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post #91 of 145
9/2/09 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by Going Nova View Post
I wouldn't adopt a cat out to an unemployed person either. I put a lot of time and money into making the cats I pick up adoptable... certainly more than I would make back from an adoption fee. Unless he wants to share his financial background with the shelter, I really don't blame them for turning him down.

In my area, there are many people out of jobs, and losing their homes, and the number of pets being abandoned is increasing. Even those who have no abandoned their pets, are declining treatment at vet visits (this part I overheard at my vet's office).
Beyond the possibility of not being able to provide for her in the future, because living off your savings can deplete your savings fast, an unemployed person with lots of money that is not willing to disclose the source of that money would be cause to worry.
It isn't uncommon for people who have lots of money and no job to be invoved in criminal stuff. Not saying that your friend is, just that it doesn't look good on an application. They aren't going to want the cat to be locked up alone in an apartment if the owner is suddenly carted off to jail.
post #92 of 145
9/2/09 at 5:17pm
Imagine the bind we're in here in Michigan with an unofficial jobless or underemployment rate of 20 percent... joblessness is a reason to reject an adoption applicant, money in the bank or not. A student being supported by parents - not a good candidate, unless the parents adopt the animal and agree to be responsible for it. No transport would not read well to the rescue or shelter.
post #93 of 145
9/2/09 at 5:27pm
I think you're missing the fact that the shelter knows that even though he may have a lot of money in the bank now, sooner or later that money will be gone. And will he be employed by then? Sure he probably will be but it's in the shelter's and the animal's best interest to assume the worst. This cat is 10 years old, they are looking out for her wellbeing.

I am sure that sometime over the course of the next few years her body will begin to deteriorate quickly and the vet bills will be mind blowing. This isn't a spunky kitten or 2 year old we are talking about here. It's a geriatric cat that is going to someday soon need lots of good quality vet care, already right now she should be getting at least 2 checkups yearly.

If your friend is serious about this kitty, he doesn't have to worry. Advise him to find some piddly little part time job working a couple days out of the week at McDonalds or something. The cat will still be there. It's unfortunate that she would probably be there until she dies, she's lucky that your friend took a very keen interest in her, and if he's as serious as you say he is... He needs to stop being unreasonable and you need to be a good friend and give him a kick in the booty and tell him to get a job.
post #94 of 145
9/2/09 at 5:31pm
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Beyond the possibility of not being able to provide for her in the future, because living off your savings can deplete your savings fast, an unemployed person with lots of money that is not willing to disclose the source of that money would be cause to worry.
It isn't uncommon for people who have lots of money and no job to be invoved in criminal stuff. Not saying that your friend is, just that it doesn't look good on an application. They aren't going to want the cat to be locked up alone in an apartment if the owner is suddenly carted off to jail.
What? He never once said that he wouldn't disclose information about his money. I told you it was savings, he worked for it, he had a job in a sausage factory and he saved up. He has quite a bit of savings. Not THAT much, not like $20,000 or anything crazy like that. But he's been able to live off of it for quite a while. And he IS looking for work.
post #95 of 145
9/2/09 at 5:35pm
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Imagine the bind we're in here in Michigan with an unofficial jobless or underemployment rate of 20 percent... joblessness is a reason to reject an adoption applicant, money in the bank or not. A student being supported by parents - not a good candidate, unless the parents adopt the animal and agree to be responsible for it. No transport would not read well to the rescue or shelter.

His parents don't support him. He has his own money. Can't anyone learn how to read a thread? No offense. I hate having to repeat myself when people can just read my posts.
post #96 of 145
9/2/09 at 5:43pm
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Originally Posted by Degu_2009 View Post
His parents don't support him. He has his own money. Can't anyone learn how to read a thread? No offense.

How ironic. I notice you didn't address any of the arguments I presented regarding why I wouldn't adopt to someone without an income, instead opting to go on and on about how it's "crazy".

If you really can't understand why someone wouldn't want to adopt to a person without income, then I don't know what to tell you.
post #97 of 145
9/2/09 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by Degu_2009 View Post
His parents don't support him. He has his own money. Can't anyone learn how to read a thread? No offense. I hate having to repeat myself when people can just read my posts.
I think that we all understand that.

We are all reading the threads, and telling you our opinions of the situation.

As for the money, money in a savings account is not steady income. As I said once before, they are thinking of Odessa's future, not just tomorrow.

