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Long story short, i rescued a kitten when she was 5 weeks old and very sick with FHV and\or FCV on top of being heavily infested with round worms. For her flu, which lasted a whole month, she has had 2 shots of antibiotics, steam therapy, and Vyralis (lysine). She is still on 250mg twice daily of Vyralis. I give her quality canned food and quality kibble on the side for snacks.
She turned 3 months old this week.
She was feeling a lot better last month so she has received her first set of basic shots. 3 days later, she started having flu symtoms again. Energy level and appetite reduced to 50% of her usual. She still had enough food in her, with my help.
IT'S BEEN 3 WEEKS now, and she is not getting better.
The vet saw her for free last week, she weighed 3lbs, did not have pneumonia, and seemed ok besides the noises coming from her nose and slight loss of energy and appetite. No eye discharge, no sores, no fever. She ate alright enough.
Thing is, she doesnt sneeze very often, and when she does, nothing comes out. I dont even see discharge. Just pig like sounds and snoring. Once or twice a day, she will have sneezing fits that dont produce any mucus. So the vet reckoned it was a simple flare up, that she had no signs of infection, so she didnt want to give her antibiotics again. We still had some Doxycycline preprared and delivered for her just in case, as it is special made for her size and took 3 days to arrive. It arrived yesterday, but Pixie was feeling better yesterday morning, so the vet told me to  not give the meds and wait and see. She was making less nose noises, and was more motivated to eat on her own (I've been motivating her to eat by having her eat off my fingers the pas 3 weeks). I though, FINALLY, this crap is clearing off. But then somewhere in the afternoon, she got bad again. Only thing i can see is that i cleaned her ears (she has a polyp down one of her ear canals, so i have to flush her ear out so the wax wont get stuck in there behind the polyp).
She slept very hard all evening, had to really motivate her to eat, she wouldnt even wake up when i made noises, wouldnt follow me around.
She slept all night. 
This morning, she is still making noises that sound like when you are washing windows, and she's lost more will not eat. It took an hour with breaks to get a tablespoon of food in her with her lysine. She slowly let me feed her about a tablespoon of kibble.
She plays a little bit, but not nearly as enthusiastically as before. 

Called the vet, said she is bad again, and i feel like they dismiss me. Told me to keep watching her and we'll see.
I'm doing everything i can for her. She lives alone with me, it's quiet and non stressful. She has lots of fun toys that i rotate once in a while to keep things fresh and new. She has great food. She has lysine and steam therapy 2-3 times a day, 1cc of saline in her nose once a day, etc..

What is going on??? The vet says i should get used to her having flare ups, but why is it still not better after 3 weeks?
I dont think she has pneumonia now, as her breathing is not rapid (20-30bmp), she doesnt cough, is not dehydrated, but her breathing seems strained all the time and i'm tired of seeing her like this.
I call in at the clinic when i have questions, but i feel like i'm the annoying crazy cat lady now and no one seems worried this is dragging on so long.
Is there nothing else i can do?
Have you ever seen that, intense flare ups that last for 3+ weeks?
I cant see another vet, as i have NO money. Her first few weeks have cost me almost 2k of money i dont have. I'm behind on all my bills now.

This is so frustrating...
 

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Is it the Vet that's dismissing you, or the Vet himself?  If the staff, them simply ask the Vet to call you. 

Usually, form everything I've read, FHV cats ALWAYS get at least 250 mg of L-Lysine twice a day, and when having a flare-up, to to 500 mg twice a day.  Not sure if that amount holds true for kittens or not, but it might. 

As far as her not wanting to eat....could it be that maybe she's just bored with her wet food?  Have you tried switching it up to see what would happen.  See if she gets a little more excited?  Just a thought. 

Otherwise, I honestly don't know what to tell you since she's under a Vet's care.  the only thing I CAN say is, don't worry what they think of you ..."crazy cat lady".  So what?  You love your baby and want to make sure she is ok.  If you don't call them, she definitely won't get help.

BTW, do you know about Carecredit?  Most Vet's accept it, and it could help with her care.  www.carecredit.com
 
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The technicians at the vet's almost always put me on hold so they can transmit my questions to the vet, or call me back later once the vet is done with her patient. I'd say the vet calls me back 25% of the time.
I think they think once they told me she's having a flare up, i should just wait it out. My concern is mainly the amount of time it's taking for her to get better. They are not too worried cause she still eats (with my help..) and plays a bit. But no one can tell me why this is taking so long to clear up. I feel like we're all missing something here.

