if she'll drink it. You can administer up to 4 doses a day. For the most difficult cats, squirt onto their paws during their bath time and they will lick it off.

http://www.naturalnews.com/035014_kidney_disease_cats_Slippery_Elm_Bark.html

According to the first link, you can't overdose on SEB, but you'll have to experiment with your cat to see what's enough. 
 

Marc999 said:

Boo - whom I've had for 2 weeks now, was having his daily poop up until 4 days ago.  He took ~ 2.5 days to have a poop.  He's doing it again, so I went out and bought SEB powder at a health food store today. 





I switch canned foods all the time - including brand and/or chicken, turkey, beef, lamb or duck. My thought being - to lessen the chances of him developing an allergy to one specific protein.  The only thing that has changed is that he's essentially been off dry food for the past 1 week.  So perhaps that's throwing his body for a bit of a loop.   I'm not hugely concerned considering the diet change may be the cause of this, but we'll see what happens with the SEB.    I've given him 3x  1/2 tsp. today mixed in wet food, so here's hoping. 



I followed these 2 links:





http://www.holvet.net/slippery_soup.html





or this one:

Slippery Elm Syrup

Make your cat a homemade slippery elm syrup. Add 1 to 1 1/2 tsp. of the powder to 1 cup of cold water. Dampen the powder by stirring, which helps avoid lumps. Boil the mixture in a stainless steel or glass pot for about 3 minutes, stirring continually. Allow it to thicken to the consistency of maple syrup or molasses. Store in a dark colored dropper bottle in a cool place for one day or in the refrigerator no more than five days. Label and date the bottle. Give your cat 1/4 to 1/2 tsp. mixed with her food or straight if she'll drink it. You can administer up to 4 doses a day. For the most difficult cats, squirt onto their paws during their bath time and they will lick it off.


http://www.naturalnews.com/035014_kidney_disease_cats_Slippery_Elm_Bark.html





According to the first link, you can't overdose on SEB, but you'll have to experiment with your cat to see what's enough. 

 

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Sorry to hear that Boo is still having difficulty. As mentioned in your other post, it might be that Boo is one cat who needs a bit of fibre in his diet and so stopping the dry food (which is much denser) and replacing with all wet food, may also be what is causing the constipation. I understand the reasoning behind getting off dry food but it is important to do this gradually. Stopping abruptly can change the output. Earlier this year, I started reducing the amount of dry food in anticipation of getting everyone off of it this year. All of my cats are presently getting 2x wet food and 1x low fibre dry at 1/4 cup. Eventually I will remove the dry food on 'some' days for a portion of wet and see how this goes, and then eventually move on to all wet.

Re. rotating proteins as a means of preventing allergies, personally I am not convinced that it is meat protein per se that is the culprit for allergies, but am more inclined to believe based on my own experiences with Max and different foods, that the cause is the OTHER things in commercial diets such as wheat, corn, soy, carb starches such as potatoes and peas, yeast (Brewers Yeast) that is in many diets that can be an issue for some cats and dogs, eggs and other dairy products, not to mention the flavor enhancers and binders such as carageenan and guar gum. With the exception of maybe fish, all of these things are not species appropriate foods, and it is no wonder that cats and dogs develop allergies when consuming foods containing these things. Genetics must play a role as well, as cats are not genetically predisposed to consuming any of this stuff. So, while serving different foods can be good to keep cats satisfied, imo, switching things too often on the chance that this might prevent allergies, may be putting the cat in the position to develop digestive issues. When you think about it, how much variety does a cat in the wild get? They will eat their preferred diet every time. I feel it is better to limit the choices to 2 or 3 that a cat likes and tolerates well. I feed Wellness Grain-free chicken and alternate with Weruva Duck diet. I will be looking to try another grain-free wet food soon, as I want to get away from the carageenan in the Wellness, or ultimately transition to a raw diet, we shall see.

Thanks for posting the SEB recipe which will be helpful to others. I hope this can work for Boo and that he can get back to normal. SEB is a pretty safe herb to give to cats which is great, because it really does work, but it is important that proper dosing be observed. Everything has a toxicity level when used to the extreme.

Boo left a Poo Present for me by morning.  

