Sakiz just gave birth and one of the kittens won't feed

It's not good to let them sleep under Sakiz.  She may squish or suffocate them.  Is the box they are in big enough so they can be next to her.  Taking them to the vet isn't recommend until they need their first shots at about 8 weeks - check w/the vet.  The kittens immune system is still to new to fight off all the germs at the vets office.

You should leave food, wet and dry near Sakiz and move her litter box close.  She will not want to go too far from her kittens the first couple of weeks.  She will need a lot of food.  You can even feed her a little of the yogurt.

Keep an eye on the 3rd to make sure he is gaining.  If you have a scale you can weigh them everyday at the same time.  10 grams or more is a good weight.

Glad to hear things are going well.   Keep us update.

kutubira said:

 
@Handsome Kitty, The Third suckles anything it can find. About an hour ago or so, I saw it suckle Sakız's breast. Now I am sure it feeds itself. But I gave it some water with glucose just in case.

Now three of them are sleeping under Sakız, and Sakız calls me time to time and wants me to pet her. I regularly go and bring milk, water and food to Sakız. She is content as well. I think the problem is solved. 

When should I take them to the vet? They all seem well-fed already, except for the third of course. They even fought over a breast I called a vet and he told me that it would not be good to change their place right now and told me not to bring them over if I don't see anything suspicious about them.

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its true, if they seems healthy there is no big need for before later on.

They will need deworming, but that can be done home if you know exactly what dewormers to use - if you dont know you can surely phone and ask...

Next step will be  vaccinating - Core vaccine and rabies.   And preferably spaying around week ten.

Monitor closely esp nr 3 by weighting every day - even every twelf hours as long he is in crisis.

@Handsome Kitty, they were not exactly under her, but they were trying to get under her. I did not know what to do, so I left them like that. 

Everything Sakız might need is only one step away from her place.  I had prepared a big washbowl for her to give birth, they are in that now (She did not give birth to the first one there though). I'm not home right now, but I'm going to post a picture so that I can get suggestions about how to make them more comfy. 

First two seem strong, the third is stronger than it was before the night, but still weak. I'm going to keep trying to feed it myself in case it might have some disorder preventing it from properly suckling from a breast. I feel like it is still weaker than the other two's strength yesterday. 

@StefanZ, when is deworming needed? I was not aware that this has to be done and this is a strong indication that I either have to take them to the vet or bring one to my home.

I wanted to consult about something else though. When I woke up, I found Sakız with the first one in a different place than the others. When she saw me, she called me. I pet her and touched to the kitten. I was afraid it was dead and she was just trying to keep it away from the others, but it is alive. And she took it to their original place again. Why might that be?

The first one was not born in the bowl I prepared. She jumped to the bowl after giving birth to the first one. When she jumped in the bowl, she looked for the kitten but could not see it somehow, and I had to put it into the bowl. She then continued to clean it. The place where I found Sakız and the first one is near the spot she gave birth to it, but not the exact spot. 

What sort of bowl are they in? They need to be in a quiet, private place on a blanket, preferably in a box that is large enough for mom to stretch out to nurse the kittens, but that the kittens cannot climb out of for now.

The kittens do not need to be de-wormed for a few weeks yet.

Have you fed the third kitten yet?

It's a big bowl. Actually I think it is getting lost in translation because I could not find the word for it in the dictionaries lol. And the bowl is in a big room which I do not use much. Now I'm only entering the room to give food to Sakız, to pet her and whenever she meows for me. 

It's very close to Sakız's litterbox, food and water. Also there are boxes which Sakız can get in and out without any problems. She entered one of the boxes when she was about to give birth, but then she decided doing it out in the open could be more fun. The blanket they are on got dirty as you would expect, but I don't want to change it until Sakız feels safe to leave the big bowl. And I don't want to irritate her by carrying her kittens from one place to another.

I'm going to post some pictures here once I get home. I'd like to get some recommendations about the place they are living.

