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The well-known problem of IBD or lymphoma and pancreatitis
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I'm just now catching up with some threads and a little late responding here.
@arinlars, nice to read an update. You're taking great care of Mimi - ups and downs and all.
I'm sorry about the ulcer. How is that now?
@arinlars, nice to read an update. You're taking great care of Mimi - ups and downs and all.
I'm sorry about the ulcer. How is that now?
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Ugh...I know what you mean! All three of mine get something different and I have to watch them like a hawk.She is better but she ate some of Merlin's royal canine s/o and she had diarrheait was bad for a day or two but she stabilized now. It's hard to have one cat with IBD and one with UTI!
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Hi all,
It's time to give another update about Mimi.
We went to her annual appointment with her cat internist. She looked at the old GI blood panel and while her regular vet said everything looks normal and good she was concerned about the low cobalamin or B12. She said since it's low again (I do GI blood panel every 6 months) she should get B12 injections every week for 6 weeks and then 1/month for life. She said at this point they don't know if it's small cell lymphoma especially without the biopsy but even if we did the biopsy we wouldn't see much because is in on the prednisolone which it's not news to me. But she also said even if it was, we would continue with prednisolone and another medication for chemo (prednisolone is also used for chemo). Her little belly was ok but her intestines where hard (again her ibd or lymphoma). I said the vet that she was diagnosed with IBD 1 year ago, if it was lymphoma we wouldn't be there right now no? The other vet agreed, she hesitated and said well.. it's a slow progress.
Meanwhile Mimi is doing great, she doesn't loose weight, she is full of energy and eats well. She only throws up like 2/ month and when she does it's because it's my fault cause I change her food because I think she is bored.
Of course I am sad and concerned but at this point I really don't have other options.. It's the prednisolone for life and good food, good probiotics and cross our fingers. I realized today that Mimi lives like a princess. Good food, superb kitty litter, toys, lots of catnip and tons of love. Whatever happens , she has a super nice life but I will fight for her super nice life. I may not have chosen biopsy but I trusted my instinct and my instinct tells me that Mimi has IBD. If I'm wrong, then the big guns go in (chemo).
I just wish they would fund more studies on ibd and small cell lymphoma so this should be once and for all solved. It's ridiculous that we live in 2015 and vets still cope with this ugh! We need more studies for these diseases!
Also a little tip: Mimi sometimes gorges the food because my other cat eats her food also, so I wash a little toy-ball and I put it in the plate. So she has to eat slowly and doesn't throw up.
It's time to give another update about Mimi.
We went to her annual appointment with her cat internist. She looked at the old GI blood panel and while her regular vet said everything looks normal and good she was concerned about the low cobalamin or B12. She said since it's low again (I do GI blood panel every 6 months) she should get B12 injections every week for 6 weeks and then 1/month for life. She said at this point they don't know if it's small cell lymphoma especially without the biopsy but even if we did the biopsy we wouldn't see much because is in on the prednisolone which it's not news to me. But she also said even if it was, we would continue with prednisolone and another medication for chemo (prednisolone is also used for chemo). Her little belly was ok but her intestines where hard (again her ibd or lymphoma). I said the vet that she was diagnosed with IBD 1 year ago, if it was lymphoma we wouldn't be there right now no? The other vet agreed, she hesitated and said well.. it's a slow progress.
Meanwhile Mimi is doing great, she doesn't loose weight, she is full of energy and eats well. She only throws up like 2/ month and when she does it's because it's my fault cause I change her food because I think she is bored.
Of course I am sad and concerned but at this point I really don't have other options.. It's the prednisolone for life and good food, good probiotics and cross our fingers. I realized today that Mimi lives like a princess. Good food, superb kitty litter, toys, lots of catnip and tons of love. Whatever happens , she has a super nice life but I will fight for her super nice life. I may not have chosen biopsy but I trusted my instinct and my instinct tells me that Mimi has IBD. If I'm wrong, then the big guns go in (chemo).
