I do not believe in it
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1/24/08 at 6:35pm
Sorry, but this is a total cop-out. You claim to be a pro-active and educated owner and so will not have your own cats declawed, but you will perform the surgery on your clients cats. Boo on you.
It should be your obligation to educate your clients and help them to be pro-active as well. You should refuse to declaw their cats, regardless of age and if you lose a customer in the process, you will gain 2 more for each one you lose when word gets out that you're running a humane and caring practice.
By the way, you can have a clinic made up solely of educated clients, you need only take the time to educate them. That's part of your responsibilty and part of what you get paid for.
I firmly, firmly believe the majority of declaws are pushed so they make money for the vet clinic. I've seen it myself.
|Vet Surg. 1994 Jul-Aug;23(4):274-80.Links
Feline onychectomy at a teaching institution: a retrospective study of 163 cases.
Department of Veterinary Clinical Sciences, Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine, Pullman 99164-6610.
One hundred sixty-three cats underwent onychectomy from January 1985 to November 1992. Onychectomy was performed with guillotine-type nail shears (62%), surgical blade (24.5%), or both (8.6%), and wound closure consisted of bandages alone (61.3%), bandages after suture closure (26.4%), or tissue adhesive application (9.2%). The duration of surgery was significantly longer when onychectomy was performed with a blade or when suture closure was used instead of bandages alone (P < .05). Fifty percent of the cats had one or more complications immediately after surgery. Early postoperative complications included pain (38.1%), hemorrhage (31.9%), lameness (26.9%), swelling (6.3%), or non-weight-bearing (5.6%), and were observed more frequently after blade onychectomy (P < .001). Follow-up was available in 121 cats; 19.8% developed complications after release. Late postoperative complications included infection (11.6%), regrowth (7.4%), P2 protrusion (1.7%), palmagrade stance (1.7%), and prolonged, intermittent lameness (0.8%). Late postoperative complications were observed more frequently after shears onychectomy (P = .018). Use of tissue adhesive was associated with more postoperative lameness (P < .02) and, when used after shears onychectomy, with more infections (P = .049).
|Declawing of Domestic Cats
(Current as of June 2005)
Declawing of domestic cats should be considered only after attempts have been made to prevent the cat from using its claws destructively or when its clawing presents a zoonotic risk for its owner(s).
The AVMA believes it is the obligation of veterinarians to provide cat owners with complete education with regard to feline onychectomy. The following points are the foundation for full understanding and disclosure regarding declawing:
* Scratching is a normal feline behavior, is a means for cats to mark their territory both visually and with scent, and is used for claw conditioning ("husk" removal) and stretching activity.
* Owners must provide suitable implements for normal scratching behavior. Examples are scratching posts, cardboard boxes, lumber or logs, and carpet or fabric remnants affixed to stationary objects. Implements should be tall or long enough to allow full stretching, and be firmly anchored to provide necessary resistance to scratching. Cats should be positively reinforced in the use of these implements.
* Appropriate claw care (consisting of trimming the claws every 1 to 2 weeks) should be provided to prevent injury or damage to household items.
* Surgical declawing is not a medically necessary procedure for the cat in most cases. While rare in occurrence, there are inherent risks and complications with any surgical procedure including, but not limited to, anesthetic complications, hemorrhage, infection, and pain. If onychectomy is performed, appropriate use of safe and effective anesthetic agents and the use of safe peri-operative analgesics for an appropriate length of time are imperative. The surgical alternative of tendonectomy is not recommended.
* Declawed cats should be housed indoors.
* Scientific data do indicate that cats that have destructive clawing behavior are more likely to be euthanatized, or more readily relinquished, released, or abandoned, thereby contributing to the homeless cat population. Where scratching behavior is an issue as to whether or not a particular cat can remain as an acceptable household pet in a particular home, surgical onychectomy may be considered.
* There is no scientific evidence that declawing leads to behavioral abnormalities when the behavior of declawed cats is compared with that of cats in control groups.
For those who wanted to know:
Her is the German Animal Welfare Act:
Removal of catâ€™s claw
(1) A person, other than a veterinary surgeon, must not remove a catâ€™s
Maximum penaltyâ€”300 penalty units or 1 yearâ€™s imprisonment.
(2) A veterinary surgeon must not remove a catâ€™s claw unless the
surgeon reasonably considers the removal is in the interests of the catâ€™s
Maximum penaltyâ€”300 penalty units or 1 yearâ€™s imprisonment.
There are more. Imagine all the years our vets would be in prison? It isn't just up to the vets. It is also a supply and demand thing. We gotta educate people so they understand what this is. So they get mad when they hear "Would you like a declaw with that?" as though the toes are nothing more than a side of fries.
