My 10yr old indoor Cat Has Anemia & abdominal bleeding

[catwoman707]

This thread was started a month and a week ago.

I'm so sorry for everything you and your cat have and are going through too.

Honestly though, from the bottom of my heart, it seems the same as in the beginning, and still no clear answers.

I whole-heartedly agree with what goholistic said, despite the bad vet care you have received prior, I would be seriously considering a specialist, a veterinary teaching school would be ideal, as many times when there is a case as unusual as his is, they will not charge for his care.

I can't remember but was the fluid that leaks out tested at all?

I still feel he needs antibiotics. If you have them already, why not get him on them? They certainly can't make things worse, and might even make him better.

 

[reba]

Mellissa your go fund me page says the vet had you sign a waiver that you refused to put him down.  I've never seen that and it's not something I think the vet would do if he's out for the money.  You clearly love your pets and it breaks my heart to see the pictures of him when he was healthy, but it also breaks my heart to think that he is suffering.  If there's anything I've read over the years it's that cat's hide pain and if they are showing discomfort it is very, very bad for the cat.  You've done the responsible, loving thing and had him looked at and tested extensively;  4-5 vets is a pretty strong sample as far as exhausting the diagnostic possibilities.  And, on the other side of that, any vet who would run tests on an animal that they strongly suspect would be inconclusive is unethical as well.  And a holistic vet isn't a miracle cure that people just avail themselves of when traditional veterinary medicine fails.  I don't mean to be harsh here, but this has been at going on for more than a month.  That's a long time to suffer and when we have this kind of unilateral control (as we do with our pets) I think we have an ethical and spiritual obligation to step lightly and err on the side of caution.  You don't really know how he feels.  I'm just asking that you revisit that fact when making decisions about what to do.

 

[melsbabies]

Ok look, here's the thing I wish you all can see... The cup is both half empty and half full. It is only a matter of how you choose to look at it. I am posting primarily on the fact the empty half of the cup, because that is the part I am looking to fill. I am trying to fix what has been broken. Now.. I will say the bizarre thing about his wound is that it is self made by him so he can leak out these fluids, and when he is done draining it, it seems to shrink back to a smaller size, and the tummy clears up all over again. This needs to happen, because his body is attempting to rid itself from this poisen naturally. I believe that is why he is producing fluid to begin with. He is doing his part to get better, and I am doing mine to help him get better. This is a process, and it's just begun. Now, what I am trying to say is that there are many moments where I see him significantly doing much better, like after the fluid drains out, and he is clean and eating.. Or simply when he is being groomed.. His demeanor is one of a cat who is healthy and happy:.. He isn't showing that he is miserable to any degree. This is just something that needs to be treated vigorously, and that's what I do Monday - Friday.. Then my mother takes over Sat. & Sun. But he is cared for around the clock, and I am currently detoxing him with Calcium Montmorillonite clay, which I just received in the mail two days ago.. Along with another amazing product for the immunity called Transfer Factor.. And I have read stories about animals who were half dead who have made a full recovery with these products, so they need time to work. I am being consistent with treating him so far, and this morning, I like how he looks. He is also full of energy, walking around as needed. Something he wasn't doing before after being hospitalized without gasping for air. The only thing I am looking into doing with a vet is a biopsy.. I am interested in finding out what this fluid is and what's causing it to produce. I am also interested in updated blood work to check his hemoglobin production and white blood cell count, so I know that the anemia has improved (which I have seen on my own) .. And possibly another ultra sound to ensure there aren't any abnormal growth of lumps in the abdomen. Once I know that, I will feel more equipped with the direction I'm on with treatment. But it requires at least 1k for those three test plus the exam, and I don't have that, which is why I started my fund. This will be an on going thing.. I'm predicting, I could be wrong, but as I see it seems to come & go, and till these symthoms are all gone for good.. I will need to monitor them. I feel good about the treatment I have him on with homeopathic meds and holistic detoxes. This stuff works, I have read many stories on cats and dogs who have been in very terminal stages and have bounced back from this, and my cat is surrounded by love and care and peace day to day to help aid in his own capabilities to heal himself. The severity of his pain is not to the point to where I feel I must end his suffering, it's to the point that I say must be on top of treating him...and that's what I am doing. Vigorously. I wake up between 4-6am pending on when he is up, just to begin feeding him and medicating him these treatments. Again.. Just to reiterate to you that his is certainly NOT worst than he was before, he is significantly much better than he was before, on the contrary. But yes, it seems that way because I openly discuss the set backs I have with him on this forum because I am seeking answers, and direction.. Still. But overall, he's doing fine.. He is a work in progress.. And I won't give up on him. As for the Vet making me sign that release form, it doesn't mean he wasn't out for me money, they all are.. And not in the interest of the animal cause they would do more. Period. They got paid to do nothing, and in some cases, gave me back my cat worst than he was before. I release form must be kept for records as a LIABILITY. To cover their asses incase the animal dies shortly after, they don't want a case. That's ALL it's about. Has zero to do with anything else. It's called "an agenda". Example of how money hungry the vets are out here so they can maintain their "florida lifestyle"... The last specialist he seen did the same thing. Wrote me an estimate of 1487$ roughly almost 1500$.. And told me to save my money.. Not to get in debt, he doesn't feel it will do much for the cat to keep running test etc anyhow.. Recommended trying the antibiotics, and when I said I didn't have any more funds for them, being I just handed them 250$ JUST to look at him and say that to me (sickening)... The girl at the front said, hold on a sec., we have a donations section I can get you some to get you started ... She then have me 10 amoxicillin and I believe 7 of another kind.. Which I never gave him after reading the side effects. And then what do I get in the mail?? That's right.., a balance! Stating I owe them money for the antibiotics that they gave me. What happened to them giving me them as a so called "donation" to jump start me?? After all, I paid for them 10 times over! They took 250$ cash from me that day, and didn't treat my cat... All they did was tell me that the ultrasound came back negative as all the others did, and that more test need to be ran. Do you see why I can't stand these assholes?! This is why. They are all the same. There aren't any veternary schools here that offer anything. If it gets to the point that I feel I need more screening, there's a vet in Westin I have in mind that sounds extensive, but again... I don't have the funds to take him, I am already over 3k invested and in debt from this... And anyhow these jerks are over paid to do nothing for my animal! I am doing much much more for him on my own with what I have than any of them did! So that's that. That's where we stand loves. Thank you for your concern.. You are all wonderful humanitarian people. I appreciate that. I will continue to keep you posted. In the meantime, healing prayers are always welcomed, and if any of you can donate to my fund for him, I would be gratified. Thanks again. [emoji]10084[/emoji][emoji]10024[/emoji]

