I initially got the sample packet and both our kitties dug into it immediately. they loved it.
Yeah, I think I have seen most, if not all, the posts regarding the "which is better" debate. What prompted my question was that so many people seem to think Orijen is just fabulously better than anything else available. I was expecting (hoping?) some of those people would post something like "Orijen is obviously a better food than EVO because ...".Originally Posted by icklemiss21
http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123807
http://thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125109
The two bigger posts on the differences between all the grain frees (some have undergone some formula changes recently so info may not be completely up to date)
Not too much .. you just need more info ...lol.. Zoey loved it thou it will be very hard for me to get ... I Like it over EVO in many ways but the UTI sealed it thou I am not happy about a every changing formula ... All the potato grain frees have the draw back of seeing HIGHER insidence of diabetes( thou in some it cures it go figure) tummy issues ( EVO is the top in that) causeing UTI issues ( orijen and serengetti seem not to )Originally Posted by mschauer
Yeah, I think I have seen most, if not all, the posts regarding the "which is better" debate. What prompted my question was that so many people seem to think Orijen is just fabulously better than anything else available. I was expecting (hoping?) some of those people would post something like "Orijen is obviously a better food than EVO because ...".
I know that some believe Orijen to be better for UT health but the first thread above shows there is disagreement on that.
I think I'm not making clear it is the "over the top" reaction to Orijen that has me befuddled. And I don't mean the people who like it just because their cats like it. I mean people who have never even tried it and bemoan the fact that it isn't readily available in the US.
Maybe I'm just making too much of it ...
Serengeti is what I have been feeding since the end of March I believe. I like it and the babes like it. I have not tried Orijen but considered it at one time. I decided against it mainly on the fact I could not get a good enough deal on it online. But as for ingredients in both well they look alright to me. Plus they both are grain free which is a big plus.Originally Posted by Bazkitty
How does Orijen compare to Serengeti in your opinion?
I'd be interested in your source of information. I've never read anyplace about higher rates of diabetes and UTI with grain frees that include potato.Originally Posted by sharky
Not too much .. you just need more info ...lol.. Zoey loved it thou it will be very hard for me to get ... I Like it over EVO in many ways but the UTI sealed it thou I am not happy about a every changing formula ... All the potato grain frees have the draw back of seeing HIGHER insidence of diabetes( thou in some it cures it go figure) tummy issues ( EVO is the top in that) causeing UTI issues ( orijen and serengetti seem not to )
talking with vets ... mine and others in the area ... EVO can increase UTI issues this is from area vets holistic and NON ... as my vet says she recomend s EVO unless there is a UTI history ( note none have been on the market long enough to really know long term effects ).... Potato s are supect in higher diabetes in cats ( read a few studies that were not just grain freeOriginally Posted by mschauer
I'd be interested in your source of information. I've never read anyplace about higher rates of diabetes and UTI with grain frees that include potato.
Do your sources specifically call out EVO, Orijen and Serengetti as having or not having these problems?
Ie commonly called in the herbal world CORN SILK ... it is a great herb and I will detail it laterOriginally Posted by icklemiss21
Sharky, Orijen got back to me, the ingredients on their website are correct, but zea mays is the silvery stuff on the inside of corn leaves not the actual corn and is considered a botanical not a grain.
Potato the russet or white ELEVATES the blood sugar rapidly ... Yes in some cases it work s great for a control from a higher starch level food ... Sweet potato does NOT elevateOriginally Posted by icklemiss21
I read somewhere (and I will try to find the link) that low carb foods were diabetes friendly as the less carbohydrate 'fillers', which are stored as sugars, the better the body absorbs the nutients that it needs to live and improves insulin resistence. However, the higher fat content can lead to the nutients not being absorbed fully, particularly during the change over period and when switching from a low grade filler type food.
I haven't however read anything that states potato as the problem.
thanks, if you go back to my post where I quoted he said that many of the 'changes' were just to names to satisfy the AAFCO and similar governing bodies in other countriesOriginally Posted by sharky
Ie commonly called in the herbal world CORN SILK ... it is a great herb and I will detail it later
Missed that but it makes sense/// I just wanted the common name so folks can look it up.. Thank you for clarifyingOriginally Posted by icklemiss21
thanks, if you go back to my post where I quoted he said that many of the 'changes' were just to names to satisfy the AAFCO and similar governing bodies in other countries