For the canned food, i alternate between two brands and lots of different flavors. She always has a new favor daily. Sometimes i mix 2 of them so it'll be a new smell. She got really into her beef Hound and Gatos last night. but stopped eating after half a minute. S'like she has ADD, or perhaps a sore throat, or a pallet sore? She eats kibble off my fingers as a dessert, but she doesnt go in her bowl herself between meals like usual.

She takes 250mg of Vyralis  twice daily, and i already called the vet last week to ask if i should up the dosage, and she said no. Only after 6 months old the dose increases.Too much lysine can cause organs damage.

About Carecredit, we have a version of that here in Canada, but i was declined. I applied in june, before i even found Pixie, cause my dog needed emergency X-Rays. My dog died the next day (cancer) but my vet herslef ran a tab, 1000$, which i am now paying monthly. I paid for Pixie's care and various meds by not buying groceries for a few weeks, increasing my credit card limit and quickly maxing that out, and playing bills late. Can't extend anything anymore. The vet saw her for free last week. I'm not asking for any more favors from her, though i dont really ask, she offers. Don't think she would see anything different if she examined her today, but if i had the money i would take her to another vet for a second opinion. Not that she is a bad vet, but sometimes another vet can find other options.
 
 

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If I were you, I would trust my instincts and get another opinion (if and when you can afford it), or press your vet for further tests. It doesn't hurt to get more information. I'm no expert obviously, but the fact that her illness came back after vaccinations worries me, although I suppose it could be a FHV flare-up. I had a kitten with supposed FHV (they didn't bother with a test, just prescribed anti-virals for every feline member of the household), and he had regular dry sneezing fits, with the occasional projectile booger. Every cat in the household also came down more or less simultaneously with a bad URI. However Doxycycline completely blasted their URIs out of existence in less than a week, and none had any problems afterwards. My boy has never had an FHV flare-up, and the closest my girl comes is some watery eye during periods of stress. They may not have gotten as rough a start in life as your little girl has though.

Has she been tested for FeLV by any chance? If she comes from a feral colony I would definitely have FIV and FeLV testing done. Also with possible FCV I'd be very careful about stressing her further until she is completely recovered. Discuss her vaccination schedule with your vet, for example. My cats were indoor-only and didn't have their vaccines completed until long after the URIs/FHV/whatever they had cleared up. I don't know what your vet's views are, but my current vet feels the vaccination schedule (as well as vaccines given) can be adjusted based on the particular cat's living environment and the risks to which they will be exposed. I think there is some interval you can't exceed for the booster to be most effective though......again, I'm not an expert, so talk to your vet.

My cats also ate Hound and Gatos for a while. They liked the Lamb-Chicken-Salmon if I remember correctly. Alas, not as much as Wellness Turkey & Salmon...

By the way, if that's her in your avatar, she is incredibly cute! It's those big eyes and the small muzzle, somewhat like my boy.
 
 
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I DID see on the Viralis site that for kittens under age 6 months the dose should not be more than 250mg twice a day, just didn't know why.

I have a cat who eats like your little one.  As a matter of fact, just last night my husband comments on his eating habits.  He said exactly what you said about ADD
.  My guy will dive into his bowl and be eating so enthusiastically, then suddenly just stop what he's doing and look around like he completely forgot what he was doing
.  Then I'll tap the edge of his bowl to get his attention back, and he'll start eating again, then stop again at the smallest distraction, like a sound on the TV, or a car driving by, or WHATEVER.  

Sounds like your Vet is being very gracious is letting you run up a bill, AND in seeing your furbaby for FREE
.  AND, from reading this article, http://www.2ndchance.info/rhinotracheitis.htm, it sounds like you are doing everything right.  I think the vaccinations, which are all important with an FHV cat, aggravated the situation.  It's kind of a catch 22
 

I ran across this thread that talks about adding Lactoferrin to their diets as well as L-Lysine, but again, not sure if it applies to young kittens.  Don't know why not, since this is really Colostrum.  http://www.thecatsite.com/t/267703/stubborn-herpes-infection-add-lactoferrin-in-addition-to-lysine

Not actually ever having had a cat with FHV, I'm no expert, but I do know that some of our team member DO have cats with it, so I am going to see if some of them can check our your thread and give you some guidance as far as timelines for flare-ups.

