After hairball surgery

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Irmik came home today. Cerenia will be injected every two days, it enjected today too. But again she's sitting like "I have stomachache, I have a problem". I am really sad.

I don't understand how hospital Vets, and Specialist Vets,...cannot figure out how to get a cat to start eating without pain,...during their clinic stay?

I am glad that your Irmik is home, though,...since I think that cats are less stressed, and more comfortable in their own homes, where everything is familiar.
Something within her system, is just causing her too much pain, while eating, before eating, or right after eating.
It could also be that the Ulcer that they saw on the Endoscope, is not healed, and the stomach acidity is bothering her.

I know that you are in a different country, and your Irmik's reports, will not be in english, but could you possibly post her last two blood work reports, here,? (just black out any identifying information, or crop it, resize it out.)
I actually would like to see the Endoscopic Report, or Ultrasound report,...but that would probably take 'google translate'...which does not often do a good job.

There is a recent thread, here, where the member's cat was diagnosed with having a "pyloric stenosis"...but with your Irmik, I would think that the Vets would surely see this with the endoscopy.
And then any "inflammation in the esophagus, or stomach", would also be seen, too.

Why do they not have better medicines to treat these "inflammations"?
What medications did they send you home with, for your Irmik?

I totally forgot to ask you before, but was Irmik only throwing up Bile, yellow, white or green liquid...or was it more foamy white?
Also, was there food digested in what she threw up, at all?
And how many hours after eating did she actually throw up?
Was it right away, or hours later?

(sorry for all the questions,...it's just that I'm getting kind of disappointed in Vet care over here, and it seems like it's the same every where, too.)
Especially for you, though, since you've done all the extended Diagnostics, and still the Vets cannot find something that works.

Even if they told you to feed a Recovery food, or bland food, or i/d diet...they should at least tell you what to expect...and how long she will be feeling this way.
Even giving you some gabapentin, or something to control the pain, that Irmik is feeling.
There must be some medications, or supplements, too, that would soothe her digestive tract...and that actually work within a week or two.

Are there Vet universities near you, that your Vet can consult with?

 

[Sevilay28]

I don't understand how hospital Vets, and Specialist Vets,...cannot figure out how to get a cat to start eating without pain,...during their clinic stay?

I really don't understand either. It is ridiculous that they are so helpless in this disease. Moreover, cats are creatures that vomit, shouldn't gastritis be common?

I am glad that your Irmik is home, though,...since I think that cats are less stressed, and more comfortable in their own homes, where everything is familiar.
Something within her system, is just causing her too much pain, while eating, before eating, or right after eating.
It could also be that the Ulcer that they saw on the Endoscope, is not healed, and the stomach acidity is bothering her

My instinct also tells me that the ulcer doesnt heal and causes pain every time food or feathers contact with it. This must be so painful for her...

I know that you are in a different country, and your Irmik's reports, will not be in english, but could you possibly post her last two blood work reports, here,? (just black out any identifying information, or crop it, resize it out.)
I actually would like to see the Endoscopic Report, or Ultrasound report,...but that would probably take 'google translate'...which does not often do a good job.

This is even more ridiculous. Doctors in Turkey give your report. But vets don't. They just say what they saw and what they did. We did X-rays, ultrasounds, endoscopy, so what? She had a blood test, I'll try to find it.

And then any "inflammation in the esophagus, or stomach", would also be seen, too

I remember that the Vet who did the endoscopy said there's no inflammation in esophagus. Just stomach.

What medications did they send you home with, for your Irmik?

Pantoprozole, some probiotic, sulfacrat(which is i cannot give it to her because it tastes awful and triggering her vomiting), and hills i/d food. A girl i spoke with whose cat had gastritis said there's this ''Viyo cat recuperation''. I'll also try it.

I totally forgot to ask you before, but was Irmik only throwing up Bile, yellow, white or green liquid...or was it more foamy white?
Also, was there food digested in what she threw up, at all?
And how many hours after eating did she actually throw up?
Was it right away, or hours later?

She vomits yellow until there's nothing left in her stomach. When it's gone, it turns white. At First, she vomits about an hour after eating. But then she drinks water, vomits, eats a food and vomits. The first is digested, the later is undigested. And before vomiting she does that sitting.

