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post #31 of 48
I second what others said about savannah and bengal looking different. Does this look like a bengal to you?
http://www.enchanted-cats.com/HighPe...teF1Female.jpg

It doesn't to me. It's an F1 Savannah
post #32 of 48
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Thank you for your kind replies. I couldn't believe my question turned into kind of a debate, I didn't mean to offend. I actually want a Savannah more for their size than the spots (thought the spots are nice). I think the smaller spotted cats are lovely, with or without wild blood. In fact, my spotted tabby Speck is quite the heartbreaker, if I do say so myself.
post #33 of 48
I think that bengals and savannah's are beautiful cats, I just don't believe that the ends justified the means. They are the result of the unnatural breeding of different species of cats. And they come from wild cats which at some point in time had to have been caught and kept in cages. Domesticated cats have associated themselves with humans for thousands of years, and have been selectively bred into the forms they come in now.. the practice of breeding wild cats back into them is pretty recent....
post #34 of 48
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Thank you for your kind replies. I couldn't believe my question turned into kind of a debate, I didn't mean to offend. I actually want a Savannah more for their size than the spots (thought the spots are nice). I think the smaller spotted cats are lovely, with or without wild blood. In fact, my spotted tabby Speck is quite the heartbreaker, if I do say so myself.
It's to bad you can't get the info you were looking for, I don't know enough about the breed to give acuate info. Every breed question (especially when it envolves hybrids or exotics) tend to become a fight about wild blood/cat overpopulation, or too many breeders already breeding them, ect.
Since they are such a new breed and people are still fearful of change, ect. Mabey you could google them and do some web site searches and ask people who are not against them. You probley won't get specific breed info, just personal opinions about them and how they shouldn't be bred.
Personally (and im sure this will start a flurry of personal insults, lol!) I wouldn't mind a savannah, but what I would really like to get (never gonna happen though, before people really freak out, it's just a pipe dream) is the serval.
post #35 of 48
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I think that bengals and savannah's are beautiful cats, I just don't believe that the ends justified the means. They are the result of the unnatural breeding of different species of cats. And they come from wild cats which at some point in time had to have
It's common for species to breed with their close relatives. Look at ligers and tigons, zorse, of course donkey someone already mentioned, there are many examples...It's not unnatural.
post #36 of 48
I'm sorry, but that is not common. That is a gimmick dreamed up by people trying to make money off "freakshow" animals. Zoos and circuses have done it for years. Ligons and Ligers and those kinds of crosses are not generally healthy - and there is a website dedicated to discussing the differences somewhere. I found it one day. The two animal's bone structure and growth hormones are so different that two completely different animals will be born depending on which species is the mother and vice versa.

Mules have been bred for years for domestic use. They are larger than donkeys and hardier than horses. They have a purpose. Cross bred animals for profit just doesn't cut it for me, and that is what this thread was - a request for opinions.
post #37 of 48
Lion/Tiger crosses are not natural as they would not occur in the wild. Lions and Tigers would never meet considering one is in Africa and the other in Asia.

And most wild cats would NOT naturally breed with domestic cats. If they did, don't you think there would be a lot more Bobcat/Lynx crosses with feral cats? Or even where the other wild cats live - there are domestic cats in the area - and they don't breed.

Man forces the cats to breed by caging them. And some wild cats have a longer gestation period which can kill a domestic cat (or a shorter one).
post #38 of 48
Actually, it happens by accident with tigers and lions. It's standard procedure in zoos to keep them separate but it can happen...Anyway, i'm fascinated with hybrids...The zebra and horse hybrid is beautiful also


And it would be happening in the wild if they species weren't isolated from each other....
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by Sohni View Post

Mules have been bred for years for domestic use. They are larger than donkeys and hardier than horses. They have a purpose. Cross bred animals for profit just doesn't cut it for me, and that is what this thread was - a request for opinions.