Oh!  one more thing...have you  tried warming up her food?  Since her sinuses may be "plugged" a little bit, maybe warming her food might help?  Just a few seconds in the microwave on half power, then stir it up really well so there are no hot spots. 
 
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Thanks for your replies, y'all.

Pixie was in a bad way last night, but then when i went to bed, she started playing on her own, for 2 hours straight. I heard a big wet sneeze, but could not find mucus. She has sneezed a few times today, which i guess is a good sign, but still not sign of snot or boogers. This is why both the vet an i are waiting to give her the Doxy. It's pointless, and could actually harm her, if she doesn't have any infection.
Though last night, i was convinced she might be starting pneumonia (the lethargy, the seemingly on and off low grade fever symptoms) and was going to call the vet in the morning to ask if Doxy treats pneumonia.
But this morning she was a bit better. Less nose noises. She ate a tbs of Wellness Core Kitten with her lysine, and a tbs of kibble. I helped her of course...She ate another tbs of kibble an hours later, with my help, and another tbs of canned just now. She needs to eat 3\4 of the can (8 tbs) a day, plus some kibble, i reckon. 
I do warm the food, but she really seems to either get nauseated after eating a bit, or something in her mouth hurts her (sore?) When she doesnt like the food (apparently, beef H&G is too grainy for her taste..), she sniffs, scratches the grounds, and leaves. Won't even nibble a bit. I know she smells at least a little cause she squints when she smells my lavendar foot lotion.
In the past 4 hours we've been up, she has slept only an hour. She plays, grooms, and chases my feet the rest of the time. 
She seems to be doing better today, though she tends to get worse in the evenings. But still, eating is complicated.

Still can't afford another opinion or anything else really. My vet ran a bill cause she has known me for 12 years. Both my (now deceased) dogs were her patients. She knows i'd give the shirt off my back for my pets, but unfortunately, i am now figuratively naked. I am very grateful for her helping me when i brought this tiny sick thing to her, but the troubles just doesnt seem to be ending with Pixie.

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I have a cat who eats like your little one.  As a matter of fact, just last night my husband comments on his eating habits.  He said exactly what you said about ADD
.  My guy will dive into his bowl and be eating so enthusiastically, then suddenly just stop what he's doing and look around like he completely forgot what he was doing
.  Then I'll tap the edge of his bowl to get his attention back, and he'll start eating again, then stop again at the smallest distraction, like a sound on the TV, or a car driving by, or WHATEVER.  

 you are doing everything right.  I think the vaccinations, which are all important with an FHV cat, aggravated the situation.  It's kind of a catch 22
 

I ran across this thread that talks about adding Lactoferrin to their diets as well as L-Lysine, but again, not sure if it applies to young kittens.  Don't know why not, since this is really Colostrum.  http://www.thecatsite.com/t/267703/stubborn-herpes-infection-add-lactoferrin-in-addition-to-lysine

EXACTLY!
And i'll look into the lactofferin.
 
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If I were you, I would trust my instincts and get another opinion (if and when you can afford it), or press your vet for further tests. It doesn't hurt to get more information. I'm no expert obviously, but the fact that her illness came back after vaccinations worries me, although I suppose it could be a FHV flare-up. I had a kitten with supposed FHV (they didn't bother with a test, just prescribed anti-virals for every feline member of the household), and he had regular dry sneezing fits, with the occasional projectile booger. Every cat in the household also came down more or less simultaneously with a bad URI. However Doxycycline completely blasted their URIs out of existence in less than a week, and none had any problems afterwards. My boy has never had an FHV flare-up, and the closest my girl comes is some watery eye during periods of stress. They may not have gotten as rough a start in life as your little girl has though.

Has she been tested for FeLV by any chance? If she comes from a feral colony I would definitely have FIV and FeLV testing done. Also with possible FCV I'd be very careful about stressing her further until she is completely recovered. Discuss her vaccination schedule with your vet, for example. My cats were indoor-only and didn't have their vaccines completed until long after the URIs/FHV/whatever they had cleared up. I don't know what your vet's views are, but my current vet feels the vaccination schedule (as well as vaccines given) can be adjusted based on the particular cat's living environment and the risks to which they will be exposed. I think there is some interval you can't exceed for the booster to be most effective though......again, I'm not an expert, so talk to your vet.

