Munchie's Many Issues

[cprcheetah]

So Munchie was 14.6# this morning.  Is that too fast?  He was 15.2# a week ago.  Do I need to increase his amount fed?  I can really tell he is doing great as he laid on my chest last night and I didn't feel like there was an elephant on there LOL.  He was a little bit TOO happy in bed though, holy cow he is feeling great.  Loving, sweet, purring, rubbing on me, jumping in bed with ease.  I really think that everything in conjunction is helping him feel better.  I am a very happy mama.

 

[peaches08]

Great to hear that he's feeling so much better! I think you'll like the adequan.

As far as weight, could any of it be fluid? I ask since that's how we monitor cardiac patients (weight).

 

[cprcheetah]

Great to hear that he's feeling so much better! I think you'll like the adequan.

As far as weight, could any of it be fluid? I ask since that's how we monitor cardiac patients (weight).

It's possible, didnt' think about it but it could very well be the crap we flushed out of his nose, he literally had so much of it lol.  He isn't on a diuretic since Monday as the specialist felt the fluid was related to his nose, not the heart.    I have been doing the weekly adequan on DeeJay, not sure if I can see a difference or not, but we'll keep going with it. 

 

[cprcheetah]

If any one is interested in the microlactin.  Swanson's has the powder on sale right now, I am getting a jar that will last both of my cats 140 days for $14.78 including shipping.  If you just have 1 cat it will last 280 days.  https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-microlactin-powder-4-9-oz-140-grams-pwdr   I am going to give each cat 1/8th teaspoon twice a day which is about 250mg twice a day.  The Duralactin (which is the pet brand of Microlactin) capsules and the paste have about 200mg per serving.  They recommend 1 capsule twice day for cats under 10# and 1 capsule in am and 2 in pm for cats over 10# so I figure that is about the right dose.

This is human information but I like how it explains it: 

 How does it work?
Though the mechanism of its anti-inflammatory activities is not fully known, researchers have shown that neutrophil and lymphocytes are affected. The secondary, neutrophil-mediated phase of carrageenan-induced inflammatory response is suppressed and neutrohphil emigration is inhibited. One study done by Ormrod, et al, showed that there was an increase in the amount of neutrophil and a decrease in the number of lymphocytes in circulation. The high concentration of anti-inflammatory agents found in MicroLactin may also block the mitogenic response of lymphocytes, as well as block the response of lymphocyte to foreign histocompatibility antigens. There are a number of patents with MicroLactin, including one, the Prevention and Treatment of rheumatoid arthritis, and two, the Method of Treating Inflammation, both done by Dr. Beck and team.

 I really think it is making a world of difference in Munchie after just one week.  I am excited to try it with DeeJay.  Now just to wait the 4-7 days for it to get here......I looked at every health food store in my town and they all gave me blank stares when I asked about it.  So that is why we are ordering it. 

 More that 16 clinical trials have been completed which indicate that MicroLactin is approximately 60 percent more effective than glucosamine in improving joint function. A 2002 clinical study published in Current Therapeutic Research yielded results which clearly showed MicroLactin's effectiveness in relieving stiffness, immobility and pain associated with arthritis.

 

[goholistic]

Great updates on Munchie! I'm so glad he's feeling better.

And thanks for the info on the Microlactin sale. I'm still debating it. I guess Munchie didn't have any allergic reactions to it then, huh? Since it is a milk protein based product.

Sebastian's blood work always showed elevated neutrophils, which is how I ended up finding Duralactin/Microlactin since it claims to help with overproduction of neutrophils. It's still on my list of "supplements to try"! 

I meant to ask...has your dad tried it for his cat with EGC, yet?

Should Duralaction/Microlactin be a new thread? Sorry. 

 

[cprcheetah]

 
Great updates on Munchie! I'm so glad he's feeling better.

And thanks for the info on the Microlactin sale. I'm still debating it. I guess Munchie didn't have any allergic reactions to it then, huh? Since it is a milk protein based product.

Sebastian's blood work always showed elevated neutrophils, which is how I ended up finding Duralactin/Microlactin since it claims to help with overproduction of neutrophils. It's still on my list of "supplements to try"! 

I meant to ask...has your dad tried it for his cat with EGC, yet?

Should Duralaction/Microlactin be a new thread? Sorry. 

