Kitten who can't move

zed xyzed

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Nov 10, 2015
Messages
3,786
Purraise
3,740
Location
Toronto Canada
Ok I am not a vet, but to expect and animal to recover from something this traumatic in a span of few days seems very unrealistic. He is eating and has made some improvement. I hope the little guy can prove the vet wrong.
 

hatchytt

TCS Member
Alpha Cat
Joined
Jan 14, 2016
Messages
569
Purraise
59
Location
Tucson, Arizona
Hmmm... I don't know that paresis would be irreversible. Especially since there has been some improvement.
 

artiemom

Artie, my Angel; a part of my heart
Top Cat
Joined
Dec 22, 2014
Messages
11,186
Purraise
23,356
Location
near Boston
What!!!

I do not understand.....

too much knowledge and too many Vets can be confusing.............



I would try another week and see if and how he improves... it has not even been an entire week....

give Reeves a chance....

I am still feeling positive...

Could I please ask you why you took him in for a third opinion?

I am thinking the 2nd Vet was more assuring..as was the first...

I am going to page @catwoman707    to see how she feels about this...
 

artiemom

Artie, my Angel; a part of my heart
Top Cat
Joined
Dec 22, 2014
Messages
11,186
Purraise
23,356
Location
near Boston
Please DO NOT GIVE UP on Reese!!!!

Did a quick look up of Paresis......do not believe that is the diagnosis...

I am Furious....can you tell..

PM me if you really want to know how I feel about this Vet....
 
Last edited:

Draco

NOT Malfoy!
Veteran
Joined
Apr 26, 2011
Messages
8,742
Purraise
2,808
Location
LawnGuyLand, NY
I would go to a different vet for sure.. is there any feline only specialists around you?

I am rooting for Reeves!
 

kittens mom

Kittens life was lost to a negligent veterinarian.
Top Cat
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
6,198
Purraise
3,964
Location
Moriarty, New Mexico
I just don't register pain on that face. Did he offer some anti inflammatory or steroids, pain medication. None of those are particularly expensive. If he is willing to eat and drink and you can help him eliminate I would go another week.  But we all understand that being the person up close and personal only you can make what you think is the best decision.  
 
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #68

jennyrosalie

TCS Member
Thread starter
Young Cat
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
92
Purraise
258
I'm saddened but I'm not giving up on him! I'll post longer later I'm currently at an appointment but I don't want yall to worry! I'm not giving up on my boy!
 

DreamerRose

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Dec 11, 2015
Messages
8,749
Purraise
11,089
Location
Naperville, IL
I just looked up paresis in cats on PetMD. No where does it say that paralysis is permanent. In fact, it says cats can recover quite quickly. I think this last vet just didn't want to bother with him. Go back to one of the first vets you went to and work with them. You've still got a few days until Friday, and as others have said, expecting results too quickly is unrealistic. Don't give up on him yet - not until you, the person caring for him, think there's just no future.
 

donutte

Professional cat sitter extraordinaire!
Top Cat
Joined
Apr 22, 2015
Messages
5,775
Purraise
2,554
Location
Northern suburbs of Chicago
The vet we saw tonight said to put him to sleep and that he won't get better if he hasn't in a week. He feels pain in every leg and he said he isn't paralyzed it's called pareesus? Or something where he feels pain and stretches but the legs don't work. He also said the muscles in his back legs are already gone. :( definitely not what we wanted to hear. I'm feeling pretty bad about things now when I was feeling positive.
There are sadly a LOT of vets out there that underestimate the lengths that one will go to in order to help a pet that truly does have a chance. Perhaps because so many just won't, or in some cases can't. But to not even offer the option to help? Now THAT saddens me.

I've seen cats that are miserable, and/or in pain. Reeves does NOT look like either of those.

I've often said that eating so often represents life as far as cats are concerned. This is no different. I see a lot of life in this little guy.
 

kittymomma1122

TCS Member
Alpha Cat
Joined
Oct 9, 2014
Messages
577
Purraise
99
Location
Michigan
I'm saddened but I'm not giving up on him! I'll post longer later I'm currently at an appointment but I don't want yall to worry! I'm not giving up on my boy!
I just read this thread. I am glad you are not giving up. Muscles will atropy without use, but are there little exercises you can do with them? I have no experience with paralized cats, but I worked my dad through 2 strokes. I took time off work during his PT times and learned what I needed to work on and when he wasnt in PT I did the work. Well worth the effort to try. He is a beautiful kitten.
 
Last edited:

misterwhiskers

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Dec 7, 2014
Messages
2,013
Purraise
714
I'm so glad you aren't giving up.

Is there any possibility (can experts weigh in?) that the shaking did not cause the paralysis? But instead could he have already been this way through ingestion or injury, and that's why he was caught?