 

[melsbabies]

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These are just a few of the products I am giving my boy to get him better. As you can see why I am over my head in debt now. All of these investments in conjunction with the Vet bills, and meds I have already ordered refills for cause I'm running out of them.. So I am on top of him. It's only a matter of time before he is 100% better

 

[di and bob]

My heart goes out to you, I wish you all the luck and will keep you both in my thoughts and prayers. You have definitely gone 'above and beyond', and you will be blessed fro loving so much.

 

[zoneout]

You are in my thoughts and prayers for a steady and full recovery for your boy. What you have gone through with the vets unfortunately is not a unique experience. I pray you are rewarded for all your hard work. This can serve as a case study for others in the same predicament. Bless you.

 

[melsbabies]

Thank you guys so much. [emoji]10084[/emoji][emoji]10024[/emoji] I really appreciate the kind heart felt words. That is the primary reason why I have been as consistent as possible with this forum. In the event there is another unfortunate case like this one. I am actually hoping to raise awareness on the harmful side effects of vaccinating your pet, there are natural alternatives if you MUST. You can look online for alternatives, I know Hampl has one. I'm not interested in it, there's no need for it with an indoor cat like mine. They seem to cause more harm than good. I am looking forward to treating him naturally and detoxing him completely from this experience. Giving it all I got. And I mean... all! And some. I just got in the mail 3 books I am hoping to try, in addition to the one I purchased a week ago. Super excited to start this Journey in a new direction, stronger. This cat is spiritual like me.. He is not your average cat, he truly is special... And I will help him get through this! With the right tools, and faith in The Lord, there isn't a doctor out there who can do better for him than I can.

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When the Doctors decided to not have faith in him, I decided to not have faith in the Doctors.
I promised him I will do everything in my power to help him pull through this. He is depending on me, and I know that the secret these "Doctors" don't want you to know about is in natural holistic medicine. Because if we know the truth about how to cute ourselves, they would be out of work. So I am going to shame them, and tell the truth. This requires work like any other good thing... But he's well worth it, and I've decided that I will commit to him not only because I love him to pieces, because there is a greater cause here. And many people need to know that there are options, not just with our animals, but holistic medicine is also good for us! We can heal our illnesses the right way! These doctors have an agenda, and it's gotta stop. We must raise our level of awareness, and do what's right for ourselves and our loved ones.. Cause no one else will. [emoji]128591[/emoji][emoji]10084[/emoji][emoji]10024[/emoji][emoji]128062[/emoji][emoji]128519[/emoji]

 

[catwoman707]

I admire your strength through all of this, as well as your holistic approach, however have you considered that, while you may very well be on an excellent path to him getting well again holistically, that it's a very good idea to actually take him to a holistic vet?