I just wish they would fund more studies on ibd and small cell lymphoma so this should be once and for all solved. It's ridiculous that we live in 2015 and vets still cope with this ugh! We need more studies for these diseases!
Also a little tip: Mimi sometimes gorges the food because my other cat eats her food also, so I wash a little toy-ball and I put it in the plate. So she has to eat slowly and doesn't throw up.
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Hi, Arinlars: Glad to hear your Mimi is doing well. I have a similar situation with my Obi. How old is Mimi? Obi is 15. He too is on pred for the rest of his life. I believe that when cancer is present there is often a kind of cell in the picture, or protein in the urine. I keep going back to the crap that is in most commercial cat foods. My cats now will never have anything other than Nature's Variety limited ingredients. If lots of cats get GI disease, its a logical assumption that maybe t heir food is the culprit.
I'm glad that Mimi is doing really well!
I'm in the exact same situation with Sebastian, so I completely understand - abnormal bowel loops, IBD or lymphoma, on pred, B12 injections, no biopsy, maybe chemo when its time....just doing the best we can.
Unfortunately, I have little faith in "them" (whoever "they" are) finding a cure. IBD is shamefully profitable - medications, prescription foods, vet visits, special blood tests, diagnostic imaging, etc.
I'm in the exact same situation with Sebastian, so I completely understand - abnormal bowel loops, IBD or lymphoma, on pred, B12 injections, no biopsy, maybe chemo when its time....just doing the best we can.
Unfortunately, I have little faith in "them" (whoever "they" are) finding a cure. IBD is shamefully profitable - medications, prescription foods, vet visits, special blood tests, diagnostic imaging, etc.
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Go: Its the same in human medicine.
I am so glad Mimi is doing so well!! It is such an incredible feeling to know you are doing the right thing in making them feel better...
I did have the endo biopsy with Artie. He is now in the process of tapering his meds!!! He is still taking 1/2 cc of prednisolone.
He is eating really good. Yes, I think he will be on the steroid for the rest of his life.
I am giving him the Pride rabbit, which is a combo of pork and rabbit. He really likes it! He still refuses plain ltd ingredient rabbit. I still try though. I am using Nature's Variety products. I do not think I will change.
Artie does like the NV ltd ingredient dry rabbit though. I give it to him as treats.
I also agree that it seems a lot of this is from the junk in the crappy foods. Who really knows what is added to them..If you have a junk food cat, then I thnk the possibilities of having more serioius disease is increased. Just my opinion....
I cannot imagine having cats on different foods.. It must be so hard to keep them away from what is not good for them.
I did not mean to hijack this thread.
It is good to see a great update!
Yes, they do not know much about the cause of human IBD also. They have more information from dealing with cats. The current thinking is that it is food allergy related and a reaction to all the added junk there is in food.. This is a radical thought in the field of medicine. Many doctors do not believe in this thinking. They re the old school ones.
I think they should all take a look, learn and apply everything from the Vets have dealing with IBD cats....It seems to be the appropriate treatment...
I did have the endo biopsy with Artie. He is now in the process of tapering his meds!!! He is still taking 1/2 cc of prednisolone.
He is eating really good. Yes, I think he will be on the steroid for the rest of his life.
I am giving him the Pride rabbit, which is a combo of pork and rabbit. He really likes it! He still refuses plain ltd ingredient rabbit. I still try though. I am using Nature's Variety products. I do not think I will change.
Artie does like the NV ltd ingredient dry rabbit though. I give it to him as treats.
I also agree that it seems a lot of this is from the junk in the crappy foods. Who really knows what is added to them..If you have a junk food cat, then I thnk the possibilities of having more serioius disease is increased. Just my opinion....
I cannot imagine having cats on different foods.. It must be so hard to keep them away from what is not good for them.
I did not mean to hijack this thread.
It is good to see a great update!
