Slippery elm

[LTS3]

I don't know what Cat Lax looks like but probably some shade of brown color due to the malt.

 

[lisahe]

I just bought Celebration Herbals slippery elm bark powder for our cat yesterday, for nausea likely brought on by a hairball. Celebration seems to be a popular brand at natural food stores; I bought it at a pharmacy that carries herbal treatments, too. Do be careful with dosage as too much can (like pumpkin) apparently cause constipation.

I'm glad to read what mani writes about their cats and SEB, it's great to hear they're doing so well on it! Edwina has only been on it since yesterday but she seems to love the taste and it made an almost immediate improvement in her appetite since it soothes the stomach.

I second LTS3 's mention of egg yolk: our cats get 1/8 of a yolk each daily. The fur situation has been crazy lately, though, and even that and pumpkin and Vaseline and lots of brushing haven't been enough! Good luck!

 

[FeebysOwner]

Every cat is different, but I tried slippery elm for appetite/nausea issues - Feeby would not take it. When used for appetite problems it is supposed to be given ahead of a meal, so I tried it with it just a bite or so of food. Not sure if that applies to its use for constipation or not. The thing that makes me suspicious of some of these 'remedies' is the ones that can be used for either diarrhea or constipation, so I always wonder if you need to know what is behind either condition to know how/if the remedy will work on a particular cat.

I mean if it can correct one or the other, how do you know it isn't going to make one or the other worse? In Feeby's case she had neither - would her having taken it given her one or the other? I guess one can only try and see what happens.

 

[Madison P. McGuire's mom]

LTS3 Thanks. I did look it up and it does have that dark brown color. I am not sure if she would like it.

lisahe Thanks. I did order the Now brand and the st.christopher's brand but I am still open to try other brands. So I will definitely look into Celebration Herbals. I ordered from iherb.com due to the snow I couldn't make it to the store. Yeah I normally try not to give her too much pumpkin because when she has had the runs. In the past and I gave her some then she gets backed up for days.

FeebysOwner I agree with you on that. I have been trying to figure the cause of it too. She has been to so many vets this year. It does make me wonder if the pill pockets caused this because that seems to be the only constant this past year. I was actually thinking of feeby's nausea issue today. When Madison has appetite issues we give her oralade rf but it's really hard to find right now and you have to be careful with it because like 4 bottles I have gotten in the past look like there was leakage even though they didn't look completely opened. I know where the liquid is supposed to be filled to in the bottle. I believe that it helps her when she has poor appetites. The vet she is seeing most recently says it's a good product. It is supposed to help with nausea too. I usually only give her 1.25 ml once a day in the morning and she eats more throughout the day. I make ice cubes out of it and mix it with her breakfast. She won't drink it by itself. We have used it on and off this past year.
Madison can be very particular like when I make her food. Same exact plates sometimes different colors but not always with the same food. She will stop eating from one and want me to give her the other. So I have to make two plates everytime she eats and switch them back and forth. Gosh it just makes me love her more because of her uniqueness.

 

[mani]

The thing that makes me suspicious of some of these 'remedies' is the ones that can be used for either diarrhea or constipation, so I always wonder if you need to know what is behind either condition to know how/if the remedy will work on a particular cat.
I mean if it can correct one or the other, how do you know it isn't going to make one or the other worse? In Feeby's case she had neither - would her having taken it given her one or the other? I guess one can only try and see what happens.

Fibre (and I've found in my case, only certain fibres) can be good for normalising both diarrhea and constipation. I have crohn's disease and find slippery elm invaluable for that.
But you're right, you can't know whether it will work on a particular cat/human/whatever. I'm very suspicious of things people recommend that are 'wonderful for everything'. So-called 'superfoods' drive me spare. This is not that. And not all things work for all beings.
But I'm giving my experience of how slippery elm has worked for both me and my cats. For me, it was under advisement from my specialist. For the cats the vet said 'it's definitely worth a go'.

 

[lisahe]

Fibre (and I've found in my case, only certain fibres) can be good for normalising both diarrhea and constipation. I have crohn's disease and find slippery elm invaluable for that.
But you're right, you can't know whether it will work on a particular cat/human/whatever. I'm very suspicious of things people recommend that are 'wonderful for everything'. So-called 'superfoods' drive me spare. This is not that. And not all things work for all beings.
But I'm giving my experience of how slippery elm has worked for both me and my cats. For me, it was under advisement from my specialist. For the cats the vet said 'it's definitely worth a go'.

