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Emergency! Sick kitten! Cannot see a Vet!
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You really must find kitten chow and wet cat food. Your kitten needs some solids in order to gain weight. The food may be softened, such as moistened kibble, or mashed up, such as mashed up scrambled eggs, but she needs some solids in her system to flourish. I wrote this in Post #31. She cannot live on soup and honey milk alone. Please check the shops today while they are open. Does she have baby teeth?
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Thanks, this is what I thought. Yes, the label. In NC it's not legal to sell raw milk, so far as I know, hence the label. I would assume raw milk, which is what baby animals drink from mama, would be better as long as it was collected properly in clean containers. I drank some of this "Not For Human Consumption" milk myself. I didn't die. It was actually much better tasting than pasteurized milk. Basically it's a probiotic which I think all humans and animals need. We are far too obsessed with destroying bacteria here in the US, pathologically so.
yes, unpasteurized full fat cow milk is surely safer than the processed pasteurized. If you cant get goat milk or good kmr, but do have access to unpasteurized full cow milk, it may work. One of our family friends once saved a kitten by feeding it unpasteruzed cow milk. they live in a very rural area, with neigbours whom are farmers and peasants, so they had this access.
Although Im not sure its JUST question of lactose. Its probably question about the proteins too. Because the lactose level in goats milk isnt that low, its almost as high as in cow milk. And yet, no cats and very few humans has problems with goats milk, but lotsa cats and humans has problems with cow milk...
Also, fat reduced cow milk is even worse than full fat cow milk, because the pitiful rests of lactase they are in the fat... Not even mentioning cats do need the nourishment of full fat.
I once had my eyes on an article mentioning some especial protein, which is present in most modern, high producing cow breeds, but is not in cows of the old type, and even not in some of the modern cow breeds either. And that protein could cause problems It may be so its this protein which is the problem for cats.
I dont have access to this article and memory isnt what it was when I was twentish.
Btw, nice label with the "Not for human usage". I mean, very few are giving it to their cats. It bought for humans and their usage. But the law doesnt allows it, so its a nice way to get around the obstacle.
Jenny, do you have real experience / other knowledge of sheeps milk? It does works for kittens?
I remember once upon a time it was you whom opened my eyes goats milk is OK and even good.
Do you have a blender or food processor/food mill? If so, run the chicken through that to make a paste so she can't spit out the pieces.
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Sorry I didn't update last night, I was trying to catch up on some sleep!
Well Sparrow has settled in really well, I think. She is sleeping a lot more comfortably now. I've noticed that whenever she cries she demands food, and when she isn't eating, she'll be asleep in her bed. She wants feeding roughly every hour or so. Last night, however, she slept all night. I'm going to wait until she wakes up before I give her anything else, and if she doesn't wake up within an hour I suppose I'll wake her up myself to give her some food.
I also gave her some liver! She seemed to like it a little better than normal chicken, but again she just nibbled at it, nothing more. Also, I'm not sure if she's weaned or not? She would eat little pieces at the factory?
Is there anyway I could make her some sort of homemade kitten chow just in case the shops aren't stocked with kitten kibble? I don't want to have to wait off on giving her solids anymore.
Also, she's drinking by herself now! We leave the honey milk on the floor in a bowl for her and she drinks at least half a bowl and licks her lips very happily. She walks around for a little after that and mewls at us and catches our feet etc. Slowly, she's starting to become a kitten!
Also roughly how many cc's should I aim at feeding her every day? She lets me give her abour 6-7 droppers full of food before she starts resisting and goes to sleep.
Also! She did a poop last night as well. It was very large but it was firm and I couldn't be happier! No signs of worms either. She went crazy trying to clean it up though omg she's so smol
Well Sparrow has settled in really well, I think. She is sleeping a lot more comfortably now. I've noticed that whenever she cries she demands food, and when she isn't eating, she'll be asleep in her bed. She wants feeding roughly every hour or so. Last night, however, she slept all night. I'm going to wait until she wakes up before I give her anything else, and if she doesn't wake up within an hour I suppose I'll wake her up myself to give her some food.