No reactions to it as far as I can tell other than he is feeling REALLY REALLY good LOL.   My dad hasn't used it for his kitty yet, I told him about it again today and am sending him more information.  He is interested in it.  The Lysine has helped maybe 50%, so he still has the sores but not as bad as they were.

I will start a new Duralactin/Microlactin thread with the information if anyone is looking for it. 

 

[gcat]

Just read the thread/posts- so glad your Munchie is doing better 

 Gracie (our 10-year old cat) also has arthritis and we have been doing the Adequan injections at home (she will try to injure herself and chew out of her crate when she's in the car). She is visibly more spry and will run around with the younger cats. She now takes 0.3 mL once per month after six weeks of weekly dosing.

Positive vibes and best wishes for Munchie. 

 

[goholistic]

 
No reactions to it as far as I can tell other than he is feeling REALLY REALLY good LOL.

Great to hear! 

 

[cprcheetah]

Munchie continues to do well.  Even though we are out of the microlactin (supposed to be here Friday.....although it is literally in a city 30 minutes away and it's gonna take 2 days to get here wth?)  He was playing bitey face with Mini Dee earlier in the hall.  He doesn't play all that much so it was a welcome site.  He is still doing good on the raw although the past few meals I've had to mix in a little canned to get him to eat, not sure what's up with that.  He even came down the stairs yesterday when I went down to the freezer yesterday so his joints are feeling better.  His respiratory issues are pretty much non existent.  He is doing really well, we still haven't gotten the zithromycin yet, walmart had to order it in and not sure when it will be here.  He is going back to the vet tomorrow to get another Adequan shot, so we will see what the vet thinks.  I have been reading about some homeopathic remedies that have really helped cardiomyopathy cats, so will check with my holistic vet before taking that plunge.

 

[goholistic]

Good good! Yeh, that is stupid that the Microlactin is taking so long. You know, I've read about other people whose cats would all of sudden start rejecting the raw. I do wonder why they do this. 

 

[raintyger]

I read an article once that said often rejecting raw after initial acceptance can be due to lack of using different proteins - food boredom.

 

[gcat]

Glad to hear that everything’s okay. Wow- that’s way too long to be delivering it from such a relatively short distance. Seems like he’s getting more energy from all of those yummy supplements he’s eating.

Hopefully it’s the Adequan that’s helping those creaky joints and that it will continue to help.

I have heard of some natural remedies really helping with the cardiomyopathy issues- it is a big plunge though!

Lots of positive vibes, support, and hugs for you and Munchie.

 

 

[cprcheetah]

So we got the Microlactin today.  Got them both back on it, thankfully.  Munchie has taken a turn for the worse though I'm afraid with his stupid rhinitis/respiratory infection it is back with a vengeance.  I am a little irked as the vet I work for ordered me in some Zithromycin by injection about 10 days ago, here I was sitting wondering wth happened to it, turns out they have had it all along but paths got crossed and I didn't get it. 

  so who knows if he'd be this bad if we had it 10 days ago when he was still cleared out from his sinus flush.  He is retaining fluid again he's back up to 14.8#  EEEK!  So I am really really worried about him.  The plan is to put him back on the Lasix for a week or two and see how he does, then start him on the Zithromycin at the high dosage for 5 days (by injection in his butt, he's not gonna be happy with me), then every 3 days for 2-3 months.  I read that in some cases even that doesn't clear it up. 

  I feel so bad, he is having such a hard time breathing.  It's like it was overnight this happened.  I have a call into my holistic vet and she had to check with an associate about her treatment recommendations for this.  I may be taking him into her on Monday.  On another note once mixed up the injection is only good for 7 days in the fridge.....so we have to figure out somehow to open the injectable bottle so we can just mix it up per dose so it isn't as costly.  Gonna be fun to figure out. 

 

[cprcheetah]

Really?  I swear if I didn't have bad luck, I wouldn't have any luck at all.  Munchie just possibly broke his leg.  I had my hubby hold him so I could give him his Zitrhomycin shot and he jumped out of my hubby's arms before I could stop him and now won't put any pressure on his leg and is screaming.  I took him up to my dad and he didn't feel any broken bones but it could be, so back to work he goes tomorrow to have xrays if he's still holding it up.  It's his bad hip leg too

ETA:  Okay now he's putting pressure on it but still crying when he does.  He's had tramadol and buprenex tonight.