Thank you for this post, Mani, I was going to ask you about much and often you give slippery elm to your cats. My intent isn't to hijack the thread, particularly since your response might be instructive for the OP as well, even though their purpose is a bit different.

I've only been giving it to Edwina for a couple days but it really acted quickly to decrease her nausea, which was also likely caused by fur. (She's very fluffy and had been shedding profusely!)

 

[Astragal14]

FeebysOwner I agree with you on that. I have been trying to figure the cause of it too. She has been to so many vets this year. It does make me wonder if the pill pockets caused this because that seems to be the only constant this past year. I was actually thinking of feeby's nausea issue today. When Madison has appetite issues we give her oralade rf but it's really hard to find right now and you have to be careful with it because like 4 bottles I have gotten in the past look like there was leakage even though they didn't look completely opened. I know where the liquid is supposed to be filled to in the bottle. I believe that it helps her when she has poor appetites. The vet she is seeing most recently says it's a good product. It is supposed to help with nausea too. I usually only give her 1.25 ml once a day in the morning and she eats more throughout the day. I make ice cubes out of it and mix it with her breakfast. She won't drink it by itself. We have used it on and off this past year.

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I have a handful of recommendations for you and Madison but it would be very helpful to understand some specifics about Madison's situation. Can you give more information around when her problems began and what led to her initial vet visits (poor girl, that's a lot to go through in a year!)? What led you to slippery elm? And what foods and supplements is she taking (then and now)? I'm very curious about this!! You mentioned that some common meds and supplements don't work well for Madison, and I'm wondering if more detail could help us pinpoint what the issues are and offer more effective alternatives (honestly, I'm shocked that Visbiome hasn't worked for her, I've heard from so many veterinary nutritionists that Visbiome is the absolute gold standard for probiotics, it has worked wonders for my cat). Maybe it's something as simple as adjusting the moisture-to-fiber ratio in her diet, who knows? Wet food alone will rarely supply enough moisture if you are adding fiber to her diet, additional liquid is almost always needed.

Have you considered marshmallow root instead of slippery elm for constipation? They have very similar properties and both add mucilage to the intestinal tract, but marshmallow root is more effective than slippery elm at moving things through the intestines. One of my cats has IBD and we give him slippery elm on a daily basis to help manage his stomach acid. We add marshmallow root when he's having issues with hairballs. We use Animal Essentials Slippery Elm because it has been carefully crafted to have the ratio of slippery elm to liquid that is appropriate for animals and not humans.
Slippery Elm

Here is the list of constipation relief I would try, in order of increasing severity (i.e., mild to moderately severe). And of course, check with your vet before trying anything new or if Madison isn't getting better.

1. Marshmallow root (I love the Animal Essentials brand, and their Hairball Relief is just 100% pure marshmallow root)
Hairball Relief formula

2. Hairball chews/tablets - these do not have molasses, but be sure to add enough moisture for the amount of fiber you are giving her. I have personally used, and really like, the Vet's Best Hairball Relief tablets but we don't use them often. My cat who needs it does not like watery/soupy wet food, and the amount of added liquid this requires is more than my cat prefers. I have not tried the Vetri Science chews but I really like what I have tried from their brand, I would definitely try their chews if needed (this is non-prescription but only available through vet offices, and our vet has it shipped directly to us from an online pharmacy, check with your vet to see if they offer something similar).
VET'S BEST Chewable Tablets Hairball Control Supplement for Cats, 60 count - Chewy.com
Feline Furball Pro

3. Pumpkin products - we have used the Weruva chicken and pumpkin for mild cases (they also have a tuna flavor). I have not tried the Diggin' Firm Up pumpkin powder but it is very popular.
WERUVA Cats in the Kitchen Pumpkin Lickin' Chicken in Pumpkin Soup Grain-Free Cat Food Pouches, 3-oz pouch, case of 12 - Chewy.com
DIGGIN' YOUR DOG Firm Up! Pumpkin Super Dog & Cat Supplement, 4-oz bag - Chewy.com

4. Laxatone (but I know you mentioned this didn't work for her)

5. Miralax - did this not work for Madison, or did she not like eating it? Maybe tuna juice or chicken broth would make it more palatable if she didn't like eating it.