I'm as desperate for answers as almost everyone save the op. As a kid, we found a young neighborhood stray in similar straits. He did recover but it took about a week for him to walk normally. The vet thought he was caught in a fan belt, but we had a kid in the neighborhood who liked to torture kittens, so I've always kinda wondered.

Sending prayers he can get better. The fact he was able to squirm earlier to he comfy sounded good, in my opinion.
 

DreamerRose

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Dec 11, 2015
Messages
8,749
Purraise
11,089
Location
Naperville, IL
Muscles do atrophy from lack of use, but it takes more than a week, many weeks in fact. I'm not too sure about that vet.
 

catwoman707

TCS Member
Veteran
Joined
Dec 16, 2011
Messages
7,689
Purraise
2,263
Location
Vallejo, CA
I'm saddened but I'm not giving up on him! I'll post longer later I'm currently at an appointment but I don't want yall to worry! I'm not giving up on my boy!
Well I'm sorry you had such a negative vet telling you there is no chance and to pts.

I've dealt with vets like that before, once is all it takes and I never will go back.

So he actually gave kitten a full on exam and determined he is never going to recover? How did he come to this conclusion?

No mention that several things can cause temporary paralysis? 

Pain on the spinal cord, neck, legs

Nerve and/or muscle inflammation

These are temporary. Spinal cord is not severed, he feels pain and reacts. He has improved just since you started this thread.

Read this, I know it's a bit complex but not bad.


Paralysis of a leg often results from damage to the peripheral spinal nerves. Paralysis of a front leg is usually associated with injury to the nerve roots in the neck or shoulder, or injury to the radial, median, or ulnar nerve in the leg. Paralysis of a hind leg is usually associated with injury to the nerve roots in the lower back or tailbone, or the femoral, sciatic, peroneal, or tibial nerve in the leg.
 Spinal reflexes, pain sensation, and the condition of the muscles in the affected limb are evaluated to identify the location of the injury. The closer a nerve injury is to the muscle, the better the outlook for recovery, so it is important to determine the exact location of the injury. The ability or inability of the animal to flex the joint and bear weight on the leg, and the presence or absence of pain sensation and reflexes at various places in the leg, depend on the site of the nerve damage. Within a short period, muscles wither and lose mass because of the lost nerve connection.
 Nerves regenerate slowly (at the rate of about 1 inch per month), and full functional recovery depends on the condition of the nerve sheath and on the distance between the injury and the muscle where the nerve ends. Some nerve injuries can resolve after several weeks or months; however, when total nerve rupture occurs, surgical reattachment is required for regeneration.
 
If an abnormal eye condition known as Horner's syndrome (pupil small, eyelid partially closed, and third eyelid elevated) is present on the same side of the body as a paralyzed front leg, then the nerve roots have been torn and the chances for recovery are minimal.
 If Horner's syndrome is not present with front leg paralysis, the outlook for recovery is much better.
 
Applying heat, performing massage, and stretching tendons should be done as directed to keep muscles, tendons, and joints of a paralyzed leg healthy while the nerve is regenerating.
 
No specific therapy is available to help nerve regeneration. Acupuncture can help recovery.
 If voluntary movement, pain sensation, and spinal reflexes improve over 1 to 2 months, the outlook for recovery is good. 

Look at all of the specialists who contributed this info.

 William B. Thomas, DVM, MS, DACVIM (Neurology); Kyle G. Braund, BVSc, MVSc, PhD, FRCVS, DACVIM (Neurology); Cheryl L. Chrisman, DVM, MS, EDS, DACVIM (Neurology); Caroline N. Hahn, DVM, MSc, PhD, DECEIM, DECVN, MRCVS; Charles M. Hendrix, DVM, PhD; Karen R. Munana, DVM, MS, DACVIM (Neurology); T. Mark Neer, DVM, DACVIM; Charles E. Rupprecht, VMD, MS, PhD; Robert Wylie, BVSc, QDA

I've also read on several sites that hydrotherapy can be VERY helpful.

Now, money is tight, so if he does not continue to improve slowly but surely like he is, I highly suggest one thing, it's called a myelogram. It's just x-rays, but with dye injected in to the spinal column which will show clearly if there has been spinal damage or not.

If not, the nerves can repair themselves, but it can take time.

Do your best to stay positive and focused, I have not changed my beliefs that he can recover.
 

kittens mom

Kittens life was lost to a negligent veterinarian.
Top Cat
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
6,198
Purraise
3,964
Location
Moriarty, New Mexico
 
Well I'm sorry you had such a negative vet telling you there is no chance and to pts.

I've dealt with vets like that before, once is all it takes and I never will go back.

So he actually gave kitten a full on exam and determined he is never going to recover? How did he come to this conclusion?