Yes the OP did ask for opinions, didn't they? I'm sure she wasn't prepared for that, and doesn't do it again. She will probley word it better in the future sticking to asking for acurate info and not personal opinions, if she even dears to ask any one again
post #40 of 48
It's called evolution.

Evolution doesn't have to come by chance, it can be invoked.
post #41 of 48
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Man forces the cats to breed by caging them. And some wild cats have a longer gestation period which can kill a domestic cat (or a shorter one).
They either breed or they don't right? You aren't "forcing" 2 animals to breed just by caging two different species together, in many cases that won't work no matter how close of quarters. They will either breed themselves naturally or won't. Other factors come into play, like stress and so on. Sometimes two of the same species won't even successfully breed if the conditions are not right.

Placing two animals together and them eventually choosing to breed is different than say artificial insemination. That would be forced IMO.
post #42 of 48
Maybe forced was not the right choice of words. I meant that in the natural wild where there are no cages, the domestic cats and wild cats would not breed. In most cases the wild cat would probably kill the domestic.

If you have a group of feral domestic cats and a bobcat/lynx comes around - he will not mate naturally with the females in the group. It happens once in a while - not on a regular basis.

But if man steps in and confines the two together, then it would be more likely for them to breed. A Serval and a domestic would not naturally breed if they were totally free.
post #43 of 48
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Yes the OP did ask for opinions, didn't they? I'm sure she wasn't prepared for that, and doesn't do it again. She will probley word it better in the future sticking to asking for acurate info and not personal opinions, if she even dears to ask any one again
You're right, I did ask for opinions. As for the way Savannahs are bred, I haven't talked to a specific breeder about them. I just thought maybe someone on this site might have some personal experience with Savannahs and be able to enlighten me a little as to what it's like to live with them and how they interact with dosmetic pets. I don't have children in the house, so I don't have to worry as much as far as possible safety issues in that aspect. (And this is not a slur against exotics, I would not feel comfortable allowing a child around my 6 lb. DSH Daisy, either.)
post #44 of 48
I know a guy who has an F3 Savannah (I know him through the net so I've never met the cat in person).

The cat is gorgeous and apparently fun to be around. Very energetic and active, the guy also has a small dog and him and the cat get along great and play fight a fair bit.

I know he can't let the cat have free range of the house unsupervised because the cat gets destructive when bored so whenever the cat is left alone it's closed off in the 'cat room' which is filled with cat toys and cat trees and a window to look out of etc.

He's also said that he doesn't think he could handle having two Savannahs (when someone asked if a second cat was planned).

Personally I'd stay away from the F1 and F2s I think they're too much feline for most people to handle. F3s and onwards I think is probably manageable but you have to do research first and decide if you're prepared to live with a very high energy feline that will ruin your chances of having a tidy and polished home. Which is what you're doing now so that's great

As for the wild cat blood in current cat breeds etc, I have a bengal so that pretty much sais where I stand in the matter.
post #45 of 48
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Originally Posted by Kai Bengals View Post
It's called evolution.

Evolution doesn't have to come by chance, it can be invoked.
But is it right to invoke changes that may otherwise take millions of years if they happened at all?

Dont get me wrong, I love the exotic cats, just pondering things
post #46 of 48
Well, you've purchased 2 sphynx. Certainly not a breed that would ever evolve naturally and survive without the care of human beings.

So yes I do think it's right to meddle with mother nature within reason. Of course everyone's definition of "within reason" will differ.
post #47 of 48
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Originally Posted by Kai Bengals View Post
Well, you've purchased 2 sphynx. Certainly not a breed that would ever evolve naturally and survive without the care of human beings.

So yes I do think it's right to meddle with mother nature within reason. Of course everyone's definition of "within reason" will differ.
Touche! LOL You are correct there, no doubt.
post #48 of 48
Oh I love that Zebra Horse combination. I think breeders should persue it. Could you imagine owning and riding a horse that looks like the above picture? If I had the money, I would really try to persue the breed.
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