I fed the third yesterday twice. But like I said, I don't feel like it got as strong as it is supposed to be. It also sucked from the breast for a short period. Others literally fell asleep while suckling and this one just gets a taste and then continues to crawl around. Maybe she's strong but just look strong?

kutubira said:

 
@Handsome Kitty, they were not exactly under her, but they were trying to get under her. I did not know what to do, so I left them like that. 

Everything Sakız might need is only one step away from her place.  I had prepared a big washbowl for her to give birth, they are in that now (She did not give birth to the first one there though). I'm not home right now, but I'm going to post a picture so that I can get suggestions about how to make them more comfy. 

First two seem strong, the third is stronger than it was before the night, but still weak. I'm going to keep trying to feed it myself in case it might have some disorder preventing it from properly suckling from a breast. I feel like it is still weaker than the other two's strength yesterday. 

@StefanZ, when is deworming needed? I was not aware that this has to be done and this is a strong indication that I either have to take them to the vet or bring one to my home.

I wanted to consult about something else though. When I woke up, I found Sakız with the first one in a different place than the others. When she saw me, she called me. I pet her and touched to the kitten. I was afraid it was dead and she was just trying to keep it away from the others, but it is alive. And she took it to their original place again. Why might that be?

The first one was not born in the bowl I prepared. She jumped to the bowl after giving birth to the first one. When she jumped in the bowl, she looked for the kitten but could not see it somehow, and I had to put it into the bowl. She then continued to clean it. The place where I found Sakız and the first one is near the spot she gave birth to it, but not the exact spot. 

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 Its  several weeks yet.  Or rather, kittens dont manage deworming too early.

Kittens gets round worms from mom, esp if she is or were an outside going mom.  So they must be dewormed, sooner or later, even if they didnt had any other problems with worms nor parasites.

You can use a Pyrantel Poamate preparate,  there are good OTC such.  Nemex2 is mentioned by our american forumists.  Here in Sweden we use Banminth.

These can be used on a healthy kitten already at "2+" week, but if you can wait another week or two.   Even itf its a mild preparate, it takes a toll.

kutubira said:

 
It's a big bowl. Actually I think it is getting lost in translation because I could not find the word for it in the dictionaries lol. And the bowl is in a big room which I do not use much. Now I'm only entering the room to give food to Sakız, to pet her and whenever she meows for me. 

It's very close to Sakız's litterbox, food and water. Also there are boxes which Sakız can get in and out without any problems. She entered one of the boxes when she was about to give birth, but then she decided doing it out in the open could be more fun. The blanket they are on got dirty as you would expect, but I don't want to change it until Sakız feels safe to leave the big bowl. And I don't want to irritate her by carrying her kittens from one place to another.

I'm going to post some pictures here once I get home. I'd like to get some recommendations about the place they are living.

I fed the third yesterday twice. But like I said, I don't feel like it got as strong as it is supposed to be. It also sucked from the breast for a short period. Others literally fell asleep while suckling and this one just gets a taste and then continues to crawl around. Maybe she's strong but just look strong?

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Right, you must continue to monitor her closely, and its almost surely necessary to supplement her.   Use weighting her on a scale as your help to decide if Tertia gets enough.

You mention using a dictionary.  Which country are you in?  If not USA, our advices for US-brands aren not very useful.... 

I'm I'm Turkey. And in a rather small city. So, many things are proble for me.

What are your thoughts on Sakız taking the first one out of its place and then putting it back? Is it because she saw me? Was she trying to get rid of it or something like that?

She may have been moving her kittens to another spot.  If you want to change her from the bowl, you can bring the other container to the bowl and put the kittens in it and Sakiz will follow.  Or if she doesn't like the container she will move them back.  then you can move her nest,

I know I told you that I was going to share the photos of the environment they live in right now. But the third worries me. She looks worse than yesterday. I actually saw it suckle from a breast, but today I observed them for 1 hour and while the others fed themselves, the third did not. 

It did not suck anything after I came home. I got out and actually found goat milk. It's in a cartoon box, and I think this is the best I can. I got some syringes (Perks of studying at the hospital), in different sizes. I came back home and tried to feed the third.

