Creating a home-cooked resources sticky

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There's a Raw Feeding Resources sticky at the top of the forum. It needs updating. I'll make a separate post for that.

Now that the former raw feeding forum includes home cooked meals, anyone have suggestions for what should be in the Home Cooked Resources thread?

This is what I've pulled together so far, with mschauer's input. But others may have more ideas, so include them here, and eventually we'll get it edited into one post the mods can put up and sticky.


Recipes

One option is to start with meat or meat and organs and add a commercially available premix of nutritional supplements that will make the food nutritionally balanced.

By Dr. Donald Strombeck: http://www.dogcathomeprepareddiet.com/feeding_a_normal_dog_or_cat.html#cats
Donald R. Strombeck, DVM, PhD, is Professor Emeritus, University of California, Davis, School of Veterinary Medicine, and an honorary member of the College of Veterinary Internal Medicine. He is widely published and has received numerous awards. The home page: http://www.dogcathomeprepareddiet.com/

From TCFeline (a manufacturer of Premixes) http://tcfeline.com/2010/08/16/cooked-meat/

At IBD kitties: http://www.ibdkitties.net/Homecooked.html (requires a grinder)


Nutritional Supplements (Premixes)

Note: some are designed to make just meat complete; others require liver and/or a source of calcium to make the recipes balanced & complete. For most, a source of fiber is optional (which can be important for IBD kitties or as a method to lower fat for specific medical reasons). Some of these were designed with raw feeding in mind, but provide appropriate supplemental nutrition for home cooked food. Please ensure you purchase the correct supplement for the recipe you intend to use.

Alnutrin http://www.knowwhatyoufeed.com/
Balance IT https://secure.balanceit.com/
Call of the Wild http://www.wysong.net/products/cotw-dog-cat-supplement.php
TCfeline http://tcfeline.com/
U-Stew http://www.knowbetterpetfood.com/cat_food_u-stew

Alnutrin and Balance IT have online calculators and recipes.



Sources of Calcium

Warning: Never feed cooked bones; these can splinter and harm your cats.

Most home-cooked recipes will include either bone meal, calcium carbonate, or eggshell.

If you want to create your own diet using real bone, this thread describes a method that does not require a grinder, just a food processor: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/261751/bone-question-dr-piersons-ground-recipe

If you want to use a source of bone other than bone meal, there is a freeze dried bone option. It is called Microcrystalline Calcium Hydroxyapatite (MCHA). In the U.S., there is only one supplement available that has no other ingredients. It is manufactured by NOW, and is called just "NOW calcium hydroxyapatite." Note that MCHA costs considerably more to use than bone meal or eggshell powder.

How to balance meat (and organ) for just calcium using eggshell or MCHA: http://www.thecatsite.com/t/263426/...hydroxyapatite-to-balance-meat-or-meat-organs



Impact of Cooking

Even for carnivores, cooked meat requires less energy to digest: Bobeck et al. 2007. Cooking and grinding reduces the cost of meat digestion, Comp Biochem Physiol A Mol Integr Physiol. 2007 Nov;148(3):651-6. Epub 2007 Aug 16.

Carmody & Wrangham 2009. The Energetic Significance of Cooking, Jour Hum Evol 57 (2009) 379–391. http://www.anthro.utah.edu/PDFs/CarmodyWrangham09cookingHumEv.pdf

Nutrient Retention, various cooking methods (PDF file). USDA Table of Nutrient Retention Factors http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/retn/retn06.pdf

Summary table of USDA Nutrient Retention Factors: http://nutritiondata.self.com/topics/processing



Food Safety & Proper Cooking Temperatures

Revised Recommended Cooking Temperatures, FoodSafety.gov: http://www.foodsafety.gov/blog/meat_temperatures.html

How to keep your food safe: http://www.epicurious.com/articlesguides/howtocook/primers/foodsafetymeatpoultry

New York Times article, Bending the Rules on Bacteria, with information about reheating previously cooked food.

Discussion of digestive enzymes in cooked vs raw foods. The article is not about pet foods, but provides balanced information, and something to consider: because it requires fewer calories to digest cooked food, cats fed home cooked food may need less food than cats fed homemade raw food: http://www.jonbarron.org/article/food-raw-versus-cooked
 
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Come across any links you think should be included that aren't here?
There aren't a lot of sources out there on making a cooked diet for a cat. At least we don't have to sift through a zillion of them to uncover the useful information! 
 
 
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Maybe someone knows of a good book? :dk: I just noticed there isn't a "Further Reading" or "Books" kind of section. I don't know of any, but maybe others do?
 

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Don't know if it belongs here, but it would be nice to have a reference/list of the different cuts of beef, pork, veal or lamb that fit the proper protein/fat profile.  I have seen the list posted on the Abyssinian site that compares several different meats, but beef is merely listed as "grass fed beef" - there are different cuts from different parts of the steer, with a range of fat content.

I tried the search function - but there doesn't seem to be a good posting/list/link with guidance for different cuts.  For example, with beef, the best I can come up with is to look for "top or bottom round" cuts to stay in the right fat range.  Then there is the whole annoying aspect of regional names for cuts, especially for beef. What about pork - is lean pork loin the only cut one should use due to higher fat content in other cuts?