I also gave her some liver! She seemed to like it a little better than normal chicken, but again she just nibbled at it, nothing more. Also, I'm not sure if she's weaned or not? She would eat little pieces at the factory?
Is there anyway I could make her some sort of homemade kitten chow just in case the shops aren't stocked with kitten kibble? I don't want to have to wait off on giving her solids anymore.
Also, she's drinking by herself now! We leave the honey milk on the floor in a bowl for her and she drinks at least half a bowl and licks her lips very happily. She walks around for a little after that and mewls at us and catches our feet etc. Slowly, she's starting to become a kitten!
Also roughly how many cc's should I aim at feeding her every day? She lets me give her abour 6-7 droppers full of food before she starts resisting and goes to sleep.
Also! She did a poop last night as well. It was very large but it was firm and I couldn't be happier! No signs of worms either. She went crazy trying to clean it up though omg she's so smol
When are you planning to check the shops for kitten chow and wet cat food? She needs them asap. I'm not sure I understand the holdup. I'm glad she seems to be holding her own though.
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It's not a matter of how much milk she should have each day. She quite literally needs as much as she can eat. Kitten chow is best for this.
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Well it's 5am over here and shops normally open around about 10am (they open REALLY late, i'm not sure why??). My mum tried yesterday and but the shops were closed, she's going to try again today though. I was just wondering if there was any chow-type stuff I could make her at home? Like a gruel or something? The cat-food over here also isn't very healthy (it's a brand called MeOw which is full of fillers and that's the only commonly available brand over her) so would it still be safe to give her it? Or should I make her some homemade gruel? Also how should I go about weaning? Will she just start eating the gruel as soon as I put it there? She likes to sniff at chicken and liver but as of yet she hasn't eaten a large amount of it.
Oh and she also has teeth, yes! They're very small and needle like. Also one side has a tooth that's just a little bit smaller than the otherside. Could she still be teething?
Oh and she also has teeth, yes! They're very small and needle like. Also one side has a tooth that's just a little bit smaller than the otherside. Could she still be teething?
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Also I think she's warming up to me :-) She was purring as I was stroking her just now!!!!
I think we've mentioned all the things that are readily available to you: chicken, eggs, liver, goat's milk, yogurt. Perhaps your mom can check some of the bigger shops, or can you order online?
I'm so glad she seems to be getting attached to you! That's wonderful! [emoji]128522[/emoji]
I'm so glad she seems to be getting attached to you! That's wonderful! [emoji]128522[/emoji]
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Okay so hopefully I'm over-worrying but I can se a teensie bit of her third-eyelid, maybe about a millimetre or two? It isn't visible all the time, only when she's getting ready to nap. Is this something to worry about? Also one of her ears is a lot worse than the other one, it's full of gunk and she yells a little whenever I go to clean it. The other one is fine, and the gunk hasn't come back as of yet! I cleaned them again with the coconut oil just to be sure, though
Also, when I'm cleaning her ears she'll tilt her head to the side and move kind of slowly is this normal? I'm not too sure how to describe it. Also one of her ear lies flat to the side after I clean it. It goes back to normal after a few hours, though.
Another thing, would raw eggs give her the runs? Or salmonella? How would I go about incorporating everything I have into kitten gruel. I don't trust the cat food over here as I lost two kittens from my school when we fed them the brand :-( I'll list the ingredients below though. The first few are fillers and then there's hardly any proper meat at all! This is the only brand over here, there is also royal canin but that's too expensive for us :-( We also can't order online because not a lot of websites deliver to pakistan and Mum finds online shopping 'fishy'.
Chicken By-product Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Soybean Meal, Beef Tallow (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Ocean Fish Meal, Animal Digest, Salmon Meal, Turkey By-product Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Phosphoric Acid, Choline Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Source of Vitamin B1), Riboflavin Supplement (Source Of Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of Vitamin B6), Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement], Taurine, Minerals [Ferrous Sulfate (Source of Iron), Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite], L-Lysine, Red 40, Dl-Methionine, Yellow 5, Blue 2, Rosemary Extract.
