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I would suggest to a bit more research:_)... as many domestics with no wild blood and evan those with immune issues thrive on raw dietsOriginally Posted by Panther pride
I think feeding raw is a good thing if done in monderation or if going to feed all raw then have a young healthy animal eating the food or one tht has some wild blood in him/her Ki bangels is doing well on this matter and maybe mix in canned foods again when he/she gets older. I agree that evolution plays a very big part in raw feeding and those immune system problems. One day it might even be fatal to feed a housecat/dog raw/barf diets. I'm talking thousends if not millions of years from now if the raw/barf/organic movement stops or changes. Our diet of pot pies, cookies, frozen processed foods and Mic donalds is very very diffient from the eary homid's one of fruit, bugs, and roots plus an occanional carcass found out on the savannah. The first human 'ape' was only the size of a kindergardener and had a brain the size of a chimp and our jaws now are inches smaller then those hiomids of the past we have almost none if any room for wisdom teeth, some people dont even get wisdom teeth and our insides are actually changing too, an appendix, is actually thought to be a second crop for digesting raw meat from eariler times, useless and growing smaller and smaller with every genration. i read an artlce the said basicly mordern homo sapiens are evoving to eat......mush. I was reading up on human diet changes over the past few hundred years and I think our housecats scale of evolution to live with humans and eat cat food is much much less dramic then our own physical makeup of jaw/brains and diet they are alot closer to african wildcats then we are to early homids.
An African wildcat (The wild ancestor of our beloved furbabies) was probably alot stronger and tougher then a house cat in terms of immuneaty, they also probably didnt live for very long, Other factors then food I'm sure. The point is feed raw if you wish but remember to vary it when the pet gets old, Just my humble opinion. I feed a good diet Innova evo and raw as a treat. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...ilies/wink.gif
The thing is You do need to keep reading ... many of us get to a raw diet to help allviate old age or disease issuesOriginally Posted by Panther pride
Just forming my opinion based on what I read online about and what was posted earlier Sharky, It might only be the big chain brands trying to perswade that their product is better then raw or some animal right activists writing, dont know. Raw is a very very good food choice, I think but we need to be wary of diseases domestic pets are not prepared to deal with in old age/ect. Our housecats live sheltered lives far removed from the homes of their anscestors, But your right raw is the natural diet for cats including housecats,now, but in another thousend or more years their opinion might be right too. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...s/confused.gif. Most housecats dont get raw diets, they get processed foods with grains pasevatives and by products. Nature in any shape or form over time adopts its creatures to their lifestyles, I wasn't kidding about what I read about the path our own human diet is taking, it's scary to me.http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...s/rolleyes.gif.
Vets are probably/poorly informed about feline nutrition, worried raw might be too natural, or they just want you to shell out money for them.
no it aint your imagination.. some wont loos "real" wt but like a human there body may sculptOriginally Posted by Renovia
well,
luxor LOVES raw - he's is going to switch over completely much sooner than i thought he would....probably by the end of next week he'll be all on raw. . .
and i don't know if mine eyes deceive me but the fur on his neck feels a little softer and he looks a little leaner around the bum...
Humans have been evolving for hundreds of thousand of years. Homo Sapians arrived on the evolutionary scene roughly 100,000 - 200,000 years ago. It make's a lot of sense that our diet would not be exactly that of our early ancestors, and that we would have vestigal organs. We've had plenty of time on the evolution playing field to adapt and change.Originally Posted by Panther pride
I think feeding raw is a good thing if done in monderation or if going to feed all raw then have a young healthy animal eating the food or one tht has some wild blood in him/her Ki bangels is doing well on this matter and maybe mix in canned foods again when he/she gets older. I agree that evolution plays a very big part in raw feeding and those immune system problems. One day it might even be fatal to feed a housecat/dog raw/barf diets. I'm talking thousends if not millions of years from now if the raw/barf/organic movement stops or changes. Our diet of pot pies, cookies, frozen processed foods and Mic donalds is very very diffient from the eary homid's one of fruit, bugs, and roots plus an occanional carcass found out on the savannah. The first human 'ape' was only the size of a kindergardener and had a brain the size of a chimp and our jaws now are inches smaller then those hiomids of the past we have almost none if any room for wisdom teeth, some people dont even get wisdom teeth and our insides are actually changing too, an appendix, is actually thought to be a second crop for digesting raw meat from eariler times, useless and growing smaller and smaller with every genration. i read an artlce the said basicly mordern homo sapiens are evoving to eat......mush. I was reading up on human diet changes over the past few hundred years and I think our housecats scale of evolution to live with humans and eat cat food is much much less dramic then our own physical makeup of jaw/brains and diet they are alot closer to african wildcats then we are to early homids.