I held it as @StefanZ  instructed and carefully put pressure to the pump of the syringe so that some goat milk (which I mixed with water 50-50) come out of it. I manage to make a droplet out of the syringe and on top of the tip. I tried to make it suck it, but it does not. Actually it gets its head away from the syringe. What can I do? Should I open its mouth by force? I'm trying to feed it near Sakız and every time I take it, Sakız meows and so does the third. Should I take it away from Sakız and try?

kutubira said:

 
I know I told you that I was going to share the photos of the environment they live in right now. But the third worries me. She looks worse than yesterday. I actually saw it suckle from a breast, but today I observed them for 1 hour and while the others fed themselves, the third did not. 

It did not suck anything after I came home. I got out and actually found goat milk. It's in a cartoon box, and I think this is the best I can. I got some syringes (Perks of studying at the hospital), in different sizes. I came back home and tried to feed the third.

I held it as @StefanZ  instructed and carefully put pressure to the pump of the syringe so that some goat milk (which I mixed with water 50-50) come out of it. I manage to make a droplet out of the syringe and on top of the tip. I tried to make it suck it, but it does not. Actually it gets its head away from the syringe. What can I do? Should I open its mouth by force? I'm trying to feed it near Sakız and every time I take it, Sakız meows and so does the third. Should I take it away from Sakız and try?

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Yes, if necessary try away from mom.   Train on the syringe without kitten, when you squize, it shall come drop or a couple of drops, and then again drop or two- in hers mouth.  so she hopefully swallows...

So, train without kitten so you are sure you are handling it )wipe off the drops) - and firstly when you are decently fluent, use it on the kitten...

Tertia apparently MUSt get this goat milk into her...  Othewise she is doomed.   She may be doomed anyway, but we must try and fight on...

You dont need to dilute the goat milk, and if you dilute, so just a little.

Thank God you're not asleep and answered I was anxiously waiting for an answer if I should take it away from its mom. I'm pretty fluent with the syringes (6th year med student) so that's not a problem.

But it takes its head away from the syringe. Should I open its mouth? 

You can usually just carefully put the syringe in the corner of its mouth and drip drips in there slowly.

Okay, Use the smallest syringe Put the syringe in the corner of the 3rds mouth and give her one or two drops. let the kitten swallow, take a breath and repeat.  This is a slow process.  The goats milk doesn't need to be  diluted.  You can give some to the mom in a dish.  The kitten needs to eat 1 -2 mls every 1-2 hours around the clock.  THE GOAT'S MILK AND THE KITTEN NEED TO BE WARM.est the food if either is chilled.

You can start by putting a tiny bit of liquid honey on the 3rds lips or gums.  it will go right into the blood stream and give him enough energy to eat.. 

If the mom gets overly upset you may need to go into another room

It doesn't keep its head still. I tried to hold it, but it still managed to escape from the syringe. 

Wait a minute... I said Sakız meows and then the third meows and refuses the syringe. I heard that kittens aren't able to hear for the first week or so. So this must be something else?

the kitten is meowing because it is hungry. 

You can try this, I copied from another post.  I am trying to find a picture of it.

The burrito wrapping is done for wilder kitties, I use this for taming feral kittens too, what you would be doing is putting a towel on her like a cape, but higher to cover her head too a bit, wrap her neck snugly first, then on her body, snugly too, then it will look like a cigar until you fold the top by her head down so she has her head sticking out only. No loose arms to fight you with at all, only her head is out. This is a burrito wrap

You can also try holding the kitten gently against the floor or table so it doesn't move.

I agree. If you wrap the little one up it won't be able to struggle away from you so easily. We do this with our older cats for pilling and things like that.

Well I have to do it near the mom. Sakız just came, took her kitten from me and took her to their place. It was wonderful to see how she defended her kitten, but sad to see that I couldn't manage to give it some milk. Is there any reason they refuse the goat milk?

Is the goats milk warm?  Have you tried to drop it on the nipple where the 3rd is?

Handsome Kitty said:

 
Is the goats milk warm?  Have you tried to drop it on the nipple where the 3rd is?

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Milk is warm, yes. This is a good idea. I'm going to try it now.

By the way, thanks for the support, people.