Yes, they do not know much about the cause of human IBD also. They have more information from dealing with cats. The current thinking is that it is food allergy related and a reaction to all the added junk there is in food.. This is a radical thought in the field of medicine. Many doctors do not believe in this thinking. They re the old school ones.
I think they should all take a look, learn and apply everything from the Vets have dealing with IBD cats....It seems to be the appropriate treatment...
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Hi Artie's mom! I happy that Artie it doing well too! He looks like my Mimi.
I have her now again on every day prednisolone but 2.5 mg. She is vomiting again and I think it's my fault. She sometimes refuses to eat and I buy her other foods with no grain no carageenan and then it's all over the place. The she acts like nothing happened and eats it again lol.
I guess I cannot stay away from dehydrated raw food. We tried pride but she doesn't like it unless she is sick, the she eats the beef and venison. (and they are so expensive . She doesn't do well with the ones without the limited ingredients.
I just made some slippery elm bark to put in her food the rest of the week.
It's weird when they puke all over the place and then they are frisky and ready to play. If that happened to me I would be so moody and exhausted. Where do they get this energy!
I have her now again on every day prednisolone but 2.5 mg. She is vomiting again and I think it's my fault. She sometimes refuses to eat and I buy her other foods with no grain no carageenan and then it's all over the place. The she acts like nothing happened and eats it again lol.
I guess I cannot stay away from dehydrated raw food. We tried pride but she doesn't like it unless she is sick, the she eats the beef and venison. (and they are so expensive
. She doesn't do well with the ones without the limited ingredients. I just made some slippery elm bark to put in her food the rest of the week.
It's weird when they puke all over the place and then they are frisky and ready to play. If that happened to me I would be so moody and exhausted. Where do they get this energy!
Hi arinlars!
Glad Mimi is feeling better!
Yes, Artie acted that exact same way! He would eat, then sit in front of me, vomit and go off to play. I thought he was regurgitating food. So I gave him a smaller amount. Same thing happened. That is went the light bulb went off in my head about it possibly being a food allergy. I took the chicken food away. He has not vomited since! That was in May, several days before he saw the specialist and had the biopsy. It was just a hunch, after a lot of reading on the subject.
That is something you could try, on your own.
You may just have to bite the bullet and stay on the dehydrated raw food.
I have to get going now. Artie has his appointment this morning. I still have dishes to do, pick up a bit around here, give him the steroid, take a shower.
I can save the pepcid for later this afternoon. I do not want to stress him too much this morning..poor thing...
Glad Mimi is feeling better!
Yes, Artie acted that exact same way! He would eat, then sit in front of me, vomit and go off to play. I thought he was regurgitating food. So I gave him a smaller amount. Same thing happened. That is went the light bulb went off in my head about it possibly being a food allergy. I took the chicken food away. He has not vomited since! That was in May, several days before he saw the specialist and had the biopsy. It was just a hunch, after a lot of reading on the subject.
That is something you could try, on your own.
You may just have to bite the bullet and stay on the dehydrated raw food.
I have to get going now. Artie has his appointment this morning. I still have dishes to do, pick up a bit around here, give him the steroid, take a shower.
I can save the pepcid for later this afternoon. I do not want to stress him too much this morning..poor thing...
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Hello hello!
It was this time of the year again where Mimi had to go and get a GI blood work done.
So I have some not so good news because her regular vet doesn't know what her blood work means so I have to wait until Tuesday where her internist calls us and explains.
Her TLI, Folate, B12 (although she get B12 shots maybe that why is high), Amylase and Lipase are high. I did a research and it suggests she may have chronic pancreatitis or EPI and I am shocked. Now what? I have no idea what this disease is! IBD and Pacreatitis is too much.. Mimi is fine she is playing, happy, she has occasional episodes of diarrhea once a month and vomiting 2 times a month. Other than that she is fine!
Any suggestions? Mimi is not loosing weight and eating normal.
It was this time of the year again where Mimi had to go and get a GI blood work done.