This is twice now that he's taking ~ 2.5 days to drop a bomb.  I suppose that's not bad.   

I passed on the pumpkin and RestoraLax (MiraLax), and instead used SEB.  The end result being the same 2.5 days. I'll keep up the SEB dosing and monitor improvements. I may just add some dry food back into his diet since the first 4 yrs. of his life were (pure speculation) likely filled with kibble city.   Besides, I have a bag of Orijen I need to get into. 

> Oneandahalfcats - I'll go easy on the protein/brand rotation.  Maybe slow it down to say...chicken for a week or two, then turkey or beef and so on.  Rather than chicken one day, Beef for a couple days, Duck the next.  No doubt, it may be a bit quick on his digestive system to manage.   As you said, it may not even be the proteins themselves but some unwanted ingredient....bah....humbug. I need a big freezer and a meat grinder! 

I'm almost seeing RAW as potentially easier, once you've done it a few times and know where to get reliable safe meats. That's for another day. 

Marc999 said:

 
Boo left a Poo Present for me by morning.  

This is twice now that he's taking ~ 2.5 days to drop a bomb.  I suppose that's not bad.   

I passed on the pumpkin and RestoraLax (MiraLax), and instead used SEB.  The end result being the same 2.5 days. I'll keep up the SEB dosing and monitor improvements. I may just add some dry food back into his diet since the first 4 yrs. of his life were (pure speculation) likely filled with kibble city.   Besides, I have a bag of Orijen I need to get into. 

I'm almost seeing RAW as potentially easier, once you've done it a few times and know where to get reliable safe meats. That's for another day. 

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Egads!!

lt may very well be a good sign that he's not unloading gargantuan loads of waste that you need a backhoe-hire to dispose of.

lf, as you speculate, he was eating carb-ridden, dehydrating kibble for 4 years, it could very well be that his system is slowly adjusting to having better quality foods, absorbing them better, and producing less waste. My kibblers used to unload above said gargantuan turds. When l moved them to canned, the waste became less voluminous and less frequent. Now that they're on raw, their turds are small, dry, and quite infrequent (with NO smell!!). lf he isn't struggling to produce and doesn't seem in any discomfort, or going off his food, l would regard a shift in poop habits as not unwelcome.

Hmm, alright - that's poop ('er food) for thought.   Always nice to hear 2 sides of the coin, or a story one can relate to. Yes Andrya, he's not struggling, nor change in appetite. His behaviour is normal, borderline even sassy when he thwaps the back of my pant leg for fun. 

Are you proposing I eat the Orijen cat food? Yum!!!   

Andrya said:

 
Egads!!

lt may very well be a good sign that he's not unloading gargantuan loads of waste that you need a backhoe-hire to dispose of.

lf, as you speculate, he was eating carb-ridden, dehydrating kibble for 4 years, it could very well be that his system is slowly adjusting to having better quality foods, absorbing them better, and producing less waste. My kibblers used to unload above said gargantuan turds. When l moved them to canned, the waste became less voluminous and less frequent. Now that they're on raw, their turds are small, dry, and quite infrequent (with NO smell!!). lf he isn't struggling to produce and doesn't seem in any discomfort, or going off his food, l would regard a shift in poop habits as not unwelcome.

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Yes, that is another way of looking at this change in output, for sure. Although Orijen is one of the better grain-free dry diets with good quality proteins, and so no garbage ingredients. I am all for getting of dry kibble but its just best to do this gradually.

Marc999 said:

 
Hmm, alright - that's poop ('er food) for thought.   Always nice to hear 2 sides of the coin, or a story one can relate to. Yes Andrya, he's not struggling, nor change in appetite. His behaviour is normal, borderline even sassy when he thwaps the back of my pant leg for fun. 

Are you proposing I eat the Orijen cat food? Yum!!!   

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Be sure to post a review when you're done 

oneandahalfcats said:

 
Yes, that is another way of looking at this change in output, for sure. Although Orijen is one of the better grain-free dry diets with good quality proteins, and so no garbage ingredients. I am all for getting of dry kibble but its just best to do this gradually.

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Good advice, slow is good   

- Done, needs ketchup or hot sauce. 

... and soon, a backhoe!