 

[Astragal14]

Thank you for this post, Mani, I was going to ask you about much and often you give slippery elm to your cats. My intent isn't to hijack the thread, particularly since your response might be instructive for the OP as well, even though their purpose is a bit different.

I've only been giving it to Edwina for a couple days but it really acted quickly to decrease her nausea, which was also likely caused by fur. (She's very fluffy and had been shedding profusely!)

Lisahe, we give our IBD cat Animal Essentials Slippery Elm, 0.6 mL on a daily basis. The recommended dosage is 0.25-0.5 mL 1-3x daily. It does a great job managing his stomach acid, which then manages the nausea caused by stomach acid. We add Animal Essentials Hairball Relief (marshmallow root) when needed because he will occasionally shed profusely as well! I'm glad your cat has responded so well to slippery elm!

 

[lisahe]

Lisahe, we give our IBD cat Animal Essentials Slippery Elm, 0.6 mL on a daily basis. The recommended dosage is 0.25-0.5 mL 1-3x daily. It does a great job managing his stomach acid, which then manages the nausea caused by stomach acid. We add Animal Essentials Hairball Relief (marshmallow root) when needed because he will occasionally shed profusely as well! I'm glad your cat has responded so well to slippery elm!

Thank you, Astragal14 ! I think my head will explode if I try to convert the grams in that dosage to the syrup I cooked up and have been feeding by the half-teaspoon! (I do think I still need to give her a full teaspoon dose once a day, at least for another day or two.) Edwina has always had problems with stomach acid, particularly during the night, so it's great to hear SEB helps your cat so much.

I have a brand-new bottle of Vet's Best tablets that I may try to switch over to fairly soon since I'm pretty sure the fur is part of the problem. If the fur really is at the root of her problem, I'm hoping (even thinking?!) the tablets can control her nausea. I don't think the extra water will be a problem for Edwina. Last week she was shedding horribly but she has seemed a bit better in the last couple of days.

Thanks again!

 

[Madison P. McGuire's mom]

Astragal14 Thank you so much. Ugh it's a lot of info I have several pdf I made with all of it that I bring to vets. Misdiagnoses, meds were prescribed at a high dose by one Vet and caused an overdose and vision problems. Another vet gave her meds that interacted with eachother. Two different vet had her on medication she didn't need. One was 4 months and another for 9 months. One vet drop her off a table. There are wrong info in most of her files because no one listens. Most vets will not form their own options and will just go over the last diagnosis without the proper info or the background info that pertains to her issues. She also was given so many antibiotics in such a short time span which she was having reactions to and the vets didn't listen. It has been a struggle trying to find her the proper help. I have several pdf with everything from meds, to question, to incidents and observations I have been doing research non stop for a year. I feel like the guy from Lorenzo oil. Most vets I have experienced are a one size fits all treatment plan. She is unique with everything and how she is that she needs a customized treatment plan. I am working with a decent vet now. However I might switch to a more experience one. Hard to find since so many older vets retired due to covid. She has seen over 18 vets this past year some specialist and emergency places. Out of All of that only 3 decent ones. One was an emergency vet, one was retiring and the other vets at the office aren't good and one I am seeing now. All I want is to find someone who will listen and help. I understand your concerns I have used pumpkin,laxatone,lactulose,petroleum, hairball treats and mirlax. I will look into the brand you recommend. I did read that it is better to make your own but if it is premade,safe and doesn't have anything besides water and the herb. Then it might be worth a shot. I prefer to go the holistic route with her because of all the bad stuff that has been put in her body. Most if which wasn't need. I saw some stuff in marshmallow root but I thought slippery elm is safer. Am I wong about this? Also slippery elm has nutrients in it too so it wouldn't be so bad for her. I have been reading on it for almost a year but because of the meds she was on for 9 months daily but we later found out she didn't need we didn't want to have the issue with the meds not being absorbed. Normally if anything effects absorption like fish oil and she is on an antibiotic I won't even combine those. It's just not fair that she has been through the ringer. She has had a very rough first couple of years before my boyfriend got her. It's sad and some of the things that physical happened to her in the past has been catching up to her now. He's had her for 10 years but I have know her for 7 years. She is the love of my life and all she deserves is to get the best help. The way her poop has been this past year has been a weird gummy dark consistency. We know this because since she first started having any help problems a year ago we decided to do around the clock care with her. So I do nights and my boyfriend days days. So we sleep opposite schedules. We text eachother when she poops or pees. As soon as she does one or the other we put it in a ziplock so we are aware of her bathroom habits and of the consistency and when she struggles.