Most of the opinions here, based on third party information (yours) agree with the shelter's decisions to not adopt out a senior kitty to your friend.

I'm sorry your friend is upset, but like I said, it's not like he is being forced to give up a cat he's been with all the kitty's life. He saw the cat once and wants her. The shelter has decided he does not meet their criteria for adopting Odessa.

That your friend feels they were rude to him makes no difference if he doesn't meet the requirements. He can complain to the shelter director about the rudeness, he has that right. He can get a job and accept the visitation terms and reapply, or he can move on, and pick up a stray on the street or craigslist without worrying about meeting anyone's standards, and give another kitty a home.
post #98 of 145
9/2/09 at 5:56pm
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How ironic. I notice you didn't address any of the arguments I presented regarding why I wouldn't adopt to someone without an income, instead opting to go on and on about how it's "crazy".

If you really can't understand why someone wouldn't want to adopt to a person without income, then I don't know what to tell you.
Because I didn't want to argue with you. Shelters complain about being full of cats yet they refuse to let people adopt for stupid reasons. He is looking for work and he has plenty of money. It's apparent he has money because somehow he can pay rent and bills and buy food, ect....

He wants to give this cat a good home, that's all. It's not like he has bad intentions. Shelter's are full of animals they can't get rid of yet they have strict rules like this, it's very silly to me.
post #99 of 145
9/2/09 at 6:11pm
He may have money but in this economy there is no telling whether he will be able to get a job. Savings are not considered income unless you are living off of the interest rate of your checking account...
Shelters prefer to keep the cats than perpetuate the problem by adopting them to people who might return them later or fail to care for them properly...
post #100 of 145
9/2/09 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by ut0pia View Post
He may have money but in this economy there is no telling whether he will be able to get a job. Savings are not considered income unless you are living off of the interest rate of your checking account...
Shelters prefer to keep the cats than perpetuate the problem by adopting them to people who might return them later or fail to care for them properly...
What happens when you have a job and adopt a cat, and then lose that job?

Odessa is very frightened in the shelter, imagine that poor kitty in there a YEAR and still scared. It's so sad.
post #101 of 145
9/2/09 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by Degu_2009 View Post
Because I didn't want to argue with you. Shelters complain about being full of cats yet they refuse to let people adopt for stupid reasons. He is looking for work and he has plenty of money. It's apparent he has money because somehow he can pay rent and bills and buy food, ect....

He wants to give this cat a good home, that's all. It's not like he has bad intentions. Shelter's are full of animals they can't get rid of yet they have strict rules like this, it's very silly to me.

I wasn't being argumentative. Not adopting to someone without an income is not a stupid reason. I've lived off of savings before; the money doesn't last forever and vet bills can get quite expensive. Nova was $1000+ the first year I had her from various minor illnesses. Grim was $1000+ this year because he had a tumor that needed to be removed.

You and your friend can disagree until you're blue in the face, but that isn't going to get him the cat he wants. (Isn't that the main issue? Getting angry at the rescue isn't going to solve anything.)

I don't see what the problem is with your friend looking for work and adopting the cat when he meets the shelter's requirements. I'm assuming the cat is not in danger of being euthanized? Yes, it does stink that he had his heart set on a cat and was rejected. However, getting someone else to adopt the cat for him is an immature way to go about it. Obviously, the rescue took an interest in him as a prospective owner or they wouldn't have bothered to call him back.

If they were rude to him, that's a separate issue from why he was rejected. If the rescue is run by private funding, then your friend's lack of income is a legitimate reason not to adopt to him; a person without income is less likely to provide for the cat for the duration of her life. They are looking out for the best interest of the cat.
post #102 of 145
9/2/09 at 6:26pm
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Originally Posted by Degu_2009 View Post
What happens when you have a job and adopt a cat, and then lose that job?

Odessa is very frightened in the shelter, imagine that poor kitty in there a YEAR and still scared. It's so sad.
Lots of people might give up their cat. Though your friend is different, the shelter is concerned that he might give up Odessa if he has financial difficulties because that's what so many other people do. Like another poster said, it isn't personal.

ETA: It would be much more traumatic for Odessa if she were adopted out and then returned. Although that could happen even if she were adopted out to a person with a job, it would be less likely.
post #103 of 145
9/2/09 at 7:23pm
Guys - this is turning into IMO. Please keep it friendly - and remember, we don't know the whole story & were not there.