 

[goholistic]

OMG! I hope he didn't break his leg!  

  Maybe it's just a bad sprain. Poor Munchie. For now, would it help to confine him to a room where he can't jump on anything?

Also, I'm sorry he can't breathe again. When any of mine have a cold, I use a gentle sterile saline mist that I buy at the drug store. It's a controlled mist, not a spray, so it comes in an aerosol can with a small tip and has absolutely NO preservatives. It think it's intended for babies. The cats don't like when I mist something up their nose, but it helps later.

Lots of prayers and vibes for Munchie. 

 

[peaches08]

Geez I'm sorry about the leg. Maybe it just hurts instead of being broken.

The breathing, is he gurgly? If so, you may want an xray of the chest to see if fluid is building up. Lasix will fix that in a snap.

 

[scarlett 001]

What is the verdict about his leg?

Re the chronic respiratory - honestly, I've never really figured out how to do anything that will stabilize it for more than a week before it comes back just as usual. My gut feeling with my Murchie is that I could do all the sinus flushes or treatments or antibiotics in the world, and despite such things, that the stuffy nose will come back sooner than later. This is damaged nasal passages that for some reason just lead to chronic stuffiness no matter what one does. So I just manage it as best as I can with minimal success - and know in my heart that given he had this issue when I adopted him, not many people would have taken him - and despite his nose being stuffy most of his life, he is a happy little guy and is just adored and loved. So try not to get too disheartened, this has no easy fix.

 

[cprcheetah]

 
OMG! I hope he didn't break his leg!  

  Maybe it's just a bad sprain. Poor Munchie. For now, would it help to confine him to a room where he can't jump on anything?

Also, I'm sorry he can't breathe again. When any of mine have a cold, I use a gentle sterile saline mist that I buy at the drug store. It's a controlled mist, not a spray, so it comes in an aerosol can with a small tip and has absolutely NO preservatives. It think it's intended for babies. The cats don't like when I mist something up their nose, but it helps later.

Lots of prayers and vibes for Munchie. 

Thank you for the hint about the spray.  I am using one that spritzes and he hates it.  His leg isn't broken, xrays confirmed that just a bad spray, jar of his already severely arthritic leg.  He got a shot of morphin and is walking on it this afternoon, good enough he ran down the stairs to hide....he HATES going to the vet so it's pretty traumatic on him to have to have gone twice in 2 days.  He did get some buprenex for a few days once the morphine wears off

Geez I'm sorry about the leg. Maybe it just hurts instead of being broken.

The breathing, is he gurgly? If so, you may want an xray of the chest to see if fluid is building up. Lasix will fix that in a snap.

He is a little gurgly.  I talked to the vet and we are giving him lasix for a few days.  She could hear it in his lungs in his breathing.  Poor guy.

 
What is the verdict about his leg?

Re the chronic respiratory - honestly, I've never really figured out how to do anything that will stabilize it for more than a week before it comes back just as usual. My gut feeling with my Murchie is that I could do all the sinus flushes or treatments or antibiotics in the world, and despite such things, that the stuffy nose will come back sooner than later. This is damaged nasal passages that for some reason just lead to chronic stuffiness no matter what one does. So I just manage it as best as I can with minimal success - and know in my heart that given he had this issue when I adopted him, not many people would have taken him - and despite his nose being stuffy most of his life, he is a happy little guy and is just adored and loved. So try not to get too disheartened, this has no easy fix.

See above, no break but still painful.  Poor guy has been through so much lately.  Yeah unfortunately that is my verdict as well that this is never going to go away and he will always have it .  I am trying the zitrho regimen though as the specialist thinks it will help.  I am hoping my holistic vet comes up with something to help as I have read that some holistic treatments work when conventional treatments don't.  I will find out Monday what her ideas are.

 

[scarlett 001]

Poor little fellow. He has so much going on. All we can do is our best for these little guys, but I think that you and I have to accept that when it comes to our multiple problem kitties, we cannot really control things very well. Just do our best. But know that some things we might have to accept after we have done our best to help them.  

 

[peaches08]

Wait, is this an infection or fluid overload going on in his lungs?