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The Nerve of Some People!!
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THey still have the cat, don't they? Only the small part is missing. The cat hasn't been shown and hasn't been used a stud either, so they don't even know his potential future earnings. How many stud cats are there anyway? Don't most people that have catteries use their own studs to prevent disease?
Personally, I agree they should have waited, if they really had him neutered after 2 days only. But if this had happened to my cat, I would have been greatful they had cared for my cat because the alternative could have been much worst.
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The dream isn't gone forever. They will just have to start over with another cat. Obviously this one is forever lost to breeding.
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Great point Elizwithcat.
*please note- this is not a threat, simply a statement to make a point.
And as I said, they hadn't *started* showing him yet, if you read for comprehension you'd come to the obvious conclusion that they did intend to show him and use him for stud when they were better equipped for that kind of commitment.
And to remind people, we aren't debating whether or not neutering a *stray or feral cat* is wrong, if I found a cat and nobody claimed it after a month, only then would I get it fixed. Before that point in time however, the cat IS NOT MINE and therefor I do not have the right to do anything that might alter it.
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It was a joke. Don't you have a sense of humor? Obviously I realize that despite being a small part, it's a pretty important part if the cat is intended for breeding.Originally Posted by RosieToes
Great point Elizwithcat.Just like claws are only a small part. Riiight.I guess we can all go declaw our cats with no guilt at all...after all, it's only a small part! I'll also be sure to keep that in mind if I ever come across *your* cats...I suppose it would not be out-of-line for me to get your loose cat declawed, because it could hurt someone else's cat, or get stuck in a tree...in fact, you should be grateful if it ever happens, since I will be saving you the time and effort of getting it done yourself!
*please note- this is not a threat, simply a statement to make a point.
And as I said, they hadn't *started* showing him yet, if you read for comprehension you'd come to the obvious conclusion that they did intend to show him and use him for stud when they were better equipped for that kind of commitment.
And to remind people, we aren't debating whether or not neutering a *stray or feral cat* is wrong, if I found a cat and nobody claimed it after a month, only then would I get it fixed. Before that point in time however, the cat IS NOT MINE and therefor I do not have the right to do anything that might alter it.
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Yes well I hate to be the one to have to spoon feed the obvious to you, but not all of us have money falling out of our ears and can just afford to go out "cat shopping" whenever one of our original cats gets accidentally neuteredOriginally Posted by elizwithcat
The dream isn't gone forever. They will just have to start over with another cat. Obviously this one is forever lost to breeding.
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pssst, here's a clue: people won't know you are joking unless you make it *sound* like you are joking! We aren't all psychic (well, at least I'm not) so you can't expect people to naturally know what you mean.
Slightly OT: It's nothing that's not available to any server and website. I can find the same stats on y'all through my webhosting site if I really wanted to go to the trouble. It's just pinging the results back to Aquiel's sig. Interesting actually, although I'm not sure what the point is.
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Yes well I hate to be the one to have to spoon feed the obvious to you, but not all of us have money falling out of our ears and can just afford to go out "cat shopping" whenever one of our original cats gets accidentally neutered
Originally Posted by RosieToes
Yes well I hate to be the one to have to spoon feed the obvious to you, but not all of us have money falling out of our ears and can just afford to go out "cat shopping" whenever one of our original cats gets accidentally neutered
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thanks, I try
1 I would not buy a pure bred. I would go to the local pound and see what I find. Personally, spending hundreds of dollars on a pet b/c it has "paper's" makes no sence to me. mix breeds tend to have less problems then pure breds, and live longer lives.
2 I alway spay and neuter my pets. It's healthier for them in the long run.
3. The cat most likely would not have escaped if it was neutered
I have to argue that, respectfully of course.
Properly bred purebreeds have less problems than moggies. Moggies don't benefit from hybrid vigor because they are not mixing species, only mixing breeds. In fact, moggies become susceptable to at least TWICE as many genetic problems as purebreds. A persian/abyssinian cross would not only be genetically predisposed to problems that commonly afflict persians, but ALSO problems that commonly afflict abyssinians. The difference is not as dramatic as it is in dogs, but it is there. Mind, I said PROPERLY bred purebreeds, meaning the genetic testing has been done, and the breeder has done their utmost to care for every need. Backyard breeders, in cats and dogs and any other kind of animal that you can think of, is where the real problem lies.
If no one bred purebreds any more, they would vanish. Forget asthetics, forget 'prestige' (which are both wrong reasons to buy a purebred anything...hundreds of years of selective breeding, of cultural history...down the tubes. Moggies would intermix until all cats looked exactly the same, a dusty brown tabby reminiscent of the Scottish wildcat. Same with dogs. They'd all breed into something that rather resembles a dingo. Purebreeders preserve heritage, culture, and in the case of dogs, functionality. The only breeding in this day and age that can be condoned is the RESPONSIBLE, TESTED, MONITORED, RECORDED breeding of purebred cats.
As for the cat most likely would not have escaped if it had been neutered, I have to wonder what you base that on? Cats are curious. I have six who're all fixed (save one, who is too young yet), and who have been indoor cats more or less their entire lives. If I were to leave for work and leave an unscreened window open, or the sliding door proped, or my front door wide...I would come home to no cats. They would leave, pure and simple. They may not go very FAR, but they would still leave. And be at risk for many possible, horrible fates.
My purebred bengal (my only purebred cat out of a lifetime of owning rescued moggies), is an F3 male, meaning he's 99% likely to be sterile. I still plan to fix him when he's old enough and I feel he's ready for it. If he got out by accident, and I found him two days later with a neighbor who, upon returning him, informed me that she'd had him nuetered, I'd be utterly furious.
NOT because he's a breeding cat, which he isn't (and couldn't be, even if I wanted to do that).
