hublebuble4 - pregnant cat

[stewball]

@k, I got the message. It's time enough to Think about it. And I understand that your, different cat owners with great experience on catsite that have sent a message recently, are right with your equal message to me. Anyway I want to publish (must take the photos first) some photos of the Little ones. They are now marching all over the floor in the bedroom, and eg, mother, look confused, thinking: "What can I do?".
Bf new neutered cat, who Before this happened, thought that he was the 'Casanova' of the appartment, is now more calm. But eg ignore him like he is something inferior. But that is how it is, I suppose? Some thoughts from the 'cat world' somewhere in Stockholm.

And I thought you were Dutch!

 

[hublebuble4]

It's nothing wrong to be a Dutch cat owner.

I'm just kidding.

 

[stewball]

I didn't mean that. Nothing wrong with being a Swedish cat owner either.
Maybe the name Peter made me think Dutch.

 

[hublebuble4]

Elsa Gloria is still acting like a perfect mother. But now she, after giving milk to the Little ones, she looks confused. And the Little ones is running all over the floor, playing with toys, or wrestling with each other.  It's nice to see the kittens growing up. Must publish a video in the next few Days. And I see no one interesting to develop a new breed pedigree - thinking of my Little two dark Brown kittens.

 

[stephiedoodle]

It would take life times to develop a new breed and unfortunetly I think you would have to start with pedigree's in order to recieve a pedigree status and you'd have to use many many cats as said before in posts above. It would be very time consuming not to mention costly as lets face it their would be stud fee's and all the rest and it would take many more breedings and cross breedings before all the kittens were born with the traits you desire and with moggie genes I highly doubt you would get all dark brown kittens with golden eyes. Plus you have to think about the pain all those little ladies would go through what with mating carrying between 4-6 kittens at an average and then birthing all of them. I can't see many people especially people on here wishing to pursue this with you.

 

[hublebuble4]

My answer is. You are right about this. Anyway I will show some photos of the kittens. I am sure that most of the cat owners think
 like I, that their/my kittens are the cutest. Well, I contacted a very few breeders of Bombay, Burmese cats, if my Little darling Elsa Gloria could have a meeting, mate, with some of their cats. Of course that was 100% naive of me. But I wanted eg to have kittens once. And then finally I bought Benjamin Franklin a real moggie. And who could expect that the outspring of these two black cats and moggies could be so cute. And expect the two of  them would be like two Little Brown bears? Anyway the breeding Project will not be anything, that's for sure. But I Think it's a pity for the cat World. Let's see what you say of the forur little kittens. I will publish a video in the next few Days here. But it's difficult, because dark cats are difficult to shoot (with cameras), because they are so dark.

 

[stephiedoodle]

I still find it odd that considering Elsa gloria is a black cat you still believe what you were told that she is burmese did her former owners have papers to prove she even has a smidge of burmese in her or did they have copies of papers to say her sire and dam were 100% and 75% burmese if not I think you have been led up the garden path so to speak and sold a cat who is in actuall fact just a generic moggie.

 

[hublebuble4]

I'm almost sure that eg is 100% Burmese and father 75% Burmese. But I will investigate more. If she is a Burmese-moggie, then she is more like a Bombay as she is black. The father Benjamin Franklin is in my opinion a beutiful cat. He is more Beautiful than eg. But he is a real moggie. The problem is: now eg is more grown up than me. Bf and I are still childish. And the 4 kittens are all unicolour. You must see the video that I will publish here in a few Days. They are, I must say, gorgeous all four. And they run and play all over the floors in the rooms. Eg looks like: what can I do? And nobody wants to develop the new pedigree 'Goldeneye Brown Bear Cat', that's a pity. Two kittens are dark Brown. I will Contact aRussian breeder, if they are interested. Personally I must say that the Russian Blue, particulary the one I have in one of my cat books, is one of the most Beautiful pedigree of all cats.