Or do folks just use their eyes as a guide, and stay away from cuts with lots of marbling (meaning higher fat) - rather than over-thinking it like I am?
 
 

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Or do folks just use their eyes as a guide, and stay away from cuts with lots of marbling (meaning higher fat) - rather than over-thinking it like I am?
 
Yeah I pretty much just eyeball it. There isn't a particular fat/protein profile I shoot for. I just don't want the the meat too fat or too lean. Maybe others do it differently though.
 
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I don't worry about it. At first I wanted just the lean stuff because I was worried about the fat; but I realized that with the commercial foods prior, I was feeding them really high fat. So now I just buy what's on sale, and trim as necessary.
 
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...and I'm just looking for links and resource suggestions.

But Aprilprey, if you want to dig the info out of the USDA database and put it together for us in a thread here, I think it would make a nice link for the resource thread. :D
 

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...and I'm just looking for links and resource suggestions.

But Aprilprey, if you want to dig the info out of the USDA database and put it together for us in a thread here, I think it would make a nice link for the resource thread.
That is a project up my alley and I do want this info; unfortunately, I have my hands full right now with canning, preserving, etc...god knows how many pounds of apples. Once I am clear of that I'd tackle it - would be good brain exercise anyhow.  But the word "slowpoke" is often hurled my way so...

Might be a week before I can get clear of hours of washing, chopping, stirring....(although I can work on apple butter AND a spreadsheet at the same time..hmmm)
 

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Maybe someone knows of a good book?
I would like to get this book by Jean Hofve "What Cats Should Eat How to Keep Your Cat Healthy with Good Food. Amazon has it as a "Kindle" read. I don't have a Kindle. So will order it from her website.
http://www.littlebigcat.com/bookstore/

Another one I just ordered by Dr. Pitcairn's that looks very good and has some recipes.
 
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I would like to get this book by Jean Hofve "What Cats Should Eat How to Keep Your Cat Healthy with Good Food. Amazon has it as a "Kindle" read. I don't have a Kindle. So will order it from her website.
http://www.littlebigcat.com/bookstore/

Another one I just ordered by Dr. Pitcairn's that looks very good and has some recipes.
Are those cooked diet resources? I'm pretty sure Dr. Pitcairn advocates a raw diet.

I have Dr. Hofve's book but don't remember if she advocates cooked or raw. I'll check when I get home. But I do remember the recipe she includes is very difficult to understand. 
 
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I think as there are more problems with recalls on commercial foods there will be more resources for the cooked diet.  I think there are a lot of people like me that like the idea of making our own cat food but are afraid of the raw food.  I don't want to start something about the safety of raw food, I personally am just more comfortable with the cooked meat.
 

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 I don't want to start something about the safety of raw food
Yes, please don't. 


The raw feeders in this forum are well aware of all of the issues and are comfortable with feeding a raw diet. Some of them have reasons why they aren't comfortable with feeding a cooked diet. Let's just respect one anothers decision. This forum isn't about debating. It's about helping.
 

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 I personally am just more comfortable with the cooked meat.
I think that's absolutely fine and one of the main reasons that the forum's name was changed. I do hope we can all help make it a safe place for all people who are interested in home-prepared cat food, whether it's raw or cooked!
 

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Maybe someone knows of a good book?
I would like to get this book by Jean Hofve "What Cats Should Eat How to Keep Your Cat Healthy with Good Food. Amazon has it as a "Kindle" read. I don't have a Kindle. So will order it from her website.
http://www.littlebigcat.com/bookstore/

Another one I just ordered by Dr. Pitcairn's that looks very good and has some recipes.
Are you going to try to feed Perla a home cooked diet?  I've got chicken thighs thawing right now and am going to bake them in a few minutes so she can have them for her late night meal
.(since she's so hard to please)  Luckily I already have the alnutrin w/ eggshell powder on hand, and even some chicken livers!  Now here's hoping she will like the "concoction" .  I think I'll leave the boys' diet alone, since they seem to like their raw just fine.  Honestly, I'm afraid if I change anything, they might decide they prefer cooked to raw, and I think I prefer raw to cooked as my first option.
 
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I would like to get this book by Jean Hofve "What Cats Should Eat How to Keep Your Cat Healthy with Good Food. Amazon has it as a "Kindle" read. I don't have a Kindle. So will order it from her website.
http://www.littlebigcat.com/bookstore/

Another one I just ordered by Dr. Pitcairn's that looks very good and has some recipes.
Are those cooked diet resources? I'm pretty sure Dr. Pitcairn advocates a raw diet.

I have Dr. Hofve's book but don't remember if she advocates cooked or raw. I'll check when I get home. But I do remember the recipe she includes is very difficult to understand. 
I looked at Dr. Hofve's book. She recommends raw but says it can be cooked. She also says:
There is no difference in nutritional values between raw and cooked meat.
Hmmm. Surely she doesn't really believe that???
 
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