Because while there are things/alternatives that can be given, they have studied and are experts in holistic medicine and may know how to address his problem more fully? Or at least guide/recommend?

I say this because my own cat has an issue and I am not getting anywhere with my vet, and now am looking into a holistic approach, but my lack of education tells me I should take her to one rather than attempt to treat her without some guidance.

Just a thought. I want to see him get through this too, as so many others here do as well !! 

 

[melsbabies]

I have sent all of the pictures I have taken as well as had phone conversations with Holistic vets/practitioners and I am currently treating him with guidance from them. That's where the medicine came from. I didn't just purchase these entirely on my own, I researched and asked questions, and this is what they recommended me to do. As I mentioned before, I am interested in having an updated blood work panel ran, as well as a biopsy and maybe even an ultra sound, but I am trying to raise money for that. That's why I started a fund for him. If you want to know more please PM me.
In the mean time, I am very confident that he is on the right track to healing. I started him on Reiki last night, and just gave him another session this morning, and I must say, he really takes well to it. He loves it, and I even incorporated some Massage modalities in the surrounding areas to aid in circulation. I have a Massage background, I completed a one year Program in 06, so I have alot of knowledge in that area. Reiki is new to me, especially on animals, but it's all one the same. Energy healing/vibrations. I was told by many clients/friends/family that I have a lot of energy running through my hands. It's powerful stuff. Before I found this book, I tried it on my own with minimal knowledge, and the funniest thing happened. I placed my hand near the area where he has his wound (abdomen) and he literally jumped up, and moved away from me. I am guessing the energy was too strong. I am getting a better understand of this technique now, little by little. I will be sure to keep you posted.

 

[janis]

Exactly the same thing is happening with my cat and exactly the same answers from the vets, they don't know!  He hasn't had a rabies vaccine so it isn't that.  He too is anaemic and dripping pink fluid all over the place, cleaning himself all the time.  Tomorrow I should have the results of his biopsy, the vets are driving me nuts 'cos I being billed and getting no answers in return.  I hope to have an answer tomorrow.

 

[melsbabies]

@janis wow! So sorry to hear that ( how old is your cat? God sent you, because I haven't written an update in a minute... And the update is that he is STILL dripping fluid from his abdominal area everywhere, it leaks all over my bed, floor, etc. I end up washing my bed sheets every single day. Mind you, I live in a condo where I must pay per use so it's really driving me crazy. Most importantly to see him with this problem. Ironically I am taking him tomorrow for a check up as well, this vet came recommended by a friend of mine. I am hoping to get a biopsy done as well. I am praying he does not have any tumors or abnormalities.. And that he is simply detoxing from the Vaccine. I also went on Hampl, and payed for the homeopath to customize meds specifically based upon his symthoms and diagnosis. They have some kind of scanner that can diagnose your animal with a full-body photo of them. And I don't doubt that it works because once she did this, she came back to me with a word for word description of what he is showing. It was insane! I would go to them and inquire if I were you! It only cost me 35$ for the scan, and total $130 for meds and express shipping to the US from Australia! It's great. I will be getting it in soon! Looking forward to it. I believe this is what will do the trick to end this for once and for all.

 

[melsbabies]

@janis please keep me posted on what they tell you. I am very curious to see if the biopsy was able to help diagnose your kitty. These vets all seem like idiots or they have an agenda... Because to run all these test, take all this money and not find ANYTHING is nonsense. Period.

 

[janis]

Hi, just came off the phone from my vet and saw your message. I'm afraid it is not good news. Last night I scoured the internet looking for answers to my ginger cat Bud's condition when I came across your thread. I can't believe your vets have not diagnosed the problem and you have gone to such lengths to find a solution. The results of Bud's biopsy is bad. He has cancer, angiosarcoma, it's cancer of the blood vessels in the skin. They cannot operate because it would mean removing the skin. My vet is going to look into whether there is any treatment whether chemo or steroids for him but the outlook is not good, he is 12. I took him to be checked today before getting the biopsy result and he had antibiotics and pain relief because he is in pain. I don't know what tomorrow will bring but if there is any treatment then he will have it but I won't prolong things if there is no hope. His legs swell up and go down again because it can affect the lymphatic system. I love my cat, he's my Buddy but I won't let him suffer. I'm sorry about your cat but you must tell your vets this and have a biopsy done, it's the only way you can be sure. Jx

 

[janis]