Would this cat food still be alright to feed her?
I was thinking about making her homemade gruel like mixing together some ingredients and feeding them to her or encouraging her to lap at it. She seems to really love honey so would it be alright to put some honey in the gruel too? I'm considering making the gruel up from this:
1/2 cup milk
5/6 tbsp yogurt
a little drizzle of honey
2 egg yolk (maybe boiled?? or fried?? I'm a little scared of salmonella poisoning and I'm not sure if it's a problem over here or not!)
1 chicken liver
2 chicken wings (deboned)
I'll put all of that into a blender until it's a gruel consistency. Hopefully she'll lap it up if I leave it out for her! Would this be an okay diet for her until she's used to solids? Should I add/remove anything? According to my cousin she used to eat solids previously, but only very tiny bits. Could this problem be because she wasn't weaned with the gruel when she was younger?
Also, when I'm cleaning her ears she'll tilt her head to the side and move kind of slowly is this normal? I'm not too sure how to describe it. Also one of her ear lies flat to the side after I clean it. It goes back to normal after a few hours, though.
Another thing, would raw eggs give her the runs? Or salmonella? How would I go about incorporating everything I have into kitten gruel. I don't trust the cat food over here as I lost two kittens from my school when we fed them the brand :-( I'll list the ingredients below though. The first few are fillers and then there's hardly any proper meat at all! This is the only brand over here, there is also royal canin but that's too expensive for us :-( We also can't order online because not a lot of websites deliver to pakistan and Mum finds online shopping 'fishy'.
Chicken By-product Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Soybean Meal, Beef Tallow (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols), Ocean Fish Meal, Animal Digest, Salmon Meal, Turkey By-product Meal, Calcium Carbonate, Phosphoric Acid, Choline Chloride, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins [Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate (Source of Vitamin B1), Riboflavin Supplement (Source Of Vitamin B2), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Source of Vitamin B6), Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement], Taurine, Minerals [Ferrous Sulfate (Source of Iron), Zinc Oxide, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite], L-Lysine, Red 40, Dl-Methionine, Yellow 5, Blue 2, Rosemary Extract.
Would this cat food still be alright to feed her?
I was thinking about making her homemade gruel like mixing together some ingredients and feeding them to her or encouraging her to lap at it. She seems to really love honey so would it be alright to put some honey in the gruel too? I'm considering making the gruel up from this:
1/2 cup milk
5/6 tbsp yogurt
a little drizzle of honey
2 egg yolk (maybe boiled?? or fried?? I'm a little scared of salmonella poisoning and I'm not sure if it's a problem over here or not!)
1 chicken liver
2 chicken wings (deboned)
I'll put all of that into a blender until it's a gruel consistency. Hopefully she'll lap it up if I leave it out for her! Would this be an okay diet for her until she's used to solids? Should I add/remove anything? According to my cousin she used to eat solids previously, but only very tiny bits. Could this problem be because she wasn't weaned with the gruel when she was younger?
She really, really needs the Royal Canin. It is an excellent brand.
Can you post a close-up picture of her ears? It sounds like she needs medicine for her ears. Is there a university vet hospital near you where you can see a proper vet?
Do not use raw eggs. Boil them and mash them up.
Can you get goat's milk?
Can you post a close-up picture of her ears? It sounds like she needs medicine for her ears. Is there a university vet hospital near you where you can see a proper vet?
Do not use raw eggs. Boil them and mash them up.
Can you get goat's milk?
Yeah, I wrote earlier I strongly suspect she wasnt weaned. The owner didnt gave them food, so they lived off their momma. and momma scavenged of course, so she managed. But its perhaps a part of Sparrow being undernourished. Momma had too little, so Sparrow had also too little.
A free living momma whom is decent hunter learns her kittens to eat. But if she wasnt free living but owned, or was a bad hunter...