 

[Madison P. McGuire's mom]

I did the math and figured how many ml of fluid per grams of food and how much her water intake should be and adjust it into to her food accordingly. 2 different vets gave me the wrong mls per a cat her size for water intake and it caused an issues as well. We found this out later on. With the visbiome I was adjusting the dosage. Only giving her half of it. When I gave her the hemp,krill and salmon I figured out how many ml per a dosage per a pound. Then I started working with that. We had her on .3ml of it when I was giving it. I think with the slippery elm I am only going to do it for a few days. At a small dosage once a day. Just because how her body is with things. I just need to figure out what the dosage is per pound or kg. I will probably do it a quarter or half of the dosage per her weight just to see how her body is with it. I believe she won't need more than that.

 

[CakesCats]

I also purchased that Animal Essence brand of Slippery Elm that Astragal14 mentioned. I've only used it for a few days though so can't give much input, but so far it's been well tolerated.
I'm curious what the vet told you about pill pockets? That's what I gave been giving my cat his pill in (well, a small piece of a pill pocket that I use to smash his pill into a normal hard treat).

 

[lisahe]

Astragal14 and mani or anyone else who's already used slippery elm bark, I'm just wondering how often (if at all?) your cat might barf anyway. I'm also wondering if you use maximum doses or lower ones. (It seems they often have ranges...) I've been using syrup that I made (1 t SEB powder to 1 C water); I used 1 teaspoon per dose when I started, then 1/2 teaspoon.

I ask because we've only been giving slippery elm to Edwina since Saturday and she did have a barf today at mid-day: just stomach acid, not too long after I gave her the SEB and literally right as I was going to get her food ready. I gave her another dose, waited a bit to feed her, and she's (knock wood, cross fingers, etc.) fine since. I probably cut back her dose too quickly since SEB can apparently cause constipation and I didn't want to risk that. I'd also noticed that she's seemed a bit less happy-looking in the mornings, making me wonder if she needs more at night and/or first thing in the morning. Based on the box, the fiber in the SEB actually seems to have been doing her good, so I'm going back to the higher amount of SEB.

M Madison P. McGuire's mom , I hope something there might be helpful for you since it does seem like the fiber has been good for Edwina! And she just laps the stuff up, she really enjoys it.

Thanks in advance for any help and thoughts anyone might have!

 

[mani]

lisahe my vet suggested I use the equivalent of one 'human' capsule per cat, which is definitely on the lower side. I mix it with their food.
My two were chronic barfers before I started with this.

 

[Madison P. McGuire's mom]

C CakesCats Thanks my boyfriend did mention that one when we were looking up brand but he was concerned about vegetable glycerin. However maybe it might be worth a shot since it is premade the dosage might be easier. I did also look up the marshmallow root mix they have that Astragal14 metioned. So they are definitely on the list of what we might try but of course we have to take baby steps to work with her. I wouldn't want to try too much too quick. So I found this info about it after doing a some deep research on greenies. Kinda came across accidentally because most info is hard to find. I generally look up everything I give her once or twice a week to make sure there are no recalls. However things fall through the cracks how I came across the issues with Forza10 was because chewy had delays in my order and they sent me an Amazon link to reorder and I looked at the negative reviews. I will include the link about greenies but you can also look it up on consumer affairs website. I mention it to an emergency vet once saying I never knew how bad it was until I saw it online and he said you'd be surprised how many dogs I have had to treat with that. He said that they are pretty bad. Seems around here most vets are dog oriented. I really think that feline veterinary should be completely separate degree from dogs. Cat's physiology, anatomy and chemistry are so different.