Even if they told you to feed a Recovery food, or bland food, or i/d diet...they should at least tell you what to expect...and how long she will be feeling this way.
Even giving you some gabapentin, or something to control the pain, that Irmik is feeling.
There must be some medications, or supplements, too, that would soothe her digestive tract...and that actually work within a week or two.

Are there Vet universities near you, that your Vet can consult with?

They say do this and she will get better, but she doesn't. A vet even said that if I shaved her vomiting would go away, but I didn't. I don't want to stress her out even more. Stress also triggers gastritis.
Actually, the last place I went to was university. We are currently trying her treatment and a little bit of the advice of those around me and here.

 

[Sevilay28]

She was injected with cerenia yesterday before she got home, this will hopefully keep her from throwing up until tomorrow morning. We need this for the medicine to work and for the stomach to renew itself. She shouldn't vomit.I've changed 3 cities so far. I've been to a lot of vets. I spent a lot of money. Irmik stayed in different cities for a month, far from me. Now there must be a solution. Enough is enough

 

[Sevilay28]

Hiiii!

 

[Sevilay28]

Good news, cerenia's effect lasts 24 hours but she didnt vomit for 48 hours!
YAYYYY! Maybe it's too early to say something but still YAYYYY

 

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Good news, cerenia's effect lasts 24 hours but she didnt vomit for 48 hours!
YAYYYY! Maybe it's too early to say something but still YAYYYY

YAYYYY! I'm going to say Yay, again! ..YAYYYY!
It doesn't matter if it's too early,...any little things to celebrate, is a good thing....and this is kind of huge... yay.

I found an excellent 'scientific artilcle' to read...but it's so slow going, because it has so much packed into it.
I think I read it briefly, then a second time,...and it's still taking me a while to absorb all the info, and try and understand it.
Here it is, just in case anyone wants to read it:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1098612X12473466

Hey, Sevilay28 ...those photos, above of your Irmik are Beautiful !!.
I especially like the ones where she is sleeping, on her side, and resting, but also the one where she is awake, (number 4 photo), and is laying with her front paws facing forward. She's so adorable, and her shaved areas make her front paws look like she is wearing 'long mittens', or 'long gloves on'

The one that cracked me up, laughing, so much...was the 3rd photo...where Irmik is laying on the sofa, and you drew...some bright red marks...on her shadow. LOL.
I cannot stop laughing when I see that photo.
It's just too funny.

It looks like Irmik is talking to her shadow, or her shadow is talking to her.

I think you should definitely post this photo,...in this thread: post funny picture and memes here

And give it a caption, like "I think my cat Irmik has an imaginary friend that likes talking to her"....Or
"My cat patiently listens while her cat friend talks to her", or 'I think my cat has a friend that stops by every sunny afternoon"...LOL.
..."just caught my cat having a conversation with another cool cat"...lol.
the possibilities are endless. It's just too hilarious of a photo.

Whatever caption you give it, it will be funny.
It probably does not even need a caption.
I swear, that photo deserves to be put up on the wall.
It's so good, and so creative, too.

Thanks for posting it.

 

[Sevilay28]

Hey, Sevilay28 Sevilay28 ...those photos, above of your Irmik are Beautiful !!.
I especially like the ones where she is sleeping, on her side, and resting, but also the one where she is awake, (number 4 photo), and is laying with her front paws facing forward. She's so adorable, and her shaved areas make her front paws look like she is wearing 'long mittens', or 'long gloves on'

Aww thank you for your nice comments.
Yes, it's like she has gloves, like a princess!
Hahaha I will definitely share the photo there, I liked it too because it shows the real face of İrmik As long as she's healthy, she can be as evil as she wants

Here it is, just in case anyone wants to read it:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/1098612X12473466

I also liked this article very much, if it goes like this, I will eventually become a veterinarian I am a student doctor, but I am more interested in veterinary medicine!

 

[Mamanyt1953]

That's WONDERFUL news! Every day without vomiting is one more day that her tummy has time to heal!

