I just signed up to this site. My Jasper has Stomatitis and has had the full teeth extractions and 3 months later the problem was back. This is a horrible condition that just won't go away. The steroids help on a short term basis. 30 yrs ago you hardly heard of this now it seems quite often a poor feline is going through this. I think it's their diet. We feed only name brand. Can and dry. I know that dry has cornmeal added. What the hell? Cats are strictly meat eaters. What are they adding to their food? Anyway anyone has ideas on how to help my baby girl? I think my baby boy has it now. I know the signs.
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"To Pull His Teeth or Not"?? Chronic Stomatitis/Gingivitis
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"They" say it can happen sometimes that the full extraction won't cure it, however it is also clear that it's easy to leave small root pieces behind in the jaw and this will keep the stomatitis ongoing.
Well the Dr exrays during the procedure to make sure to get everything. Matter of fact she
showed me them and gave them to me to keep
as my own record. Thank you for replying.
showed me them and gave them to me to keep
as my own record. Thank you for replying.
You might want to check out this thread it has a lot of good information in it. http://www.thecatsite.com/t/256668/stomatitis-syrup-from-dallas-texas
Hello. My name is Gail, and this is my Rosie. She is currently four. A year an a half ago I noticed her losing weight, depressed, drooling, etc. Took her to my vet and she was diagnosed with this terrible disease. The vet said that they had never seen such a case in such a young cat. In fact, they told me that they calculated her age at approximately 10. I was shocked, as I had her before she was full grown, and I knew her actual age. We had all of her teeth removed except for the canines. Within 3 days Rosie was back to being a kitten again. Eating just fine and bugging and terrorizing anybody she could. Well, she started looking depressed yesterday. I "know" all of my animals, and if something is just a tad bit off I will notice. Told the hubs about it. Today Rose is still depressed, although eating. I noticed that she is quite red around the gum line. She is drooling. I will be contacting our vet to schedule surgery to have the rest of her teeth extracted this week. I knew that it would only be a matter of time....
Hi Gail,
Rosie is a lovely cat!
Yes, a common scenario for stomatitis.
Cats live perfectly normal, healthy and pain free lives with or without their teeth.
There is nothing worse than a sore mouth and nobody to really whine to, so it's a good thing for her what you are doing, and not allowing her to suffer needlessly.
Just be sure every bit of root is removed as well, otherwise the very same thing might happen again someday.
Good luck and welcome to the cat site!!
Hi, most of you don't know me, as I haven't been here much lately... But I decided to post since Bugsy (my stomatitis boy) just had his dental last week, and I have some news to report.
To give some background, Bugsy was treated in the past with the "Dallas Syrup", with great success. However, when I transioned him to a raw diet, not only his IBD got completely under control, but his vet noticed his stomatitis inflammation started to reduce quite a bit. We decided to slowly take him off the meds, and monitor him closely.
Bugsy has been medication free for about two years now.
His last dental this last week confirmed that his stomatitis is still under control. He did have a tiny little ulcer, very small, near the front tooth tooth. Aside from that, his gums looked really good.
His teeth were a mess, though... For some odd reason he accumulates a ridiculous amount of tartar/calculus, but that's besides his stomatitis issue. He had two extractions.
He still has his dentals at the Dallas Clinic, and he is still medication free.
They are very much experts in stomatitis, and they do not believe full mouth extractions. They try the hardest to save the teeth, anyway they can. I have had this conversation in the beginning of my treatment path with Bugsy, and what they told me is what I am seeing on this thread- it is a hit or miss. It's a 50/50 chance that it is not going to work...
To me, what really made a world of difference was a highly anti-inflammatory species appropriate diet: Raw. Bugsy has been healthy, happy and pain free ever since.
Stomatitis is very much an unknown beast and the causes are still not fully explained, but to me reducing inflammation seems to be a logical step... And in Bugsy's case was a bonus to a diet I used to manage his IBD. A wonderful bonus!
I wish each and every one of you and your babies to find a solution for this painful disease...
To give some background, Bugsy was treated in the past with the "Dallas Syrup", with great success. However, when I transioned him to a raw diet, not only his IBD got completely under control, but his vet noticed his stomatitis inflammation started to reduce quite a bit. We decided to slowly take him off the meds, and monitor him closely.
Bugsy has been medication free for about two years now.
His last dental this last week confirmed that his stomatitis is still under control. He did have a tiny little ulcer, very small, near the front tooth tooth. Aside from that, his gums looked really good.
His teeth were a mess, though... For some odd reason he accumulates a ridiculous amount of tartar/calculus, but that's besides his stomatitis issue. He had two extractions.
He still has his dentals at the Dallas Clinic, and he is still medication free.