An African wildcat (The wild ancestor of our beloved furbabies) was probably alot stronger and tougher then a house cat in terms of immuneaty, they also probably didnt live for very long, Other factors then food I'm sure. The point is feed raw if you wish but remember to vary it when the pet gets old, Just my humble opinion. I feed a good diet Innova evo and raw as a treat. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/ima...ilies/wink.gif
that's a really good point - i hope my vet would support my decision, and i think they do. i hope they realize that i'm not a dummy and maybe that's why they haven't tried to scare me away from raw.....Originally Posted by techiegirl
I think most vets are against raw because most people are idiots and don't know the slightest way of doing it correctly A lot of people will read about a raw diet and then just feed them raw meat and that's it, and think it's ok - in addition they don't know how to prepare it correctly, so there is a good chance of salmonella, etc...
Personally, I used to think raw/holistic etc was a bunch of crap!But I know many people/shelters IRL who have had great success with it, so I am supportive of it now, though I do not do it myself!
I think a lot of vets just err on the side of caution and unless they know you and know you are intelligent and actually research it and all, they would tell you to not do it.
CatsAreBetter;1785312 said:Sorry, guys, just had to rant about that. I've been so mad about that snotty little vet tech and her lecture, which, if I wasn't feeding raw, could have very easily put my pets in danger. She even went so far as to suggest that high protein no grain drys weren't nutritionally balanced too. I was like.. so you're suggesting that we need to feed OBLIGATE CARNIVORES vegetables and grain????? What vet school did you spend years learning nutrition at that taught you that?
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Sorry about the troubles you had with her. She sounds like she's been thoroughly ingrained (no pun intended) with false information. Just a side note though - tech's don't go to vet school. Some people become tech's from hands on work in a clinic, others go through a certification process, and some get an actual 2 year degree. Others have a combination of the three. Where I got my degree in Animal Care they also had a program for vet tech's.
Noelle&Oliver;1785426 said:Hmm, wonder how long an actual vet degree is.. I should have done that when I was younger. It's kind of like.. too late to go to school to be a vet, but.. anyway.. she was just going on about how it takes 'years of study and proper vet training to understand nutrition" and that's pretty good considering that from my understanding.. they don't spend that long on it in vet school.. I might be mistaken.. I haven't researched any of that or anything.Originally Posted by CatsAreBetter
Sorry, guys, just had to rant about that. I've been so mad about that snotty little vet tech and her lecture, which, if I wasn't feeding raw, could have very easily put my pets in danger. She even went so far as to suggest that high protein no grain drys weren't nutritionally balanced too. I was like.. so you're suggesting that we need to feed OBLIGATE CARNIVORES vegetables and grain????? What vet school did you spend years learning nutrition at that taught you that?
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Sorry about the troubles you had with her. She sounds like she's been thoroughly ingrained (no pun intended) with false information. Just a side note though - tech's don't go to vet school. Some people become tech's from hands on work in a clinic, others go through a certification process, and some get an actual 2 year degree. Others have a combination of the three. Where I got my degree in Animal Care they also had a program for vet tech's.
CatsAreBetter;1785460 said:I think it's 4 additional years after college for vet school, so 8 years.Originally Posted by Noelle&Oliver
Hmm, wonder how long an actual vet degree is.. I should have done that when I was younger. It's kind of like.. too late to go to school to be a vet, but.. anyway.. she was just going on about how it takes 'years of study and proper vet training to understand nutrition" and that's pretty good considering that from my understanding.. they don't spend that long on it in vet school.. I might be mistaken.. I haven't researched any of that or anything.
beandip;1785581 said:Yes that is it plus any specialty training so add 2-3 yrs to the 8 ....Originally Posted by CatsAreBetter
I think it's 4 additional years after college for vet school, so 8 years.
Vet tech can be a 9 month , 2yr or 4 yr degree depending on school ... obviously the 4 yr is teaching more than a 9 month