HOW much depends on the weigh. its 8ml/oz a day. Lets say, at 10 weeks she is one kilo - 2 pounds. Gives roughly 30 oz (or somewhat more). 30x8 gives the equivalent of 240-250 ml a day. Say you give 10x a day, every second hour, and sleep four hour during the night. Gives about 25ml per time.
With every 4 hour - gives 50 ml each...
roughly there.
So this is another reason to try an learn her to eat herself...
If you cant, try to learn her to use a bottle. Its a lot easier than a dropper.
The third eyelid is not an eye disease, but a sign there is an infections in the body. sometimes its just worms. Here it may be some sort of ear infection.
So for example, the oil remedy against mites works on easier infections, but is not always enough. I strongly suspect she has it still, and you will need more potent remedy.
Try with that oil cure again while you wait for time with your vet, or get a good medicine. But be prepared you will need more.
That brand you tell about isnt not first rate. Too much gluten and cereals.
If you suspect there is salomonella in eggs, dont give her raw egg yolk, boil it up, and mix up. Boiled, you can give both the yolk and the white.
Although if you anyways wanna try, so wash off the outside in hot water, say, pour boiling water with some soap over the eggs. After it again with just hot water. And open up carefully so the shell dont contaminate the yolk...
Train on some eggs so you are sure you can crack and open the egg without mistakes.
This wont help if the salomonella is inside the egg, but it will help if its outside on the shell - which is the most common.
But if you want to play it safe, give her just the boiled / scrambled eggs.
It sounds as though she is making good progress overall, and you are slowly dealing withthe problems. I agree that that catfood does not sound good at all, and if you get it for her you will need to add other things to give her what she needs to grow, I would continue to give her egg (never feed raw egg whites in any circumstances) , a little liver, minced chicken and the yohhurt and buffalo or goat milk.
The only thing about the cat food is that it does contain taurine and other vitamins that are very difficult to provide with a home-made diet. People here who prefer to to feed their cats cats with home-made oft buy these vitamins separately, but I am sure you can't do that. It is essential that cats have these supplements and they get them in the wild by eating the inside organs of birds and small animals. So you might consider giving her small amounts of catfood to provide her witheverything she needs. But if you notice that she is getting an upset stomach or constipated then I would stop.
Keep on cleaning the ears - it is the only thing to do.
You are so determined to get this kitten healthy that I am sure you will succeed.
The only thing about the cat food is that it does contain taurine and other vitamins that are very difficult to provide with a home-made diet. People here who prefer to to feed their cats cats with home-made oft buy these vitamins separately, but I am sure you can't do that. It is essential that cats have these supplements and they get them in the wild by eating the inside organs of birds and small animals. So you might consider giving her small amounts of catfood to provide her witheverything she needs. But if you notice that she is getting an upset stomach or constipated then I would stop.
Keep on cleaning the ears - it is the only thing to do.
You are so determined to get this kitten healthy that I am sure you will succeed.
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Well mum got the cat-food, it's not the brand that I said above she managed to find another one? It's called Kitty-Kat and it's made in thailand. It's tuna and shrimp flavour so I'm guessing it'll be nice and smelly for her! Would it be possible to soak it in water/milk and blend it so it forms a gruel? Won't the kibble get stuck to the bottom of the blender blade?
I haven't fed her it yet though, she's still asleep after her last meal, so I'll give her some more food when she gets up! Oh and she also did another poop, again it was firm and there were two of them! She did a little pee too, lmao, I've never been this happy to see a cat use the litterbox since Butty was sick!
Ye I know about taurine since my cats are on a raw and semi-cooked diet. It's very easy to get organs over here because the chicken is slaughtered right in front of you (a it gruesome but at least you know the animal is being treated alright and doesn't die due to a disease or something). You can also choose between 'desi', which are essentially free-range and VERY lean, or broilers which aren't as lean but they suffice. We get all their organs for free, we just have to pay for the actual chicken meat.