So I have some not so good news because her regular vet doesn't know what her blood work means so I have to wait until Tuesday where her internist calls us and explains.
Her TLI, Folate, B12 (although she get B12 shots maybe that why is high), Amylase and Lipase are high. I did a research and it suggests she may have chronic pancreatitis or EPI and I am shocked. Now what? I have no idea what this disease is! IBD and Pacreatitis is too much.. Mimi is fine she is playing, happy, she has occasional episodes of diarrhea once a month and vomiting 2 times a month. Other than that she is fine!
Any suggestions?
Mimi is not loosing weight and eating normal.
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Hi all,
Mimi is not doing very good, she has no energy but eating well. 2 weeks ago I changed her food and she started vomiting and having diarrhea, then I changed her dosage of prednisolone after I talked to the vet.
Now it seems that she is just sitting in the "breadloaf" position and looks like she is in pain.
I tried adding goat's milk in the food after recommendation from a friend and she loves it.
I am going again to the vet today but I am really worried at this point. She lost 500 grams too
I feel it's my fault for changing the food. It was just 3 cans of grain free nice food.. argh.
Mimi is not doing very good, she has no energy but eating well. 2 weeks ago I changed her food and she started vomiting and having diarrhea, then I changed her dosage of prednisolone after I talked to the vet.
Now it seems that she is just sitting in the "breadloaf" position and looks like she is in pain.
I tried adding goat's milk in the food after recommendation from a friend and she loves it.
I am going again to the vet today but I am really worried at this point. She lost 500 grams too
I feel it's my fault for changing the food. It was just 3 cans of grain free nice food.. argh.
Oh--I am so sorry....((hugs))
I can really understand how you are feeling.
I hope your Vet can shed some light on this.
I am not an advisor or even have much information; but as being the guardian of a recently diagnosed IBD kitty, I have done a lot of reading. The moderators, advisors on this site will come forward very soon with their guidance and help. They have helped me so much more than any other site. They are good people.
But I will try, just so you know people are here for you and Mimi/
What type of food was she eating before the change over?
I know you were thinking of doing the best thing for her. Could she be allergic to that food?
How did you change the dose of ? If the prednisolone was decreased, I would think that could account for her back slide.
She could also just be having a flair. I know those are common in IBD kitties. It could just be a coincidence with the new food. These IBD kitties are so tricky.
Please do not beat yourself up. You were trying to do your best. Your thoughts were to do the best thing for your kitty. You have good intentions.
Did you happen to have any of the original food with you? You could go back to feeding that.
She could also have pancreatitis flair. From what I understand, the treatment is pretty much the same as for IBD. I could be wrong, but that is what I thought. It is all so complicated. sigh....
Glad you are seeing the Vet today. Are you going to the specialist? I would think that would be warranted in this case.
Possibly a hydration and some extra anti nausea meds may help turn your baby around.
She could possibly be allergic to the protein in the new food. That is just a hunch.
With IBD, it is a crap shoot. One minute good, the next not...
When people ask me how Artie is doing, my new responses are either: "shush, I do not want to say'. or "Artie is Artie" or "In one of his spells"...
That is how unpredictable IBD is....
Please do not blame yourself. It may not even be related to the food. This could have been lingering for a while and just came to light.
Just looking back at a post from September. Her amylase was elevated then. This attack could be related to that.
I am wishing you and Mimi the best...
Please go easy on yourself.
Please keep us updated on what the Vet says...
I am on line quite a bit during the day; if that helps at all, for moral support. I can so easily put myself in your position. It is a horrible feeling. I panic each time my guy refuses to eat or does not eat much. I can so readily understand how you are feeling.
I can really understand how you are feeling.
I hope your Vet can shed some light on this.
I am not an advisor or even have much information; but as being the guardian of a recently diagnosed IBD kitty, I have done a lot of reading. The moderators, advisors on this site will come forward very soon with their guidance and help. They have helped me so much more than any other site. They are good people.