Top 498 Greenies Reviews

Oddly enough one of the things they mention is green poo with the treats which is something we noticed a few times a couple of years ago (like before 2020) but we just thought it was from the dry food mix we were giving her. We used to give her the greenies Smartbites as a treat every few weeks or months this was before 2021. Then in 2021 we had to give her the pill pocket daily. Usually we only used a very small amount except for the when we had to do it with antibiotics or with for a little while with the Antinol gelcaps. This was before we decided to cut open the gelcaps and add the liquid to the food. With the antibiotics because of the coating and the fact the pills were cut they needed to be wrapped completely. Sometimes she would get the pill pocket and spit out the pill. So unfortunately those times we had to rewrap the pill and give it to her again.

lisahe Thanks. I hope so her body is so sensitive Also when she had Fortiflora it gave her the runs. We tried it on two separate occasions after antibiotics. I was thinking about possibly going the yogurt route for a probiotic but maybe a little while after I am done with the slippery elm. Since I am not planning on using it long term for her. I know she isn't lactose intolerant. Growing up we used to have plain yogurt with every meal. I am so sorry to hear about Edwina. I hope you are able to help resolve her issues.

 

[Madison P. McGuire's mom]

Astragal14 I am disappointed about the visbiome. Two vets had mentioned it and I did research on it. It had the types of good bacteria she need. I was actually very excited about using it and it helping her.

 

[Astragal14]

Astragal14 and mani or anyone else who's already used slippery elm bark, I'm just wondering how often (if at all?) your cat might barf anyway. I'm also wondering if you use maximum doses or lower ones. (It seems they often have ranges...) I've been using syrup that I made (1 t SEB powder to 1 C water); I used 1 teaspoon per dose when I started, then 1/2 teaspoon.

I ask because we've only been giving slippery elm to Edwina since Saturday and she did have a barf today at mid-day: just stomach acid, not too long after I gave her the SEB and literally right as I was going to get her food ready. I gave her another dose, waited a bit to feed her, and she's (knock wood, cross fingers, etc.) fine since. I probably cut back her dose too quickly since SEB can apparently cause constipation and I didn't want to risk that. I'd also noticed that she's seemed a bit less happy-looking in the mornings, making me wonder if she needs more at night and/or first thing in the morning. Based on the box, the fiber in the SEB actually seems to have been doing her good, so I'm going back to the higher amount of SEB.

M Madison P. McGuire's mom , I hope something there might be helpful for you since it does seem like the fiber has been good for Edwina! And she just laps the stuff up, she really enjoys it.

Thanks in advance for any help and thoughts anyone might have!

Lisahe, does Edwina have bilious vomiting syndrome (BVS)? It occurs when an empty stomach is irritated by too much stomach acid, and vomiting is the only way to get rid of the excess acid. It's often successfully managed with a combination of food spacing (reducing time between meals and snacks), fiber (slows down how long food takes to exit the stomach), and supplements like slippery elm (helps manage how much stomach acid is produced).

My cat with IBD is prone to BVS in the early morning and, just like you mentioned with Edwina, I can tell when he is "less happy" in the mornings and not feeling 100%. We manage this through food spacing and slippery elm: Animal Essentials Slippery Elm with dinner and giving him a snack before before bedtime. His snack is usually two freeze dried chicken hearts (recommended by his holistic nutritionist) and the larger size also helps reduce stomach acid - the large bites means he has to chew more, and chewing produces more saliva, and saliva helps reduce excess stomach acid.

We're lucky that we can manage his BVS with slippery elm at dinner and a snack at bedtime. I met with one veterinary nutritionist whose dog had a worse case of BVS and food at bedtime wasn't enough to prevent early morning barfing. She wakes up early every day to give him a small snack about 2 hours before breakfast (so, around 5 a.m.). It doesn't have to be a large amount, just having something in the stomach will help the acid feel less nauseating.

Our IBD boy has meals at 7 am and 5 pm, and snacks around noon and 10:30 pm (and let's be real, he also gets a very tiny snack anytime he wants during the day, too). We give him 0.6 mL of Animal Essentials Slippery Elm with dinner (plus 0.5 mL of Animal Essentials Hairball Relief (marshmallow root) when he's shedding a lot), and then two freeze dried chicken hearts at bedtime. This routine has reduced BVS occurrences from 1-2 per week to once every few months. We've luckily never had an issue with constipation, we tried up to 0.75 mL of slippery elm and found that a little more than 0.5 mL was enough to manage his BVS.

 

[Astragal14]

Astragal14 I am disappointed about the visbiome. Two vets had mentioned it and I did research on it. It had the types of good bacteria she need. I was actually very excited about using it and it helping her.

Do you mind detailing what you give Madison on a daily or weekly basis? Knowing specific brands and flavors, the types of supplements and medications, and the time of day they're given could help. I wonder if her issues are compounded by certain ingredients or if nutrient absorption is affected by the timing of medications and supplements.