PS. My cat has only been losing fluid for 2 weeks. Yesterday he was sitting in a pool of it and it was all over his legs. Last night I took away his food and fed him raw mince to try to built him up a bit and this morning he hadn't lost fluid overnight, I thought he had developed a food intolerance but the biopsy proved me wrong. He is eating and using his litter tray but is in pain and discomfort. I have had so many animals over the years to know that some things are very hard to bear and it is better for them to have a good end than a bad end and if I have to have him PTS then I will but if I think there is a chance of him having a few months or years pain and discomfort free then I will give him that chance....but.....I will not let him suffer unecessarily. He is my best Budfy and I will not do that to him because I can't face the harsh reality of cancer. Jx

 

[catwoman707]

PS. My cat has only been losing fluid for 2 weeks. Yesterday he was sitting in a pool of it and it was all over his legs. Last night I took away his food and fed him raw mince to try to built him up a bit and this morning he hadn't lost fluid overnight, I thought he had developed a food intolerance but the biopsy proved me wrong. He is eating and using his litter tray but is in pain and discomfort. I have had so many animals over the years to know that some things are very hard to bear and it is better for them to have a good end than a bad end and if I have to have him PTS then I will but if I think there is a chance of him having a few months or years pain and discomfort free then I will give him that chance....but.....I will not let him suffer unecessarily. He is my best Budfy and I will not do that to him because I can't face the harsh reality of cancer. Jx

SO sorry to hear about your Buddy.

I also found this name variation.

http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/cancer/c_ct_hemangiosarcoma_skin

Sure does resemble the OP's cat's symptoms.

Hope for the best for both of you and your cats. 

 

[melsbabies]

@janis I just came back from the vet, and was very happy with my over all experience with them and their expertise. Went and did the Biopsy today and they also sent out a sample of the fluid that drained out after the biopsy was taken. I saw both samples, and even was there for the guy who picked them up to take them to the lab. They told me results will be in Between 4-7 days.. But that they will call me either way on Monday. I don't think this is cancer... He told me that this is NOT Abdominal bleeding/retention.. Because it isn't taking place internally, it is taking place beneath the skin externally.. And that this was a good thing. It is some sort of edema/sarcoma and that the biopsy will determine which was he wants to go with treatment. Now, either way, I will treat this homeopathically to avoid any side effects, being he mentioned all medicines will have side effects.. He said if this is Immune related, than he will suggest steroids for treatment, if there is Infection in the blood etc. Antibiotics etc. if neither, he wants to put in a drain, so all the fluid can be removed, and then righted the skin with a tummy tuck to keep fluid from building up there. I will keep you posted.. I'm sooo sorry to hear about your kitty ( please go to Hampl and check out there remedies and type your cats condition there and see what comes up. Speak to terry, it's 20$ to talk with her and ask a question online, send her all the info about your cat and they can customize a blend for you! Do whatever you can, chemo is torture for the cat, and most don't get much better from it. I look forward to hearing more from you. All the best! I will pray for you and your kitty. [emoji]128591[/emoji]

 

[janis]

I will be interested to hear and compare when your results come back. My understanding is that lymphedema/angiosarcoma is cancer. Do your cat's legs get swollen? One of my cats front legs is swollen and the back ones swell a little then go down again. Bud's oozing fluid again tonight from his abdomen but he's purring away and in good form even though reluctant to move about except for food or toilet. My vet may come up with steriod treatment hopefully. It's funny because when Bud was very young, about a year old, he had a similar though not so severe episode when he had what appeared to be unexplained bruising on his tummy and it cleared up without any treatment. By the way, I put an old towel on my bed so I can remove it and replace it with a clean one daily, I also put them in other places where Bud likes to sleep. I hope you have better news with your cat's biopsy. Jx

 

[melsbabies]

It's overwhelming how similar our situations are @janice. I too have towels everywhere, but most the time, the fluid is so excessive, he leaks right through them, and I end up having to wash my entire bed sheets all over again. It's so unfortunate that this is happening to our babies .. I pray to God this is just him detoxing from the metals in the Vaccine. Where exactly is the fluid coming from in your cat? How is it draining out of him?

 

[janis]

It's coming from the skin on his abdomen but the bruise like colour has spread right along his abdomen and under his chest, the vet shaved his fur in those areas when he took biopsies to see how far it had spread. He has 3 stitches in different areas where the biopsies were taken and funnily they are healing well. Angiosarcoma affects the lining of the blood vessels. Jx

 

[janis]

Is your cat losing condition, Bud is, it's been longer for your cat, I'm amazed he's not dehydrated. Bud isn't, all his bloods were normal except for the anaemia, I don't understand that when the biopsies show cancer. Jx