But I will try, just so you know people are here for you and Mimi/
What type of food was she eating before the change over?
I know you were thinking of doing the best thing for her. Could she be allergic to that food?
How did you change the dose of ? If the prednisolone was decreased, I would think that could account for her back slide.
She could also just be having a flair. I know those are common in IBD kitties. It could just be a coincidence with the new food. These IBD kitties are so tricky.
Please do not beat yourself up. You were trying to do your best. Your thoughts were to do the best thing for your kitty. You have good intentions.
Did you happen to have any of the original food with you? You could go back to feeding that.
She could also have pancreatitis flair. From what I understand, the treatment is pretty much the same as for IBD. I could be wrong, but that is what I thought. It is all so complicated. sigh....
Glad you are seeing the Vet today. Are you going to the specialist? I would think that would be warranted in this case.
Possibly a hydration and some extra anti nausea meds may help turn your baby around.
She could possibly be allergic to the protein in the new food. That is just a hunch.
With IBD, it is a crap shoot. One minute good, the next not...
When people ask me how Artie is doing, my new responses are either: "shush, I do not want to say'. or "Artie is Artie" or "In one of his spells"...
That is how unpredictable IBD is....
Please do not blame yourself. It may not even be related to the food. This could have been lingering for a while and just came to light.
Just looking back at a post from September. Her amylase was elevated then. This attack could be related to that.
I am wishing you and Mimi the best...
Please go easy on yourself.
Please keep us updated on what the Vet says...
I am on line quite a bit during the day; if that helps at all, for moral support. I can so easily put myself in your position. It is a horrible feeling. I panic each time my guy refuses to eat or does not eat much. I can so readily understand how you are feeling.
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So is Mimi on Cerenia? I know one of the mods here has his cat on a maintenance dose of it. I give Obi a quarter of a pill once a week. If he vomits - which he did for two consecutive days a few weeks ago - I give it daily for 4 days, then every other day, then once a week. Is there a probiotic in the picture? it cant hurt....
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She was eating Stella & Chewy's freeze dried raw random flavors, either chicken or salmon. The I gave her some wet food that I think it was from Avoderm but it had guam gum inside so.. Now she is on the basics. NV instinct venison.. limited ingredient with some goat's powder milk, the expensive stuff!
I changed the dose after she started throwing up again to control her vomit and some mild diarrhea, From 2.5mg every other day she is 5mg every day. And I'm going to the vet again today
I have the food, I bought more and we are going to that again. I put her yesterday in our bedroom locked from the other cat and she ate a lot. I think she doesn't like Merlin at all and they always slap each other.
Thank you very much! I try and get all this stuff from all the recommendations I hear but Mimi is like "mmmh I don't like it! "
I am wishing you and Mimi the best...
Please go easy on yourself.
Mimi is on Cerenia but it's soooo expensive so today I am asking the vet if I can get a generic or something else. I do the same as you give it for 4 days.
I have probiotic, then I switched yesterday to goat's milk and she loves it.
I will keep you updated! If anything this post helps a lot of other people with IBD kitties :*(
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I would a. keep her on 5 mg of pred 2. keep her on NV. I am biased, I think that is great stuff and as you discovered, it has no additives or fillers. I give my 2 the rabbit, the chicken and the salmon. I dont know a lot about Goat's milk, is that treatment for IBD? do other give their kitties with GI disease goat milk??
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Yes, I will do this. I will let you know on Monday how she is doing again.
Goat's milk just has a bunch of probiotics this is the list. A coworker told me about her IBD kitty and that she loves this stuff. http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/pro-bloom
INGREDIENTS
Dehydrated goat's milk, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation product, dried candida rugosa fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation product, dried pineapple fermentation product; dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus brevis fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, dried streptococcus thermophiles fermentation product.
It also has: Amylase, Lipase, Bromalain, 5 billion active probiotics and digestive enzymes.