 

[lisahe]

Thank you everybody!

lisahe my vet suggested I use the equivalent of one 'human' capsule per cat, which is definitely on the lower side. I mix it with their food.
My two were chronic barfers before I started with this.

Thank you, mani ! One more question, if you don't mind: do you only give them one dose a day? Edwina's a chronic barfer, too, especially when she'd shedding, which of course she is now! I think the combination of age (hence lower motility), a change in the cats' diet (my fault, a really, really dumb response to their lowered winter appetite), and shedding in this on-again-off-again winter have become a perfect storm for her gut.

Lisahe, does Edwina have bilious vomiting syndrome (BVS)? It occurs when an empty stomach is irritated by too much stomach acid, and vomiting is the only way to get rid of the excess acid. It's often successfully managed with a combination of food spacing (reducing time between meals and snacks), fiber (slows down how long food takes to exit the stomach), and supplements like slippery elm (helps manage how much stomach acid is produced).

My cat with IBD is prone to BVS in the early morning and, just like you mentioned with Edwina, I can tell when he is "less happy" in the mornings and not feeling 100%. We manage this through food spacing and slippery elm: Animal Essentials Slippery Elm with dinner and giving him a snack before before bedtime. His snack is usually two freeze dried chicken hearts (recommended by his holistic nutritionist) and the larger size also helps reduce stomach acid - the large bites means he has to chew more, and chewing produces more saliva, and saliva helps reduce excess stomach acid.

Astragal14 , thank you so much for this! Yes, I think BVS pretty much sums up Edwina's problem. She's had it since we adopted her, though I didn't know it had a good/real name! We've managed it successfully until now with food spacing, lots of small meals a day plus a nighttime snack. Shedding has always caused extra problems, though.

I brought Edwina back to teaspoon doses of SEB syrup and am hoping that will do the trick (again!). She felt so much better so fast after I started her on the SEB on Saturday that I think I forgot I still need to ease her to whatever her new normal might be. Yesterday she was back to looking a little nauseous and hesitant around her food but that seems to be fading a little again today. Her digestive system has never been happy (she just gurgled behind my monitor, as if to prove my point -- she's always gurgled) and will never be normal, particularly given her food sensitivities and fluffiness. I've thought of her as "pre-IBD" almost since we adopted her. In addition to that, she and her sister are rescue cats: Edwina's always been insecure about where her next meal will come from and she and Ireland sometimes really get on each other's nerves. I'm sure that increases Edwina's stomach acid. ("Two queens!" is what the vet said when she first saw them. The vet also said that Siamese and Siamese mixes tend to have digestive issues. And Edwina proved her right very quickly.) In any case, I'm very grateful to know what you're doing with your cat: there are so many variations on the SEB theme that it's hard to know where to start. Chicken hearts are a great idea! Edwina loves Pure Bite type freeze-dried chicken treats (the Chewy knock-off is now the cats' favorite) but I'm going to order up some chicken hearts, too. I once bought some Bravo treats with chicken breast, liver, and heart, and the cats loved the heart pieces.

lisahe lisahe Thanks. I hope so her body is so sensitive Also when she had Fortiflora it gave her the runs. We tried it on two separate occasions after antibiotics. I was thinking about possibly going the yogurt route for a probiotic but maybe a little while after I am done with the slippery elm. Since I am not planning on using it long term for her. I know she isn't lactose intolerant. Growing up we used to have plain yogurt with every meal. I am so sorry to hear about Edwina. I hope you are able to help resolve her issues.

And thank you, M Madison P. McGuire's mom , for your kind words. Since you opened this thread to discuss SEB and constipation, I want to add that our other cat, Ireland, the one who tends to get constipated, seems to love the Vet's Best hairball prevention tablets. The cats do get egg yolk and pumpkin puree in some of their food to improve motility and though Ireland doesn't currently get too constipated -- judging from her visits the litter box and her never looking thoroughly nauseous or walking away from her food too much -- I'm hoping that maybe a tablet a day will give her a little boost, to ease her slight appetite swings a little more. I'll keep giving her little pieces over the next few days to see how she does since the ingredients sound like they'd be very good for her. Of course Edwina doesn't seem to like them much at all!

Thanks again to everybody!

 

[mani]

lisahe yes, just one a day. Always check with your vet, though.