My cats also ate Hound and Gatos for a while. They liked the Lamb-Chicken-Salmon if I remember correctly. Alas, not as much as Wellness Turkey & Salmon...

By the way, if that's her in your avatar, she is incredibly cute! It's those big eyes and the small muzzle, somewhat like my boy.
 
It worries me too. A flare up is fine, but a 3+ week one is not. Something is up...She doesn't have watery eyes though, knock on wood. She did have a bad eye infection when i rescued her though.
She has not been tested. I was thinking of testing her all at once the day of her surgery in november. I'll have her fixed then, if i can get her fully vaccinated at some point. Can't even afford it now anyway, but i shoiuld go back to work gradually next week (injured shoulder..) so if all goes well i'll be back to regular pay in 2 months.
I asked my vet about vaccine boosters, and she should get her second and third within 5 weeks intervals for them to be effective. I wanted her vaccinated as soon as her initial symptoms were gone, cause though she will be an indoor cat, i can see that she longs to go out already, so i wanted to harness train her. Also, i'm not even having friends over since ive had her, cause they all have pets and possible viruses stuck to their clothes. Paranoia on my partm perhaps, but im not taking any chances. But yeah, i might to wait a while for her vaccines. I'll have to start over...
She's into Lamb-chicken-salmon too! She likes lamb in general, but she used to go nuts for salmon, but not anymore. There are tiny bits of bones in there, and she doesn't like the bother.
She liked Wellness, as did i cause i can get the more economic big can for 4$, but H&G is most smelly and nicer texture for sickies.
It is her in the avatar. She is absolutely beautiful. Her mother had the same face (she's 100% feral and already pregnant again) but i remember seeing her last fall when she was just a kitten, and thinking she had the most beautiful cat face i had ever seen. Her baby Pixie is just like her, but with short hair. What kills me is that she likes sleeping on her back, and it shows her equally cute striped belly.
I should probably post a more recent pic.
 
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Thanks. Hopefully i'll learn how to post multi pics too.
 

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Yeah my thinking exactly regarding the 3-week flare-up...even if it is just a flare-up my personal opinion is that merits further investigation.

Yay pics!!!  
She's so gorgeous! I wonder if those genes start to dominate in feral populations or something. I see so many ferals with spotted/mackerel tabby patterns (online, I don't actually see them in real life)... Just speculating wildly here... (I think Pixie is actually spotted because she doesn't have belly stripes.)

I think it makes total sense not to have friends who have pets over given your little girl's immunocompromised state. I would probably do that too (but then I've been accused of worrying excessively about "my children", as my fiance calls them.
)

I've got harnesses for my babies too and am meaning to start taking the bold matron of the household on walks. She's quite keen on the backyard, which I only take her into on harness. (She's not allowed out there freely, as I think she may be able to make it up the fence.) My boy though is terrified of everything, so I won't be walking him any time soon! As my fiance says, he wouldn't venture out of the house because the air particles might eat him!

One thing I really liked about Hound and Gatos is I remember it didn't have carageenan in it. (It does have guar gum though.) I don't know if there's anything actually wrong with carageenan, but I like to avoid additives if possible. My cats spoke and overrode my opinion however and Wellness it was.... Oh well, we can only do our best...

Good luck with Pixie. I really hope she feels better soon and you're able to save up money to get her further care.
 
 
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Thanks :)

They looked like stripes, but now that she is expanding, they are spots.
In the outside colony, only her mother and another badass unidentified big guy with a collar are longhaired tabby.
The other ones (uncle\father, and aunts of Pixie) are caramel (long haired), black, and black and white. The black one has a collar now too. I don't know how they survived last winter. I barely did.
But you're right, come to think of it. I rarely see other spotted\striped ferals.

I'm a dog person, so the thought of taking her on walks enchants me. I miss taking my dogs on walks..I see two different cats being walked in the area, and i think it's so cool. I live in a big city. Cats need to explore and get direct sunlight and fresh air too. I'll have all winter to get Pixie used to a harness and lead.

