Again, I want to restate, Khaleesi is too cute!!!
Pointed is a recessive gene - a pointed cat has inherited it from both parents, but both those parents could be black! And a seal-point is a genetically black cat. The pointed pattern is a form of partial albinoism. The colour only develops on the cooler areas, and the eyes stay blue. Some cats get quite a lot of colour as they age - I've seen a very dark Siamese seal-point stud - but they all start out white!However, I am pretty sure her mother was a Siamese since 2 of her siblings were obviously pointed and while I don't know much about genetics that would seem unlikely unless at least one parent was pointed? What is really odd is that besides the 2 pointed boys, all the other kittens were black or dark grey with NO longhairs in the bunch. To me this seems likely to have happened if the dad was genetically pure black. .
Oh, go on OrientalSlave... you know you want to.Err... Wanna hear about the white spotting gene?
No thanks, don't want any lockets hereErr... Wanna hear about the white spotting gene?
I get the feeling mum was simply a pointed cat. There seem to be quite a few pop up in moggie litters in the US, my feeling is those are her origins. She is a lovely cute kitten, but speaking as a slave to three Orientals and a Siamese, there is nothing about her (at least in the photos) that says 'Siamese cross'.I was reasonably convinced the mom is a siamese, and call it a gut feeling but I still feel like she was. I just think she was the very old type that had points but besides that look like a normal cat structure wise.<snip>.
Very true, I was telling OS earlier in the week as I dropped off an "Exotic" and payed the bill for an "Oriental"Do take what the vet and so on say with a big pinch of salt - most of them know zilch about pedigree breeds!
LOL a vet told me "Your Siamese look different from a lot of the Siamese we get in here!" And the Siamese I currently have are old style. I asked in what way different, wondering if she meant most the others were the modern type. But no, it sounds like she is just calling all pointed shorthair cats "Siamese".Do take what the vet and so on say with a big pinch of salt - most of them know zilch about pedigree breeds!
Thanks for sharing the pic of your dear old Tasha I can't totally see her that well to see things like body type, but it's a sweet photo of two good friends. (Is that you holding her?) When you say she looked like a regular cat -- the difference is not extreme, although I guess some of the first Siamese were apparently a noticeable contrast to the people who were used to seeing cats more along the lines of the British Shorthair ( though that breed also has become more exaggerated than the original cats , but in the opposite direction)Wow!
That is A LOT of information! I still don't think I get like half of it! It is appreciated though, and is amazing you guys know so much about this. I include a picture of our old cat Tasha, who is the Siamese I think of when I say "old style" or "Applehead". She has a shorter coat and had a more angular face than our mixes but overall looked like a pointed cat to me. However she had the Siamese meow and personality (literally she let me dress her in doll clothes when I was 11). She is elderly in this picture and her whiskerpads are grey.
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However, looking around and finding pictures I found this picture of several 'old fashioned' Siamese kittens and they look identical to what I am seeing from Khaleesi at this age as far as body and ears. Even down to the odd way the fur changes direction on the chest. She is a bit fuzzier though, her fur is not nearly as sleek but I think thats maybe just kitten fluff? I know her pictures don't show it well, but it is so hard to take a picture of a black cat that shows any kind of underlying structure when coupled with a cell phone cam, shady apt and rambunctious kitten. I just post it more to explain that I am not talking about the very oriental looking Siamese with thin legs and tubular body, but a middle ground between Tasha and that style.
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When you say she looks more narrow / finer than the pictures of typical 9 wk old kittens.... do you mean other pictures of "moggy" kittens? ( " domestic" / unknown ancestry.) ?When compared to the pictures of typical 9 week old kittens Leesi is more...well, narrow. Her chest is narrow, her legs more thin (not overall super thin but thinner than say Nekochan's adorable kittens legs) and her hips narrower. This is not changing, its been about a week since I started to notice her thinning out shape wise and while she has gained size and weight, she is getting noticeably narrower. She doesn't appear emaciated and the vet says she is healthy, so the changes appear more structural. However...her face, not Siamese in the LEAST! LOL! So cute but man, very very short almost dollface persian muzzle which is throwing me for a loop! No idea where she got that, but must have been her dad!
No, unfortunately I wasn't able to keep any of the kittens because the cat I owned at the time HATED other cats. I wanted to keep Nala (the lynx point) though... She was adopted by a friend/neighbor of mine, which is why I have photos of her as an adult...somewhere I also have cute photos of her when she was a "teenager", before her points darkened up so much like in the adult pic... That was a long time ago though when I rescued the kittens, my friend moved away since then and I haven't talked to them in quite a while now, and Nala would be an "old lady" now.@Nekochan, Love the little feral lynx point and Mc tabby babies. That red tabby just glows, the color is so bright. Do you still have the lynx point?