Idk it stinks really bad ( I hate goat's cheese and such) but if Mimi is purring I'm fine with it!
Goat's milk just has a bunch of probiotics this is the list. A coworker told me about her IBD kitty and that she loves this stuff. http://www.thehonestkitchen.com/pro-bloom
INGREDIENTS
Dehydrated goat's milk, dried aspergillus oryzae fermentation product, dried candida rugosa fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation product, dried pineapple fermentation product; dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus brevis fermentation product, dried bifidobacterium longum fermentation product, dried streptococcus thermophiles fermentation product.
It also has: Amylase, Lipase, Bromalain, 5 billion active probiotics and digestive enzymes.
Idk it stinks really bad ( I hate goat's cheese and such) but if Mimi is purring I'm fine with it!
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Bromelain bothers MY tummy..but I love goat cheese!
Is Mimi any better? I really hope so.
I did have to give Artie, Cerenia for a while. The dose was 5 days on and 2 days off. I gave him Zoran, twice a day on the off days.
I do agree that the 5 mg is a much better dose. That is what Artie is on; daily....It seems to help him so much.
I also give him the Proviable pro-biotic. That was prescribed by the Internal Med Vet. I get it without a prescription from Chewy. it is much cheaper to order from them. I tried the Forti-flora, on my own. The IM Vet said that contains animal digest; and who knows what that means..Artie is allergic to chicken; therefore animal digest could be chicken--and most possibly is...so beware of the pro-biotic you use...
Yes, I do agree on the NV ltd ingredient diet. It seems to be one of the best ones around. Stella and Chewy;s is great also...You have done good.
Before he was diagnosed with IBD, I did try the Avoderm for Artie. I really did not care for it...
That could be the cause of Mimi's issues. For some reason, I did not care for the amount of gravy to that of meat. Artie was not crazy about it also. I understand trying to find some inexpensive alternatives. I have come to the conclusion that; "you get what you pay for"...especially as far as feeding out babies.
Did you get to the Vet today? What did the Vet suggest?
I know Artie dislikes the NV ltd food. I did get him to eat Pride Rabbit. It is not a complete limited ingredient food. It contains pork and rabbit, along with carrots and spinach!!! It is not perfect, but it is so much better for him than the other junk he was eating. Artie was raised as a junk food junkie....Not with me..but his previous owners.
Please keep us updated...I am will be thinking about Mimi...((hugs))
I did have to give Artie, Cerenia for a while. The dose was 5 days on and 2 days off. I gave him Zoran, twice a day on the off days.
I do agree that the 5 mg is a much better dose. That is what Artie is on; daily....It seems to help him so much.
I also give him the Proviable pro-biotic. That was prescribed by the Internal Med Vet. I get it without a prescription from Chewy. it is much cheaper to order from them. I tried the Forti-flora, on my own. The IM Vet said that contains animal digest; and who knows what that means..Artie is allergic to chicken; therefore animal digest could be chicken--and most possibly is...so beware of the pro-biotic you use...
Yes, I do agree on the NV ltd ingredient diet. It seems to be one of the best ones around. Stella and Chewy;s is great also...You have done good.
Before he was diagnosed with IBD, I did try the Avoderm for Artie. I really did not care for it...
That could be the cause of Mimi's issues. For some reason, I did not care for the amount of gravy to that of meat. Artie was not crazy about it also. I understand trying to find some inexpensive alternatives. I have come to the conclusion that; "you get what you pay for"...especially as far as feeding out babies.
Did you get to the Vet today? What did the Vet suggest?
I know Artie dislikes the NV ltd food. I did get him to eat Pride Rabbit. It is not a complete limited ingredient food. It contains pork and rabbit, along with carrots and spinach!!! It is not perfect, but it is so much better for him than the other junk he was eating. Artie was raised as a junk food junkie....Not with me..but his previous owners.
Please keep us updated...I am will be thinking about Mimi...((hugs))
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