 

[stephiedoodle]

almost sure doesn't cut it without papers for her and her parents showing that they are in fact burmese she will never be classed as burmese and in all fairness if you think she more resembels a bombay then shes probably not burmese as she lacks the right colouration. I'm sorry but without proper documentation to prove she has burmese parantage the likely hood is you have been sold a moggy

Edit:

When I have compare photos you have posted of elsa gloria and the kittens to that of burmese cats and bombay I have to say and this is just from my very novice opinions and from working with no clear shots of elsa's face but she is well and truly the wrong colouring to be a burmese at the very least she would have to be a very dark brown and as in many posts you have said she is BLACK so burmese is very unlikely if her lines are supposedly as strong as you say that being of 100% from her momma and 75% from her daddy. Secondly I do not think she is a bombay either her head shape and ears to me seem all wrong though the eye and fur colouration is almost spot on but there are many many many BLACK FURRED YELLLOW EYED moggies in the world. Sorry but based on this I really do think you just have two black moggies and no trace or very very faint at a wild stab in the dark of any pedigree breed in either of your babies.

 

[hublebuble4]

Yes, but the odd thing is. I must ask the person/family who sold eg to me: what colour had mother to eg? If she was a Brown Burmese, then it make sence that two of her kittens are dark Brown. And I like very much the dark Brown Burmese. But the Burmese pedigree has a flat face. Eg's dark Brown kittens has a more 'bear' face. They are so cute. And I will Point out, that I am not AL ALL interested to earn Money when I sell the Little ones (how can I sell them? Love them all.). The thing is, as I do know so Little about cats and cat breeders, I don't know how often there are born dark Brown kittens? Often? If  answer is--> often, then it's no use to continue my efforts. If it is seldom, then I will try to inform some breeding firms/enthusiasts to support this cat colour - dark Brown. And I am sure that in for example Russia there must be many cat lovers who wants to have a Little bear cat in their home. Wait for my photos and videos. Me myself, for me it is impossible to develop a new breed. I am too old, and I'm just not a breeding cat person.

 

[stephiedoodle]

I doubt they have a bear like face bears have very long muzzles think like a dogs jaw... I doubt your kittens look like that and like I I doubt she was burmese the mother becuase you were not given copies of papers nor where you shown any evidence to show that this was true If eg was even remotely linked to burmese there would be some look of the breed about her which from what I can see there is none. Now I am unsubscribing from this thread as its infuriating me that you do not listen to the reason and advise of so many knowledgeable people who have owned and loved cats far longer than you or I.

 

[hublebuble4]

Ok, bye. My last Words to you is: I am almost 100% sure that eg is mother 100% Burmese and father 75% Burmese. I know the family who sold her to me. But that doesn't matter. So, good bye.

 

[tulosai]

 
Ok, bye. My last Words to you is: I am almost 100% sure that eg is mother 100% Burmese and father 75% Burmese. I know the family who sold her to me. But that doesn't matter. So, good bye.

I realize this is a hopeless case, but what you are saying makes so little sense to me that I feel obliged to ask:

Why on earth do you think they are Burmese? They do not look Burmese and there are no papers saying they are Burmese.  They are not Burmese.  What you 'think' does not matter.  In terms of breeds, you need  papers, even if the cats do look 100% like a certain breed.  In your case, eg looks nothing like that breed. She looks like every other black cat you could see on the street. You may know who sold you her, and they may have told you something, but they are either lying or incredibly ignorant if they think she is of a certain breed but have no papers confirming this.  She is not.

These are objective facts and the truth. People are entitled to feel whatever they want, feelings are not rational. However, people are not entitled to think whatever they want.  You have been presented with facts, which I understand you do not like, but you cannot refute, because they are objectively true.  To say or think otherwise is madness.

I can tell you love your cats but they are moggies, just like all other moggies, and you feel about them as all other owners feel about their cats. They are special to you, and you love them greatly, and that is appropriate and a feeling I share about my cats.  However, I realize my cats are not objectively special, and yours are not objectively special either.

Please do the responsible thing and get them ALL spayed and neutered.   At this point, I think you have had enough good advice and I hope that this conversation will die out, since you have been told the facts by multiple people and now you just have to decide what you're going to do with them.

 

[hublebuble4]

As Elsa Gloria is not 100% a Burmese, I know that she is a moggie. And father Benjamin Franklin is, let say, a 100% moggie cat. After many advices here on the catsite, bf is now neutered. But eg is feeding and educating her Little ones, and therefore I let her be 'non spayed' for a time to pass. I have said that I will publish a video and some photos of the Little kittens, and now I must do so. Furthermore I must say that moggies can have 'good genes', sometimes better than real pedigree cats. And I must say that both eg and bf have good genes. Bf is so athletic and I must say he is a hansome black cat. He jumps some meters without destroying anything. He is fantastic like a Spider Man cat. And eg is educating and feeding (the kittens start to eat cat food now) the kittens. And both eg and bf are so kind cats. So I understand that in England 90% of the cats are moggies. Concerning neutering and spaying the kittens, I start with vaccine against cat pest, get them chiped so they, all 4 kittens, all have a 'Moggie Book'.