NOT because I had no intentions of not getting him fixed myself, being a responsible owner who cares about the health, temperment, and wellbeing of her pets.
But simply because it was in no way her right to make that choice and put my pet at risk. They don't know the animal's history. They don't know if they have problems handling anesthesia. They don't know its allergies. Or if it has any stress related ailments. They have no right or cause to do so, after two days.
If they had him a month and were actively seeking to find his home, I could forgive that (and probably be exceedingly grateful).
If he somehow found a feral colony and he was 'trapped, neutered, and released', I could most certainly forgive that.
But in these set of circumstances and in this particular scenario, they were utterly, totally, one hundred percent, completely out of line.
Period.
Properly bred purebreeds have less problems than moggies. Moggies don't benefit from hybrid vigor because they are not mixing species, only mixing breeds. In fact, moggies become susceptable to at least TWICE as many genetic problems as purebreds. A persian/abyssinian cross would not only be genetically predisposed to problems that commonly afflict persians, but ALSO problems that commonly afflict abyssinians. The difference is not as dramatic as it is in dogs, but it is there. Mind, I said PROPERLY bred purebreeds, meaning the genetic testing has been done, and the breeder has done their utmost to care for every need. Backyard breeders, in cats and dogs and any other kind of animal that you can think of, is where the real problem lies.
If no one bred purebreds any more, they would vanish. Forget asthetics, forget 'prestige' (which are both wrong reasons to buy a purebred anything...hundreds of years of selective breeding, of cultural history...down the tubes. Moggies would intermix until all cats looked exactly the same, a dusty brown tabby reminiscent of the Scottish wildcat. Same with dogs. They'd all breed into something that rather resembles a dingo. Purebreeders preserve heritage, culture, and in the case of dogs, functionality. The only breeding in this day and age that can be condoned is the RESPONSIBLE, TESTED, MONITORED, RECORDED breeding of purebred cats.
As for the cat most likely would not have escaped if it had been neutered, I have to wonder what you base that on? Cats are curious. I have six who're all fixed (save one, who is too young yet), and who have been indoor cats more or less their entire lives. If I were to leave for work and leave an unscreened window open, or the sliding door proped, or my front door wide...I would come home to no cats. They would leave, pure and simple. They may not go very FAR, but they would still leave. And be at risk for many possible, horrible fates.
My purebred bengal (my only purebred cat out of a lifetime of owning rescued moggies), is an F3 male, meaning he's 99% likely to be sterile. I still plan to fix him when he's old enough and I feel he's ready for it. If he got out by accident, and I found him two days later with a neighbor who, upon returning him, informed me that she'd had him nuetered, I'd be utterly furious.
NOT because he's a breeding cat, which he isn't (and couldn't be, even if I wanted to do that).
NOT because I had no intentions of not getting him fixed myself, being a responsible owner who cares about the health, temperment, and wellbeing of her pets.
But simply because it was in no way her right to make that choice and put my pet at risk. They don't know the animal's history. They don't know if they have problems handling anesthesia. They don't know its allergies. Or if it has any stress related ailments. They have no right or cause to do so, after two days.
If they had him a month and were actively seeking to find his home, I could forgive that (and probably be exceedingly grateful).
If he somehow found a feral colony and he was 'trapped, neutered, and released', I could most certainly forgive that.
But in these set of circumstances and in this particular scenario, they were utterly, totally, one hundred percent, completely out of line.
Period.
Meh. If the cat is such a valuable asset then they should have looked after it more carefully. A cattery with 24 hour care is more secure than a house with a kid visiting twice a day. the cat is Ok, not spraying and less susceptible to diseases. All good things. If they still want to breed cats they can skip next years vacation and buy another cat.
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Establishing a cattery takes a lot of money. I am pretty sure all the responcible breeders would tell you that. If you don't have any money, then you shouldn't start a cattery.Originally Posted by RosieToes
Yes well I hate to be the one to have to spoon feed the obvious to you, but not all of us have money falling out of our ears and can just afford to go out "cat shopping" whenever one of our original cats gets accidentally neutered
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I tend to agree. I got pure bred persian cats because I like the way they look. But health wise one of them had been a horrible thing, always sick. I don't think they are just as robust as mixed breed cats. Of course you can get a very sick mixed breed cat as well, but probably more likely to get a sickly pure bred. At least the other one has been good so far. They are very nice cats, and they don't have a lot of energy, which I like, because I don't want my cat bouncing off the walls.
But for my next kitty, I am getting the mixiest one I can find, lol.
1. You aren't them... they wanted a pure bred, and wanted to breed.
2. They wanted to breed him, so they didn't!
3. Are you meaning to tell me that it was THEIR fault that a theif broke into their house, and their PRIZE cat escaped because he wasn't NEUTERED!?? Please! Neutered or not the cat would've seen it and run out!
Yes to that. Melichus was neutered, unbeknownst to us the back door had not quite latched; it looked closed but wasn't. We put in a video to watch and it wasn't until sometime after it was over we realized that we hadn't seen Mel in a while. A search of the trailer (this was many years ago) revealed no Mel and an open door. Fortunately he didn't go far as I believe all that open sky above rather freaked him out so that he went under the trailer and apparently stayed there. That little escapade resulted in an ear mite infestation, an aural haemotoma and ultimately a partially crumpled ear.
A de-sexed cat is almost as likely to explore an open door or window as an entire one just to "see what's on the other side." There's just something about an open door that they've just got to go through. One that doesn't is more the exception rather than the rule.
She said "what would you do in this situation" so I answered honestly. I don't know why you have a problem with it.
addressing you comments in number 3, I never said anything about it being anyone's fault. all I said was that neutered cats tend not to stray, like un altered cats tend to do.
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