They are very much experts in stomatitis, and they do not believe full mouth extractions. They try the hardest to save the teeth, anyway they can. I have had this conversation in the beginning of my treatment path with Bugsy, and what they told me is what I am seeing on this thread- it is a hit or miss. It's a 50/50 chance that it is not going to work...
To me, what really made a world of difference was a highly anti-inflammatory species appropriate diet: Raw. Bugsy has been healthy, happy and pain free ever since.
Stomatitis is very much an unknown beast and the causes are still not fully explained, but to me reducing inflammation seems to be a logical step... And in Bugsy's case was a bonus to a diet I used to manage his IBD. A wonderful bonus!
I wish each and every one of you and your babies to find a solution for this painful disease...
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I know I sound like a broken record here but I strongly suggest you use a boarded dentist to do this if you decide to remove all of the teethe. As of now removal of all of the teethe and even grinding the jaw bone in some cases Is the only treatment that is close to curative for idiopathic lymphocytic plasmacytic stomachtitis. If this is what it is. I don't know what are of southern California you are in but look up Dr. Neimic out of San Diego. He is the best I know. Only does teeth and he does them himself, doesn't pass it off to his techs.
The risk of anesthesia is usually in the recovery time or when procedures have extended times. The other risk of course is technical error. So you need to make sure if they take all the teeth out that there is dental radiograph done and iv fluids as well as careful monitoring of the blood pressure and other vital signs. It would be better for you to use a specialist because they will be able to do it so much faster than a regular vet and the shorter the anesthesia the better.
As for the "bringing the cat close to death" etc. That is not true. When animals wake up during a procedure that is known to be painful it is best to put them on a CRI of a pain medication and then use lower anesthesia etc. Pain must always be addressed. It also helps to have them on fluids the day before the procedure as well as the day of. One cause of renal failure that most owners don't know about is that when under anesthesia a patient's blood pressure falls to low their kidneys do not get the blood flow they need and eventually will shut down. Sometimes it takes a week and sometimes as long as 9 months or more.
Well it sounds like you have things under control for now. Look up Dr. Neimic though he is great.
I know I sound like a broken record here but I strongly suggest you use a boarded dentist to do this if you decide to remove all of the teethe. As of now removal of all of the teethe and even grinding the jaw bone in some cases Is the only treatment that is close to curative for idiopathic lymphocytic plasmacytic stomachtitis. If this is what it is. I don't know what are of southern California you are in but look up Dr. Neimic out of San Diego. He is the best I know. Only does teeth and he does them himself, doesn't pass it off to his techs.
The risk of anesthesia is usually in the recovery time or when procedures have extended times. The other risk of course is technical error. So you need to make sure if they take all the teeth out that there is dental radiograph done and iv fluids as well as careful monitoring of the blood pressure and other vital signs. It would be better for you to use a specialist because they will be able to do it so much faster than a regular vet and the shorter the anesthesia the better.
As for the "bringing the cat close to death" etc. That is not true. When animals wake up during a procedure that is known to be painful it is best to put them on a CRI of a pain medication and then use lower anesthesia etc. Pain must always be addressed. It also helps to have them on fluids the day before the procedure as well as the day of. One cause of renal failure that most owners don't know about is that when under anesthesia a patient's blood pressure falls to low their kidneys do not get the blood flow they need and eventually will shut down. Sometimes it takes a week and sometimes as long as 9 months or more.
Well it sounds like you have things under control for now. Look up Dr. Neimic though he is great.
Sorry... I can't agree that extractions are the only route. My cat had a severe case of stomatitis and I elected to not have extractions. I went to not only a dentist, but a renowned specialist in stomatitis. He was treated with medications that didn't involve the usual steroids or strong antibiotics, had no side effects, and did fabulous. I am not going to repeat myself over and over.... The fact that Bugsy still has his teeth and is so far in remission should prove his case :cross:
Anyways, for those who pulled out the teeth and are still having issues, you might want to discuss this route with your dentist/vet before undergoing another surgery - new study:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23757820
Anyways, for those who pulled out the teeth and are still having issues, you might want to discuss this route with your dentist/vet before undergoing another surgery - new study:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23757820
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By the way, this is still under clinical trial, but it is showing great promise. The trial is on UC Davis, with a Grant by the Winn Feline Foundation. The study is for CURE - with stem cells.
A 14 yr old kitty was just cured in the trial.http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/whatsnew/article.cfm?id=2789
It might not be far fetched to contact UC Davis to join the clinical trial. I have met people who have done just that (for other trials). It is my understanding it is still happening.
A 14 yr old kitty was just cured in the trial.http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/whatsnew/article.cfm?id=2789
It might not be far fetched to contact UC Davis to join the clinical trial. I have met people who have done just that (for other trials). It is my understanding it is still happening.
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I have had 2 cats have their teeth pulled only up to caines both have done very well with eating and regaining weight lost prior to the extractions.
