stomatitis syrup from dallas texas

Hi wondering any feedback on medicine, going be start giving my cat tommorow. they told me dosent need be refrigerated. Anyone know how long before any improvement.   thankyou for youre time.

Carolina is the one to talk to about it.  You might shoot her a PM.

How is your kitty doing on the syrup?

Can anyone who has used the Dallas Clinic meds comment on how they obtained them and how much it costs per month?  I contacted the Dallas clinic and they said my vet would need to order the meds and that some vets are in favor of the treatment and others not (I'm on the East coast and can't go to the clinic itself).

Also, if you couldn't go to the clinic can you offer any advice on how you obtained the meds and how you approached your vet on the subject?

My 3 year old cat went from highly verbal, loving, affectionate, follow you all around the house super playful to sleeping all day only waking to eat seemingly over night.  She has been on antibiotics for 4 days and prednisone for 2 and although she is not gagging and spiting up bile as much, she is not nearly the cat she was just 5 days ago.

I'm hoping its not oral cancer but learning it could stomatitis is no pick me up either.  Her dental score in October was a 1 (perfect for her age).  Her gums aren't red and inflamed like I see from pics on the web but the back of her upper right molar is swollen so much that her face was puffy and she had trouble swallowing and started snoring when she slept.  The prednisone seems to have reduced some of the swelling in her face but not cured it and she just sleeps all day.  She will eat her food but doesn't groom much anymore.

Do the gums have to be red and swollen for stomatitis or do my cat's symptoms sound like yours?  We are on 10 days of meds and then a return for a biopsy if necessary to determine if its cancer or stomatitis.

Any comments on the cost and ease of obtaining the syrup and how effective it is would be appreciated.  I'm simply trying to prepare for all treatment options when the time comes for that discussion and I'm hoping for the best but based on how lethargic my cat has become I'm really saddened and depressed.

Thanks.

Here's the info I got from @Carolina a couple of years ago.  Your vet will need to contact the clinic in Dallas.  I have a friend whose kitty is starting treatment soon.

Jim Seehorn
Dallas Veterinarians Dental
972-385-8400
They have been a God Sent to Bugsy, and have been treating stomatitis kitties for over 40yrs... Dr. Bob Wiggs was the founder and owner of the practice until his death a couple of years ago. He also developed the treatment.

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Thank you

The symptoms you described sound like a possibly abcessed tooth, since the swelling is only in one place and the rest of the gums appear to be healthy. Did the vet mention that as a possibility? One of my cats and I both have had an abcessed tooth and the pain and swelling are unbelievable Antibiotics took almost a week to knock the infection back.

I hope your kitty is feeling better soon and the follow up visit goes well. I have such sympathy for anyone with tooth pain.

The vet did not mention an abcessed tooth though it took two visits in 3 days to get where we are currently.  First diagnosis was pharyngitis and then when I observed her chewing, gagging on the right side, I performed an oral exam (she hates her mouth being touched) and felt a lump in the back.  My first cat would lift her lips to let me brush her teeth but Sparkle has fought me for 3 years.  So I returned to the vet to have them look thinking it was cancer and this would be a horrible outcome.  The vet said it could be cancer but likely not given her age and that is was more likely stomatitis which I originally thought was a relief but now not so much.  So she was on antibiotics for "pharyngitis" and then we added prednisone for "stomatitis" and now we are waiting to see how she responds before the next visit and a likely biopsy.  Its been a depressing week and she is just so lethargic compared to her normal self I know she is suffering and that kills me.

I have contacted the Dallas Clinic and I'm looking for a local vet specializing in dental med.  How does one recognize / diagnose an abcessed tooth and what does one do if that is the case?

If it is abcessed, usually it is treated with antibiotics first and then the tooth is either mended or pulled. If the tooth is chipped or cracked, sometimes it can get infected/abcessed. The one I had was so bad, the swelling compressed a nerve and the whole right side of my face went slack. It was absolutely terrifying, but went away after the antibiotics took effect and the swelling went down. I didn't have the money or insurance for a fancy fix, so I had the tooth pulled when the infection was gone. Same as with my cat, Sammy.

The symptoms are very similar to what you described: localized redness, swelling and pain in the gum directly above the affected tooth. Sammy drooled horribly when he had his problem and didn't want to eat, plus he had a low grade fever.

I forgot to add that the pocket of infection can feel like a bump or lump in the gum line.