Again, as the person who checks applications - no job, even with $$ in savings - would result in being declined here. Because that $$ can go fast for other things - as a senior kitty hundreds to thousands can be required in one vet visit. Many times I have a variety of reasons for wanting to decline someone, and probably come off as "flaky" because I keep changing reasons - simply as I have many of them. I do not have to justify myself, it states on the top of the application we reserve the right to refuse any application.

It is very sad Odessa is in the shelter after a year - but I do not encourage someone else adopting her for him. IMO, that's wrong.
post #104 of 145
9/2/09 at 7:49pm
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Originally Posted by Degu_2009 View Post
His parents don't support him. He has his own money. Can't anyone learn how to read a thread? No offense. I hate having to repeat myself when people can just read my posts.
Cool it. I didn't say his parents support him. I am giving examples of things -financially based - that send up red flags to rescues and shelters. There are lots of them... declawing, lots of lost animals, not vetting animals,,, etc.
post #105 of 145
9/2/09 at 8:20pm
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Originally Posted by white cat lover View Post
Guys - this is turning into IMO. Please keep it friendly - and remember, we don't know the whole story & were not there.

Again, as the person who checks applications - no job, even with $$ in savings - would result in being declined here. Because that $$ can go fast for other things - as a senior kitty hundreds to thousands can be required in one vet visit. Many times I have a variety of reasons for wanting to decline someone, and probably come off as "flaky" because I keep changing reasons - simply as I have many of them. I do not have to justify myself, it states on the top of the application we reserve the right to refuse any application.

It is very sad Odessa is in the shelter after a year - but I do not encourage someone else adopting her for him. IMO, that's wrong.
I think the shelter did the right thing.
He has no job, no income coming in, apparently not much in savings since $20,000 is described as a "Crazy amount"... and no transportation...
IMO this amount he has will leave his hands rather quickly. It takes quite a bit to pay all expenses, and kitty food, vet on the top of it.
Plus, with a senior kitty transportation for me is a big issue - what happens if Odessa gets really sick at night,and needs to be taken to the ER? Many times ERs are MILES aways.... is he going to take her in a bike? Can he afford an ER trip?
Pets can be cheap, but can be quite expensive too...... Lucky and Hope are very very healthy, but in about 6 months I have spent well over $1,000 in vet bills on Bugsy alone.... And this is o the TOP of the insurance I pay monthly!
So... I know your friend is hurt, but maybe he needs to consider that it is really not the best of times for him to do this. When his money ends, then what? Is he going to go to his parents house? Get a roomate? Then what happens to Odessa? The burden on him will be bigger at a moment that shouldn't be...
It seems to me that he is depressed, and needs something to cheer him up, but a pet is a serious commitment for life.
If he really really wants Odessa, or another kitty, he should fight for her the right way - getting a job, some means of income, or at least someone hwho can back him up.
post #106 of 145
9/2/09 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by carolinalima View Post
It seems to me that he is depressed, and needs something to cheer him up, but a pet is a serious commitment for life.
If he really really wants Odessa, or another kitty, he should fight for her the right way - getting a job, some means of income, or at least someone hwho can back him up.

Yes, exactly. He knows of the commitment. He wants to get a job, but getting a job would be leaving Odessa alone for a while. He wanted to get Odessa settled into his home and comfortable before getting a job. He is fully capable of it, he just wanted to get a cat first before becoming employed.

He has enough money saved up to not need to work for a full year, but that isn't including Odessa. That's why he wanted to get his butt in gear once he got Odessa to look for work.

I know you guys are right, so sorry if I am sounding mean. I just know the guy personally and he is super bummed. But I told him he should have expected that.
post #107 of 145
9/3/09 at 7:03am
I can totally see both sides of this. It is a hard pill to swallow, being rejected. But there it is. I think that if he wants to give Odessa a home he will get a job real quick and bring her home. It seems to be the only way to go at this point.
post #108 of 145
9/14/09 at 7:35pm
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Well, he got a cat.

Not Odessa, apparently they told him that Odessa is too old to be tamed, and she isn't up for adoption anymore.

So Odessa will grow old and die in the shelter because this shelter doesn't believe in animals being put to sleep.

He got a male black and white cat named Loops, who is 8 years old. He looks very much like Odessa! Only less fat

Want to know how he got the cat? He lied. Yep. Lied. But he showed me photos of him and the cat and he is soooooooooooooo happy, which is very rare for him.