I was supposed to go raw, as i did with my dogs in the past, but with all the stuff going on, i have not done nearly as much research as i should before the switch. Got all my supplements though.
 

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If you want to try raw at some point mine loved Nature's Variety Frozen Raw Duck Bites. (They also have chicken and lamb -- the chicken is cheapest.)  I only fed this as a supplement because I couldn't afford to feed it as their sole food. I think you can get a coupon on their web site: http://www.naturesvariety.com/getraw  
 

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Well, if you are planning on going raw, here's the forum for you:  http://www.thecatsite.com/t/264154/raw-feeding-resources

Although I heard MEAT in Canada was super expensive!  I know we had one Canadian member who actually bought from a farm in Pennsylvania that I used to buy from, had it shipped to the northernmost U.S. city closest to where she lived, then DROVE down from Canada to pick it up.  She said it was a whole lot cheaper to do it that way than to buy the meat in Canada.  Whatever works!   Maybe YOU could do that, since Montreal isn't that far from the U.S. (doesn't look like it anyway)
 
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I'll go with homemade raw. Much cheaper, and i think safer too.
 
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Well, if you are planning on going raw, here's the forum for you:  http://www.thecatsite.com/t/264154/raw-feeding-resources

Although I heard MEAT in Canada was super expensive!  I know we had one Canadian member who actually bought from a farm in Pennsylvania that I used to buy from, had it shipped to the northernmost U.S. city closest to where she lived, then DROVE down from Canada to pick it up.  She said it was a whole lot cheaper to do it that way than to buy the meat in Canada.  Whatever works!   Maybe YOU could do that, since Montreal isn't that far from the U.S. (doesn't look like it anyway)
Whaaaaat?When i'll be able to afford a good meat\bone grinder, i can get 2 whole chickens for 10-12$ when they are on special. Ground beef costs about 3-4$ a pound on special. Not sure about other meats but i am used to chase bargains for meat as it was what i fed my large dog.
I don't drive, but i can't imagine it would be cheaper to pay for shipping AND driving with the price of petrol :\
 
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I've left Pixie alone for 4 hours, feeding her 1 tbs of canned before i left. 
In the hours she was alone, she did not eat what i had left her at all....Damn. 
She ate a few licks on her own, and the rest i had to coax her and have it licked off my finger, and even force feeding her the last couple bites cause there was lysine in there.
She is making new noises from, i think, her nose.
The fact that she plays in the morning and early afternoon, then crashed till late at night tells me she might have low grade fever.
I'll call the vet in the morning for sure, and i think it's time to give her the Doxycycline. It's a gamble..Hope it also treats pneumonia if it's an issue she now has, who knows.
 

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I've left Pixie alone for 4 hours, feeding her 1 tbs of canned before i left. 
In the hours she was alone, she did not eat what i had left her at all....Damn. 
She ate a few licks on her own, and the rest i had to coax her and have it licked off my finger, and even force feeding her the last couple bites cause there was lysine in there.
She is making new noises from, i think, her nose.
The fact that she plays in the morning and early afternoon, then crashed till late at night tells me she might have low grade fever.
I'll call the vet in the morning for sure, and i think it's time to give her the Doxycycline. It's a gamble..Hope it also treats pneumonia if it's an issue she now has, who knows.
How is Pixie doing? I'm worried about her.

Sometimes I leave out wet food (never for more than a few hours, though cats do have very high levels of acid in their stomachs and I've never had a problem with sickness due to spoilage) and my cats don't eat it, but only if I've left too much food and they are not hungry. You'll know Pixie's eating schedule better than anyone and whether or not leaving the food is unusual for her.

My cats are also most active during periods of the day (all morning, late afternoon, and late evening-night), and sleep in between. Again you would know best whether Pixie's sleep/play pattern is off.

Do you have a thermometer? I have one that beeps to tell me a stable temp has been achieved. You can take her temperature under the foreleg or rectally. When I temp I do the foreleg (armpit temp) because they hate rectal temps and I hate taking them (even though it's more accurate). I take the armpit temperature a number of times to get an idea of the variation between readings and some baseline idea of what their temp should be. It's easiest to do while they are sleeping, and you may have to hold her armpit closed gently until the reading is done. You could do this to monitor for a fever.

Good luck and I hope Pixie is o.k.
 
 
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