What does your menu look like?

[ldg]

You know, since I now buy most of the meat locally, "meat cutting" days have gotten a LOT easier! It takes like no time to bag up their meals now. :nod: (Of course, I bag up the total for a meal for 8 cats - and make the individual portions at meal time). The ONLY PIA is goat and rabbit - those are the only ones I cut off the bone now. I otherwise buy boneless - and have the buying stuff on sale down to a science (almost). :lol3:

 

[emilymaywilcha]

What is PIA?

I am on the fence about whether ground bone is a good idea or not, but will save that topic for another thread.

 

[ldg]

PIA = Pain in the Ass

 

[ldg]

As to the bones, we discuss that here: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/246213/what-calcium-to-phosphorus-ratio-do-you-aim-for-in-your-raw-diet and here: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/241582/boneless-frankerprey-anyone-does-this

 

[feralvr]

PIA = Pain in the Ass

PsIMA .......

OK I found the video. It is a Bengal breeder in Texas. Go to Mark's video on his site. HOLY S&&& I couldn't believe the mess he made and I was just cracking up. Raw meat all over the kitchen...... Never saw anything like it before. He makes up HUGE batches :shocker: http://pictures-of-cats.org/raw-food-diet.html#Mark_prepares_his_batch

 

[emilymaywilcha]

I could not believe he had a lot of chickens and turkeys, but the final product looks like meatloaf.

 

[carolina]

PsIMA .......
OK I found the video. It is a Bengal breeder in Texas. Go to Mark's video on his site. HOLY S&&& I couldn't believe the mess he made and I was just cracking up. Raw meat all over the kitchen...... Never saw anything like it before. He makes up HUGE batches :shocker: http://pictures-of-cats.org/raw-food-diet.html#Mark_prepares_his_batch

Here I am freaking out washing my hands every time I cut/before and after preparing meat, cutting the meat and putting every small batch in the fridge to keep it cold as I cut...... And this guy just sticks his arms all the way to his armpits in the bucket
Rinsing meat? I think he would laugh at my face OMG! One thing is for sure..... If his cats don't get sick..... I hope to heck mine don't :lol3:
Oh, and did you notice that after all this mess he was wearing gloves for packing? I was ckacking up about that one :lol3:

 

[feralvr]

I could not believe he had a lot of chickens and turkeys, but the final product looks like meatloaf. :scratch:

Well, he used that grinder so it really is like meatloaf! That is what commercially raw ground meat looks like too - meatloaf. :nod:

 

[feralvr]

Here I am freaking out washing my hands every time I cut/before and after preparing meat, cutting the meat and putting every small batch in the fridge to keep it cold as I cut...... And this guy just sticks his arms all the way to his armpits in the bucket
Rinsing meat? I think he would laugh at my face OMG! One thing is for sure..... If his cats don't get sick..... I hope to heck mine don't :lol3:
Oh, and did you notice that after all this mess he was wearing gloves for packing? I was ckacking up about that one :lol3:

I KNOW!!!!!!!! I do the same thing and I only prepare about one or two chubs per day and quickly re-freeze the packaged/weighed bags. I watched it again last night and was practically busting a gut. The guy is absolutely nuts and seems to have no concern for being sanitary with the raw meat I thought he was going to dive in the bucket to mix it all up. Seriously, IF his cats don't get sick, yeah, you are right we have NOTHING to worry about. OH and yeah - the gloves for packing :scratch: It was like watching Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I thought you would get a real kick out of that!!!!!

OH and did you see the first video when he takes the chicken onto his deck? He plops it on the "dirty" cutting board out there, chops away throws it to the cats, and the deck floor looks like e-coli and salmonella breeding ground, AND he is in his bare feet. OMG I couldn't believe it - :shocker: Ya think we worry too much :scratch:

 

[ldg]

Gary couldn't watch it. :lol3:

 

[ldg]

Well, he used that grinder so it really is like meatloaf! That is what commercially raw ground meat looks like too - meatloaf. :nod:

:nod: Ground raw looks exactly like uncooked meatloaf. :nod: The commercial stuff is then formed into patties - looks like uncooked shaped hamburgers.

 

[feralvr]

Gary couldn't watch it. :lol3:

Are you kidding me!!!!!!!! Well, I don't blame him - it WAS.... IS pretty scary. That guy is one crazy cat dude. I want to know how he cleaned up after all of that, OR if he even did

 

[emilymaywilcha]

Someone explain to me how it is possible to do that and not make cats sick. Fear of illness is one reason I decided not to go the frankenprey route.

 

[ldg]

Actually, it just kind of proves the claims that cats' digestive systems can handle it. OR our food chain is a lot safer than we think!

 

[emilymaywilcha]

Actually, it just kind of proves the claims that cats' digestive systems can handle it. OR our food chain is a lot safer than we think!

Most likely the former. If the human food chain was safe in any way, there would be no such thing as food poisoning.

 

[Willowy]

Food poisoning is more common in cooked foods. . .

But after seeing a farm dog toddle out to the ditch every day for a month to gnaw on a rotting dead deer, with no ill effects, I don't worry about what the animals eat :lol3:.

 

[emilymaywilcha]

Food poisoning is more common in cooked foods. . .
But after seeing a farm dog toddle out to the ditch every day for a month to gnaw on a rotting dead deer, with no ill effects, I don't worry about what the animals eat.

That does not make any sense. If cooking meat kills harmful bacteria, how can there be food poisoning from it?

Of course, there are other reasons I am reluctant to make the switch, including fear I will mess up and my cat will be malnourished.

 

[Willowy]

Bacteria like warmth. So cooked food, once it's cooled to a temp that bacteria can grow in, they will grow in it, fast. Unless the food is cooled quickly to a temperature bacteria don't like, the bacteria will go wild in warm food. Plus handling by people who are sick--that's a major cause, too. Anyway, there are a zillion causes of food poisoning.

Although I certainly don't think humans should eat raw chicken. . .I saw an episode of Wife Swap, and the nutty lady on it ate everything raw, even chicken. She normally lived on a farm and the raw chicken she ate was fresh chicken she slaughtered herself, which is one thing. But when she went to the other house, she ate raw chicken she bought at the store! Which I think was a bad idea. But she's not dead yet :tongue2:.

How do we feed ourselves without dying from malnutrition? :dk: I dunno, I think we might overthink that aspect of feeding pets. Somehow they made it thousands of years without eating kibbles/canned food.

 

[emilymaywilcha]

I never said anything about a cat dying of malnutrition. The problem is having a miserable cat and high vet bills.

 

[Willowy]

How do most people feed themselves to avoid being miserable and having high doctor bills? A human's dietary needs are more complicated than a cat's. But most of us manage not to suffer from malnutrition.

I'm sure there's a way to do a raw diet wrong and make your pet sick. But there's probably a lot more illness caused by store-brand kibble. Which is supposedly "complete and balanced". And most of time when you hear about a raw diet gone wrong, it's because the person didn't use common sense. If there's no calcium in the diet, if the diet is all liver, if there's no variety in the diet. . .those should be red flags to anyone with common sense. But then those are probably the people who would otherwise feed store-brand kibble, maybe :dk:.