Loops will definitely give him that push he needs to get his life back into order. He said the cat is very affectionate and loves to be petted Don't bash him for lying! He is very happy right now.
post #109 of 145
9/14/09 at 8:26pm
I'm very upset her felt that he had to lie to adopt a cat. Why did he not pick another group to adopt from - or adopt privately?

Please do not condone lying to adopt a pet. Try to compare how I feel right now to how you felt when you first found out he was denied adopting Odessa.

Happy or not - he still lied. If the shelter lied to him about something - would he not be furious?
post #110 of 145
9/14/09 at 8:29pm
We had a cat at our shelter for over a year, and he didn't mind He was the uncle kitty who took all the newbies under his paw. He would groom the kittens, discipline them if they got too rough, and snuggle with them. Odessa probably just sees it as her new home, and hopefully is being treated relatively well. If she was happily sleeping when he first turned up, then she's probably not too stressed.

I'm glad he got a cat, although lying to get one really isn't the best course of action. What's done is done though. I hope he and kitty can share many happy years together.
post #111 of 145
9/14/09 at 8:40pm
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I'm very upset her felt that he had to lie to adopt a cat. Why did he not pick another group to adopt from - or adopt privately?

Please do not condone lying to adopt a pet. Try to compare how I feel right now to how you felt when you first found out he was denied adopting Odessa.

Happy or not - he still lied. If the shelter lied to him about something - would he not be furious?

The shelter DID lie to him, many times.

Who really cares about the lying in this case, now the cat has a home instead of living in a shelter. I feel happy for both him and the cat.

Being unemployed should not hinder a persons ability to adopt a cat, as long as they are not homeless or something ridiculous like that. He has a home and plenty of money right now, and he is currently looking for a job. Loops is going to make him very happy and vise versa.
post #112 of 145
9/14/09 at 8:42pm
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We had a cat at our shelter for over a year, and he didn't mind He was the uncle kitty who took all the newbies under his paw. He would groom the kittens, discipline them if they got too rough, and snuggle with them. Odessa probably just sees it as her new home, and hopefully is being treated relatively well. If she was happily sleeping when he first turned up, then she's probably not too stressed.

I'm glad he got a cat, although lying to get one really isn't the best course of action. What's done is done though. I hope he and kitty can share many happy years together.
They noted that Odessa is very frightened in the shelter dispite being there for a year. They will all the sudden not have Odessa up for adoption because "she is old and untameable". And they don't believe in putting her to sleep, so she will eventually die in the shelter.
post #113 of 145
9/14/09 at 8:55pm
You would know that people here would be against lying to adopt a cat.

The rescue was just doing what they thought was in the best interest of the cat. You may not agree, but after a year they are probably even more picky about getting her to what they feel is the perfect home as they would know her well.

Like I said - what's done is done.
post #114 of 145
9/14/09 at 8:59pm
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You would know that people here would be against lying to adopt a cat.

The rescue was just doing what they thought was in the best interest of the cat. You may not agree, but after a year they are probably even more picky about getting her to what they feel is the perfect home as they would know her well.

Like I said - what's done is done.

And like I said, this shelter has had many complaints...not just because people are angry about being rejected. Like REAL complaints. All he wanted to do was rescue a cat, and he was being turned down for not a good reason. 8 years old and adopted? You guys should be jumping through the roof. Most people want kittens!

You don't know him though, I know that, but I personally am very happy for him, so I can see why you guys wont really understand.
post #115 of 145
9/14/09 at 9:45pm
I want to know the follow up to this story in a year. Why? Because this person seems to be adopting a pet for the wrong reasons, at the wrong time - thus the need to lie. I just hope this kitty is not going to end up back in a shelter, and that he DOES understand the extent of this commitment.

I am sorry, you are right... I don't know him... and I can't judge him, but something seems odd here... he tried 3 times... it took him lying to get a kitty? not only that, but an old one... IMO evidently there is something amiss... Reading the whole thread made me nervous.... I don't know... This kid doesn't sound stable IMHHO...
post #116 of 145
9/14/09 at 9:46pm
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Originally Posted by Degu_2009 View Post
And like I said, this shelter has had many complaints...not just because people are angry about being rejected. Like REAL complaints. All he wanted to do was rescue a cat, and he was being turned down for not a good reason. 8 years old and adopted? You guys should be jumping through the roof. Most people want kittens!