 

[Sevilay28]

hi guys, i would like to mention something that worries me, it's kind of like a diary here. We had cerenia on Wednesday, as you know, its effect lasts for 24 hours. On Thursday night, salivation started, I was so afraid she was going to vomit, I almost cried. She started licking the wall like she did before she vomited. I got pretty bad. Fortunately, she didn't vomit at night, but there was a lot of gas noise from her stomach throughout the night. The next day, that is today, salivation started again. I was so scared again, this girl is going to give me a heart attack. Today at 6 pm, we injected cerenia again. We plan to take the next dose 3 days later. Let's see what expecting us in these 3 days.

Maybe I should give sulfacrate for these salivations? But it tastes very bad. I'm afraid this will make her vomit.
I know this is a process, I want to believe that it will pass, but it is very difficult when you are in it.

 

[Mamanyt1953]

Ask the vet if he thinks that something to control gas might help. This is beginning to sound like a food allergy, in some ways.

 

[Sevilay28]

Do you think like that? But I changed the formula, 3 times. I gived a medicine for gas

 

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Did they ever do a 'barium upper G.I. x-ray series' on Irmik? (not sure if they do this in cats, but they do it in humans)
I know you said that they did x-rays...but barium x-rays would show how her digestive tract works.
Specifically looking for something called 'intussusception in cats'

What does Irmik's poop look like, now, for the last week?

Also, I noticed that you have a 'poinsettia plant' in some of your nice photos.
Poinsettia plants are common here, around christmas time...and although, I've only found online, that they are 'mildly toxic to cats'...I still kind of always give them away...whenever someone gives me one for christmas.

I read online, that it is the patriotic plant for Turkey, which is interesting...so don't know if Irmik likes to eat the leaves, or anything...but do you think that she might touch them, or eat, chew, nibble on them.?
(Not even sure if your plant is this plant,...or if it is real or not...I cannot tell.)

 

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Take a look at this thread:
I need help!!!! My cat is not eating since 2/2/22
specifically post #9 and post #11.

Her cat Tango, does not have all the same issues as Irmik, but it is interesting, when I saw the photos, and the ultrasound report.
Also, just a coincidence, but her cat Tango is also a 'ginger tabby', too.

It's like artiemom 's cat Geoffrey, your cat Irmik, and M margaret tan 's cat Tango...all groom and swallow fur...but have some problems with the 'transit of that fur'...out of their digestive tracts.
I don't think this only applies to 'ginger tabbies'...but it's just strange that these threads have cats with similar issues...but in certain cases the issues are much worse...since pancreas involvement and inflammation is also very painful, too.

I hope all these cats get the proper treatment, and find the right foods, or medications that will help them all.

 

[artiemom]

cat nap Thanks for thinking of us....

I have been watching this thread.. Yes, It seems that Ginger cats have a lot of GI issues. It is weird.

Yes, Geoffrey gets brushed daily--finally; and has many episodes of vomiting fur. It is usually loose fur.
Since it has been so difficult to get Vet's appointments, I have an appointment with the Internal Med Vet in a few weeks..
Geoffrey also has PICA--he eats anything and everything that is not food, when he is hungry; especially plastic and glued stuff. I have to be so careful.

My guy is eating rabbit food, exclusively and being given Laxatone, almost daily... and daily brushing.

Right now, I am not sure if we will extend the IMVet appointment out to a later date. Geoffrey has had 6-7 episodes of vomiting in both Jan and Feb. In March, he ate 2 strips of plastic, at different times.. He is so fast to grab things away from me.
He loses a pound of weight when he is in a vomiting episode.

Not giving him any meds. His regular Vet wanted me to give him Pepcid.. the IMVet does not. I think he wants validation of weight loss, and behavior before starting treatment. I adopted Geoffrey 3 years ago. He has had a yearly IMVet visit each year, because of vomiting---trying different things, yet he always eats something to mess up documentation.

Now, I am documenting his weight, weekly; When he vomits, how much he eats. When he sees the IM Vet, I am going to insist on an Endoscopy.
The IMVet thinks he is an over groomer, from internal anxiety.. I have to agree.. so he needs some medication. I also think he has some gastric reflux....

Sevilay28 I wish you and Irmik the best of luck...
((Hugs)))

I know how it is.. My last guy, Artie, was also an orange cat. He had IBD--food allergy--chicken allergy and Mega colon, he lost the stimulus to poop... so I understand what you are going through....