Well except for the fever those symptoms are very similar and I'll be frustrated if that is what it is and the vet missed it (twice).

B-Roc said:

 
Well except for the fever those symptoms are very similar and I'll be frustrated if that is what it is and the vet missed it (twice).

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Has your cat ever had a dental exam/cleaning? When my stomatitis kitty had his flare-ups the sores and swelling were not confined to just one side of his mouth and throat. That's not saying it couldn't be stomatitis, but like @happybird  suggested, start with ruling out something "simple" like an abscess first, then go from there. Whether it's an abscess or stomatitis, the dental exam with x-rays is where you've got to start. You're a wonderful kitty mom for looking for a vet dental specialist and being so pro-active, but seems it's way too early in the game for you to be worried about the Dallas Syrup. I sure hope your kitty gets better.

I've never heard of "stomatitis syrup." Is it a prescription medication? If so, could you give me the name of the medication so I can help you? Stomatitis is a very serious oral disease. It is an inflammation of the oral cavity.

LillyDSH said:

I've never heard of "stomatitis syrup." Is it a prescription medication? If so, could you give me the name of the medication so I can help you? Stomatitis is a very serious oral disease. It is an inflammation of the oral cavity.

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If you take the time to read the entire thread, you will find the information (or links to the information ).

Where is the link to this medication? I can't find anything about it online. I've only been able to find anything about it on this site. I recommend getting the vet to do radiographs of your cat. You will want your cat tested for bartonella, too.

Susank521 said:

 
Has your cat ever had a dental exam/cleaning? . You're a wonderful kitty mom for looking for a vet dental specialist and being so pro-active, but seems it's way too early in the game for you to be worried about the Dallas Syrup. I sure hope your kitty gets better.

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Kitty Dad actually  and I will be calling the vet on Friday to discuss x-rays.  I had her put on pain medication today and that has made a huge difference.  Now that she is comfortable I’m feeling like there is some light at the end of the tunnel.  Thank you for your suggestions and encouragement. 

I talked to the Dallas Clinic today.  You can get more information if you just email or call them or join the stomatitis yahoo group.  The “cocktail” is proprietary and they won’t tell owners what is in it.  They will tell you what’s not in it but they make your vet, if they agree to treat with it, sign a non-disclosure agreement on the contents.

Wow, what a great resource.  I will be passing this information about the Stomatitis Syrup along to the Vet I work for.  It must be like the KCS (Dry Eye) Solution a vet thought up that helped dogs with KCS before things like Cyclosporin.

B-Roc said:

 
Kitty Dad actually

 and I will be calling the vet on Friday to discuss x-rays.  I had her put on pain medication today and that has made a huge difference.  Now that she is comfortable I’m feeling like there is some light at the end of the tunnel.  Thank you for your suggestions and encouragement. 

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Oops! Sorry, B-Roc.  . Is your kitty still seemingly more comfortable? 

The pain medication helps for sure but she is still lethargic, doesn't meow and doesn't come to see us when we come home. I tend to think that she does not have stomatitis as she only has swelling on one side and a lump behind / below the corner of her mouth and none of the bad breath, difficulty eating, red gums, etc. symptoms.  I’m really hoping its not cancer and just an abscess or something simple.  We’ll finish the steroids and pain meds and then follow up with the vet again to determine if a biopsy or x-ray and bloodwork is the more appropriate path.

B-Roc, do you have an actual veterinary dentist you can go to?
For what you are describing I would not wait... I would consider this a need for an emergency dental visit- not one where the vet just examines her mouth and that's it.
She needs to be under anesthesia, have x-rays and have whatever is bothering her taking care of immediately.
I have a cat with Stomatitis, he was treated locally at the Dallas clinic with the Syrup with wonderful results.
To me, what you are describing is your cat is in great deal of pain.
One thing that Stomatitis comes with, unfortunately, is dental issues. Infections, periodontal disease, abscesses.... It all comes with the territory. And oftentimes it is below the gum line and a vet can not see it unless the cat is under anesthesia and x-rays are done.
Heck, I had an instance that the gum had to be opened for the entire situation to be accessed.
Please, please, all these signs you are describing are clear signs of pain.
The hiding, not coming when called.... And the fact that she has a lump?
I would highly recommend you going to a dentist tomorrow, and if you don't have one, have your vet perform a through dental on her. But don't wait up....
Plus, an infection like this when not treated can in the future come to affect her organs, such as her kidneys.
I hope you take her soon. All the Vibes in the world for her and you