No mention that several things can cause temporary paralysis? 

Pain on the spinal cord, neck, legs

Nerve and/or muscle inflammation

These are temporary. Spinal cord is not severed, he feels pain and reacts. He has improved just since you started this thread.

Read this, I know it's a bit complex but not bad.


Paralysis of a leg often results from damage to the peripheral spinal nerves. Paralysis of a front leg is usually associated with injury to the nerve roots in the neck or shoulder, or injury to the radial, median, or ulnar nerve in the leg. Paralysis of a hind leg is usually associated with injury to the nerve roots in the lower back or tailbone, or the femoral, sciatic, peroneal, or tibial nerve in the leg.
 Spinal reflexes, pain sensation, and the condition of the muscles in the affected limb are evaluated to identify the location of the injury. The closer a nerve injury is to the muscle, the better the outlook for recovery, so it is important to determine the exact location of the injury. The ability or inability of the animal to flex the joint and bear weight on the leg, and the presence or absence of pain sensation and reflexes at various places in the leg, depend on the site of the nerve damage. Within a short period, muscles wither and lose mass because of the lost nerve connection.
 Nerves regenerate slowly (at the rate of about 1 inch per month), and full functional recovery depends on the condition of the nerve sheath and on the distance between the injury and the muscle where the nerve ends. Some nerve injuries can resolve after several weeks or months; however, when total nerve rupture occurs, surgical reattachment is required for regeneration.
 
If an abnormal eye condition known as Horner's syndrome (pupil small, eyelid partially closed, and third eyelid elevated) is present on the same side of the body as a paralyzed front leg, then the nerve roots have been torn and the chances for recovery are minimal.
 If Horner's syndrome is not present with front leg paralysis, the outlook for recovery is much better.
 
Applying heat, performing massage, and stretching tendons should be done as directed to keep muscles, tendons, and joints of a paralyzed leg healthy while the nerve is regenerating.
 
No specific therapy is available to help nerve regeneration. Acupuncture can help recovery.
 If voluntary movement, pain sensation, and spinal reflexes improve over 1 to 2 months, the outlook for recovery is good. 

Look at all of the specialists who contributed this info.

 William B. Thomas, DVM, MS, DACVIM (Neurology); Kyle G. Braund, BVSc, MVSc, PhD, FRCVS, DACVIM (Neurology); Cheryl L. Chrisman, DVM, MS, EDS, DACVIM (Neurology); Caroline N. Hahn, DVM, MSc, PhD, DECEIM, DECVN, MRCVS; Charles M. Hendrix, DVM, PhD; Karen R. Munana, DVM, MS, DACVIM (Neurology); T. Mark Neer, DVM, DACVIM; Charles E. Rupprecht, VMD, MS, PhD; Robert Wylie, BVSc, QDA

I've also read on several sites that hydrotherapy can be VERY helpful.

Now, money is tight, so if he does not continue to improve slowly but surely like he is, I highly suggest one thing, it's called a myelogram. It's just x-rays, but with dye injected in to the spinal column which will show clearly if there has been spinal damage or not.

If not, the nerves can repair themselves, but it can take time.

Do your best to stay positive and focused, I have not changed my beliefs that he can recover.
I would think a well nourished kitten would regenerate faster if they growing properly. Under 6 months is massive growth time.
 

catwoman707

TCS Member
Veteran
Joined
Dec 16, 2011
Messages
7,689
Purraise
2,263
Location
Vallejo, CA
 
I would think a well nourished kitten would regenerate faster if they growing properly. Under 6 months is massive growth time.
I absolutely agree, not an adult cat, his growth rate and repair rate should be much faster, excellent point!
 

kittens mom

Kittens life was lost to a negligent veterinarian.
Top Cat
Joined
Aug 27, 2015
Messages
6,198
Purraise
3,964
Location
Moriarty, New Mexico
 
I absolutely agree, not an adult cat, his growth rate and repair rate should be much faster, excellent point!
If the kitten continues to eat.

If the OP is able to help with urine and BM

The kitten is accepting of the medical treatment.

The most that can be done is supportive care.

And the fact that the OP is willing to provide that care.

Good vets look at the whole picture. Bad ones see a snapshot of the moment.
 
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #79

jennyrosalie

TCS Member
Thread starter
Young Cat
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
92
Purraise
258
So him being able to repair fast means you guys think he has a chance or getting better or no?
 

LotsOfFur

What greater gift than the love of a cat.
Top Cat
Joined
Jul 13, 2015
Messages
1,621
Purraise
634
Location
Texas
I say yes! One thing I've noticed while being a member here is that although everyone is supportive and wants all the kitties to pull through, we are realistic. I've seen people say what needs to be said even if it's not what we want to hear.
 
Top