 

[hublebuble4]

For cat lovers,

Of eg's the 4 kittens one is grey. This Little kitten will live his/her's cat Life in the district of Parma, Italy, in the future. I hope, and I am sure of, Little kitten, that you will have a nice cat Life there, because the family is nice with the new owner a 7 year old and nice girl

DSC_0064GREYKITTEN

• hublebuble4
• Feb 3, 2014

You are cute, but you are also a Little mischievous.

.

 

[jennyr]

Absolutely gorgeous kitten and I am glad you have found a home for him/her. Can I suggest you do not let the kittens go to their new homes before they are 10 weeks old at least. It is very important they stay with their mother till then as she can teach them cat manners and give them confidence to face the world. Too many people give kittens away as soon as they can eat by themselves and the kittens grow up unsocialised and liable to bite and scratch, as well as not knowing how to use a litterbox and other problems. Only the mother can really teach these important things.
I look forward to seeing more photos. Can you get someone to help you know what sex the kittens are?

 

[hublebuble4]

Thank you very much for the post. And thank you for the important advice. I will let mother eg teach them all 4 kittens how to behave well in the cat World with people.

My question is: are all kittens only interested in wrestling? And in sleeping? Anyway, I love them. Wait for some film-clip in the next few Days. I will visit the vet in some weeks from now. She will tell me what sex they are. The other Three are so similar, that I don't really kow who is who. But that time will come too when I realize that. Bye for now, peter

 

[molldee]

Be sure to go to the vet when the kittens start needing their shots!

 

[hublebuble4]

Yes, thanks for reminding me. Time pass fast. The kittens are furious in a nice way. Ok, they have wrestling matches with each other, but they also climb a cattree like they were squirrels. And poor mother Elsa Gloria look confused. Father Benjamin Franklin sometimes run after the Little ones, but they are fast and hide on the backside of a washing machine, and there they are untouchable. Funny kittens, I love them.

 

[hublebuble4]

I know that it must be very hard to create a new Clean pedigree and to start a breeding firm. But I also Think that there a too Little cat pedigree. Most of them are very nice, and some are odd. The ones that look nice are pedigree that some people like, and the ones that look a bit odd are pedigree that some people like. But looking at dogs, there are much more pedigree in the dog World. And i am convinced that there is a demand of more types of cat Clean pedigree. I wrote that I wanted someone to create a Little Brown bear like cat pedigree. And I am sure that many cat lovers would like to have a Brown bear like cat at home, but you cannot find that cat pedigree. Brown Burmese and Havanna Brown doesn't look lika a bear in the face, although they are nice looking cats. 

Since I had my 1st cat in spring 2013, I have noticed, that there are cats everywhere in my home Town Stockholm. I tell someone: "I have cats. "Me too, is the answer." And that's because most of the cats are Indoor cats. You never see them. Most of them are moggies, and so are my six cats. 

I will not start a firm creating a new pedigree. But I hope someone will. When will the new pedigree cat 'The Goldeneye Brown Bear Cat' appear in the cat World? Never? I googled of this dark Brown cat with a bear like face: and I found ONE!!! But this Little kitten they will sell for £ 50. And this Little kitten must have nice genes to mix with my Little Brown kittens. But in the end this will never happen. And I Think it is sad. But that is how it is. And as I have said Before, I'm no expert in cats. But I hope that the peices of cats will increase to have an equal high price like the prices are for dogs. All the best for the cats! More Clean pedigree of  cats = much higher prices and respect. But Always have respect also for moggies.

See the Little Brown cat here from Southampton. I will buy that one! But...:now i relized that I'm alone thinking like this. So my Little dark Brown kittens will live like moggie cats somewhere in other families. And the goldeneye Brown Bear Cat pedigree will vanish in the air of nowhere.

http://www.kittenads.co.uk/Southampton-Hampshire/J/kittens-for-sale.php

Bye for now.