(((Hugs)))

 

[Sevilay28]

Did they ever do a 'barium upper G.I. x-ray series' on Irmik? (not sure if they do this in cats, but they do it in humans)
I know you said that they did x-rays...but barium x-rays would show how her digestive tract works.
Specifically looking for

My first vet would have done this if he continued to suspect a foreign body. But because Irmik pooped so he didn't.

What does Irmik's poop look like, now, for the last week?

I think it's perfectly normal. But I will take a picture for you.

I read online, that it is the patriotic plant for Turkey, which is interesting...so don't know if Irmik likes to eat the leaves, or anything...but do you think that she might touch them, or eat, chew, nibble on them.?
(Not even sure if your plant is this plant,...or if it is real or not...I cannot tell.)

Yes, it's a poinsettia. She tries to eag the plants before vomiting but doesn't eat outside of it. But I'm a little scared right now, I'll be more careful from now on.

Her cat Tango, does not have all the same issues as Irmik, but it is interesting, when I saw the photos, and the ultrasound report.
Also, just a coincidence, but her cat Tango is also a 'ginger tabby', too

This surprised me too. Because 3 people I talked to in Turkey (those cats with gastritis) were also ginger. I think we may have found a research topic! There should be an article on it

 

[Sevilay28]

cat nap Thanks for thinking of us....

I have been watching this thread.. Yes, It seems that Ginger cats have a lot of GI issues. It is weird.

Yes, Geoffrey gets brushed daily--finally; and has many episodes of vomiting fur. It is usually loose fur.
Since it has been so difficult to get Vet's appointments, I have an appointment with the Internal Med Vet in a few weeks..
Geoffrey also has PICA--he eats anything and everything that is not food, when he is hungry; especially plastic and glued stuff. I have to be so careful.

My guy is eating rabbit food, exclusively and being given Laxatone, almost daily... and daily brushing.

Right now, I am not sure if we will extend the IMVet appointment out to a later date. Geoffrey has had 6-7 episodes of vomiting in both Jan and Feb. In March, he ate 2 strips of plastic, at different times.. He is so fast to grab things away from me.
He loses a pound of weight when he is in a vomiting episode.

Not giving him any meds. His regular Vet wanted me to give him Pepcid.. the IMVet does not. I think he wants validation of weight loss, and behavior before starting treatment. I adopted Geoffrey 3 years ago. He has had a yearly IMVet visit each year, because of vomiting---trying different things, yet he always eats something to mess up documentation.

Now, I am documenting his weight, weekly; When he vomits, how much he eats. When he sees the IM Vet, I am going to insist on an Endoscopy.
The IMVet thinks he is an over groomer, from internal anxiety.. I have to agree.. so he needs some medication. I also think he has some gastric reflux....

Sevilay28 I wish you and Irmik the best of luck...
((Hugs)))

I know how it is.. My last guy, Artie, was also an orange cat. He had IBD--food allergy--chicken allergy and Mega colon, he lost the stimulus to poop... so I understand what you are going through....

(((Hugs)))

Sometimes I thought she has pica too, but then I realized that eating different things happens right before she throws up.

 

[Sevilay28]

Cerenia's effect ended at 5pm today. I'm not going to inject her tomorrow. I'm afraid Of tomorrow's excessive swallowing of İrmik. I hope the İrmik can suppress the vomit instinct tomorrow.
By the way, I took the sulrafacte pill. Because the syrup tastes so bad!

 

[Sevilay28]

Say hi to these precious and caring people who are there for your mother and support her! THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS I LOVE YOU

 

[Sevilay28]

She's just vomited...

 

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She's just vomited...

Oh, poor Irmik.
I've never seen so much greenish colour vomit...and so much of it.
So much partially digested food.

I wonder if you can put Irmik's 'vomitus' in a clear plastic bag, and take it in to the Vet, to have them analyze it.?
(Don't know if they can do some sort of 'pcr test on it', like they do with stool samples.)
Looking for infections,...or why the bile/stomach acid...is green,...not yellow.

You might have to feed Irmik...in very small amounts...and more times per day.

Do you also have any type of cat food that is mostly liquid?
Like the ones sold in 'tetra packs', or 'squeeze up delectable treats'?
The softer, and more mushy foods, liquid type-soupy type, gravy types,... may be easier for Irmik's system to process.