You don't know him though, I know that, but I personally am very happy for him, so I can see why you guys wont really understand.
Being unemployed is an excellent reason to turn someone down...that's a person who if not now, but soon will be unable to provide for the animal should something happen. The fact that earlier in this thread, you said your friend had money in the bank, but not "like 20K"...I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist. That tells me that this person really doesn't have that much of a cushion in today's society. He doesn't. Money can go very quickly, and finding a job these days is not a slam dunk.

You keep talking about the "complaints" against this shelter...you're hearing that second hand, so that doesn't hold any water, and you've provided no proof.

What we are sure of is that your friend lied to get what he wanted, without regard to the policies and wants of the shelter. That wasn't a mature action, and you're never going to convince most here that it is. No, I'm not jumping up and down as you think I should, and I won't. It's disrespectful to the shelter that took that cat in and provided medical care, food and shelter for that animal, and IMO, lying to them was a selfish action.
post #117 of 145
9/14/09 at 9:53pm
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Lol whatever, I don't care what any of you say anymore, you all sound biased. He has the cat, and that's that. He's happy, and the cat seems happy. He's wanted this for a long while and it's finally happened.

He could have went to Petco and picked up a cat and nobody would have even cared, but since it was a Shelter, ooo nooo it's so wrong to lie, he wanted to rescue a cat and that's what he did. If you think a cat is happier living in a shelter than with a loving owner, you are nuts.
post #118 of 145
9/14/09 at 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by Degu_2009 View Post
Lol whatever, I don't care what any of you say anymore, you all sound biased. He has the cat, and that's that. He's happy, and the cat seems happy. He's wanted this for a long while and it's finally happened.

He could have went to Petco and picked up a cat and nobody would have even cared, but since it was a Shelter, ooo nooo it's so wrong to lie, he wanted to rescue a cat and that's what he did. If you think a cat is happier living in a shelter than with a loving owner, you are nuts.
You're choosing to look at this from one side. Yes, he could have gone to Petco...so why didn't he? Why did he have to adopt from that shelter? It doesn't make sense.

I only hope that the cat never needs any emergency medical care, and that your friend finds a job so he can continue to care for the cat. These things do matter whether you want to believe it or not.

Calling those who disagree with you "nuts" is not kind. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them wrong, or crazy.
post #119 of 145
9/14/09 at 10:14pm
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You're choosing to look at this from one side. Yes, he could have gone to Petco...so why didn't he? Why did he have to adopt from that shelter? It doesn't make sense.

I only hope that the cat never needs any emergency medical care, and that your friend finds a job so he can continue to care for the cat. These things do matter whether you want to believe it or not.

Calling those who disagree with you "nuts" is not kind. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't make them wrong, or crazy.
Because he wanted to adopt a shelter cat. You guys here don't condone even stepping foot into a pet store, so why are you asking me that? He loves animals, and wanted to rescue one.

He wasn't looking for a job before because he said "I just don't need the money right now", which is true, he has quite a bit to live off of for a while. But he IS getting a job, so stop acting like he isn't and he's going to run out of money and be homeless and all this stuff.

I can't all anyone nuts, but they can call my friend selfish? Psh.

Maybe if I told you guys that he was some cat beater or irresponsible homeless man off the streets you should be telling me how this was wrong to do, but given the circumstances of what I have told you, I don't believe I should be getting this type of response.
post #120 of 145
9/14/09 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by Degu_2009 View Post
Because he wanted to adopt a shelter cat. You guys here don't condone even stepping foot into a pet store, so why are you asking me that? He loves animals, and wanted to rescue one.

He wasn't looking for a job before because he said "I just don't need the money right now", which is true, he has quite a bit to live off of for a while. But he IS getting a job, so stop acting like he isn't and hes going to run out of money and be homeless and all this stuff.

I can't all anyone nuts, but they can call my friend selfish? Psh.
The Petco's here have rescued cats from various organizations in it's stores...not cats from breeders. I assumed yours was the same way. I've never seen a Petco with BYB cats, but perhaps yours is different.

Wanting to get a job, and actually getting a job are two very different things. Many fields are saturated, and there aren't jobs available. He could have waited until he had a job. That's all anyone is saying.

I said it was a selfish act. I didn't call your friend a selfish person. That's two very different things.

I'm just saying that most here will not condone his lying to get the cat.
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