Mum thinks that mixing everything in the gruel will be a little hard on her tummy so we're just rotating what we feed her, will this be alright? Or should we mix it all up to form the gruel? She also seems to like anything that we put honey in! She sure has got a sweet tooth!
Her ears are also looking much better! One is still a little dirty but the otherone has ALMOST cleaned up altogether (there's a little bit of dirt that I can see but I'm waiting for it to 'rise up' when she shakes her head. I was going to clean it out w/ a q-tip but I was scared I'd just push it in deeper :/) Also it is mites she has! I saw little moving specks in her ears when I last checked them.
I haven't fed her it yet though, she's still asleep after her last meal, so I'll give her some more food when she gets up! Oh and she also did another poop, again it was firm and there were two of them! She did a little pee too, lmao, I've never been this happy to see a cat use the litterbox since Butty was sick!
Ye I know about taurine since my cats are on a raw and semi-cooked diet. It's very easy to get organs over here because the chicken is slaughtered right in front of you (a it gruesome but at least you know the animal is being treated alright and doesn't die due to a disease or something). You can also choose between 'desi', which are essentially free-range and VERY lean, or broilers which aren't as lean but they suffice. We get all their organs for free, we just have to pay for the actual chicken meat.
Mum thinks that mixing everything in the gruel will be a little hard on her tummy so we're just rotating what we feed her, will this be alright? Or should we mix it all up to form the gruel? She also seems to like anything that we put honey in! She sure has got a sweet tooth!
Her ears are also looking much better! One is still a little dirty but the otherone has ALMOST cleaned up altogether (there's a little bit of dirt that I can see but I'm waiting for it to 'rise up' when she shakes her head. I was going to clean it out w/ a q-tip but I was scared I'd just push it in deeper :/) Also it is mites she has! I saw little moving specks in her ears when I last checked them.
You could try her with the kibble, and see if she will eat it, but most kittens prefer wet. So you can soak it, probably not needing to blend it. That way she will get more moisture too, always a good thing. Most dry food has a lot of filler in too, to bind it together, so keep giving her the fresh food as well.
You are right not to use q-tips on the ears - they can be dangerous. If you have cotton wool, make rolls of it and use that to clean as deep inside as you can with the oil.
You are right not to use q-tips on the ears - they can be dangerous. If you have cotton wool, make rolls of it and use that to clean as deep inside as you can with the oil.
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I can't wait till she wakes up so I can give her the kibble! I really hope she eats it on her own!
Another thing, she sleeps quite a lot. She looks very comfortable when she's sleeping, though she wasn't sleeping the day she got here. Is this a sign of improvement? She'll stretch her paws out and start purring if you touch her while she's asleep, too! Should I wake her up every 2-3 hours to feed her or should I just feed her when she wakes up? She tells me when she's hungry by mewling at me, as well.
Another thing, she sleeps quite a lot. She looks very comfortable when she's sleeping, though she wasn't sleeping the day she got here. Is this a sign of improvement? She'll stretch her paws out and start purring if you touch her while she's asleep, too! Should I wake her up every 2-3 hours to feed her or should I just feed her when she wakes up? She tells me when she's hungry by mewling at me, as well.
The emaciated ones do sleep a lot, its part of retaking their strengh. but yes, getting her to move at least a little is good. You can also do some massage now and then, its both nice, and keeps her tendons and muscles in shape.
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Okay I'll let her sleep as much as she wants to then!
Also, she is still refusing to eat solids! Whenever a little piece of chicken goes into her mouth from the soup she'll start twisting her tongue around in her mouth to try and get it out :-( Will she eventually get the hang of eating solids or? She still isn't playing yet but he loves to climb up and sit on my shoulder and purr! She's very lovey-dovey!
Also, she is still refusing to eat solids! Whenever a little piece of chicken goes into her mouth from the soup she'll start twisting her tongue around in her mouth to try and get it out :-( Will she eventually get the hang of eating solids or? She still isn't playing yet but he loves to climb up and sit on my shoulder and purr! She's very lovey-dovey!