When I got kittens a vet tech asked if I was going to declaw them and I said no. She was a little supprised, but the vet said, "Oh no, she works with a rescue group she would never declaw her cats." I did not mind being asked and when I said no it was accepted. There is one vet in the practice that I refuse to see because when I took Isaac to be neutered he tried to talk me into declawing him. I said no I would not declaw him and he proceeded to tell me how they had good pain control methods. I simply replied no I do not believe in declawing. He said, "Well if it ever becomes a problem..." I stoped him and said, "I have no problems with the other two, there will be no problem with him." This made me angry. I was checking Isaac in with him, but knew the other vet who knew me would be operating on him or I might have walked back out with him. That is the only vet out of the 5, that are in that practice, that has ever said anything about me not declawing. I think it is OK if the vet asks, but they should not try to sway the owner towards declawing. Like I said, I now refuse to take any of my cats to that vet.
|Fifty percent of the cats had one or more complications immediately after surgery. Early postoperative complications included pain (38.1%), hemorrhage (31.9%), lameness (26.9%), swelling (6.3%), or non-weight-bearing (5.6%), and were observed more frequently after blade onychectomy (P < .001). Follow-up was available in 121 cats; 19.8% developed complications after release. Late postoperative complications included infection (11.6%), regrowth (7.4%), P2 protrusion (1.7%), palmagrade stance (1.7%), and prolonged, intermittent lameness (0.8%).|
Ya know, while we're on the subject of declawing, my vet was trying to talk me into it the other day and he said the only way he does it now is by laser??? Is this just as hard on them as the old way?? (I dont know how BooBoo got it done, but it was 7 years ago, so whatever they did back then) I was just kind of curious on the matter! Not that I would do it again, even though I love the way BooBoos paws feel when he's pretending to scratch me! LOL
Originally Posted by GoodCatsWearBlack.com
# Published 2/1/03 on CourierPostOnline.com, "Eighty percent of the cats that are surrendered that are declawed are euthanized because they have a behavioral problem…. Declawed cats frequently become biters and also stop using litter boxes… One or the other…,” said William Lombardi shelter director, Gloucester County, New Jersey.
# A study of 163 cats that underwent onychectomy (declawing), published in the Jul/Aug 1994 Journal of Veterinary Surgery, showed that 50% suffered from immediate postoperative complications such as pain, hemorrhage, and lameness; and long-term complications, including prolonged lameness, were found in nearly 20% of the 121 cats who were followed up on in the study.
# In a study published in the January, 2001 JAVMA, 33% of 39 cats that underwent onychectomy developed "at least" one behavior problem immediately after surgery, with the most common problems being litter box problems and biting.
# In a recent study published October, 2001, JAVMA by Dr. Gary J. Patronek, VMD, PhD., “…declawed cats were at an increased risk of relinquishment.”
# A recent national survey of shelters from the Caddo Parrish Forgotten Felines and Friends indicates that approximately 70% of cats turned in to shelters for behavioral problems are declawed.
# From the Summer 2002 issue of PETA’s Animal Times: “A survey by a Delaware animal shelter showed that more than 75% of the cats turned in for avoiding their litter boxes had been declawed.”
Originally Posted by CatTherapist.com
West Hollywood (CA) Declaw Ban Upheld by Appellate Court
June 22, 2007: The Second District Court of Appeals in Los Angeles upheld the 2003 West Hollywood (CA) Declaw Ban and overturned the 2003 ruling of a Los Angeles city judge. Justice Denis Perluss began the announcement of the court's 2-1 majority opinion by citing Mahatma Ghandi's now-famous statement, "The greatness of a nation and it's moral progress be judged by the way its animals are treated.''
This decision may still be appealed to the California Supreme Court, as the West Hollywood law has been opposed since before it's passage by the California Veterinary Medical Association (rather ironic, no?).
Here is a link to the San Francisco Chronicle's article detailing the legal issues: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../23/DECLAW.TMP
Originally Posted by CatTherapist.com
BIG NEWS: NORFOLK (VA) BANS DE-CLAWING OF CATS!
April 25, 2007: Norfolk (Virginia) is taking a stand for it's feline friends. If you want to de-claw your kitty, you're going to have to go another city. Norfolk recently passed a law that makes de-clawing illegal for anything but medical purposes. The law also covers tail docking and ear cropping.
This news appears to have surprised Anti De-clawing activists, whose attention was focused on legal efforts in West Hollywood (FL) and elsewhere. But, as one activist put it: "No disrespect intended to West Hollywood (or Norfolk, for that matter), but if an "ordinary" city like Norfolk can do it, what excuse do other (presumably wealthier, more progressive cities. Editor) places have for NOT doing it?" We heartily agree.
WTK News Channel 3, Norfolk, May 30, 2007: http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp...4&nav=ZolHbyvj
International Veterinary Academy of Pain Management
"Current Topics of Discussion:"
Are declaws in cats that are performed using lasers less painful than using a surgical blade? Aside from individual observations, are their any controlled studies that have evaluated this question? If a declaw is performed using a laser, what type of pain control protocols are used?
We kick this around on VIN from time to time. The AVMA study published by the MSU gang concluded that "Differences in discomfort and complications between groups treated via scalpel versus CO2 laser were not clinically relevant and were only observed 1 day after surgery." See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q..._uids=12216902 for the abstract. Those with lasers generally feel that there is more of an advantage than MSU could demonstrate in a controlled study. I'm sure we'll hear from them.
My unblinded observation of cats that underwent declaws with surgical blade vs. laser is that there is no difference at all in the level of pain experienced by these patients. At first, the practice did not give analgesics to laser declaw patients because they thought they were not painful. Placing them beside cats with blade declaw plus analgesics (described below) showed this opinion to be wrong. After observing the difference all cats received either a fentanyl patch placed the day before the procedure then topped off with morphine the day of and as needed or buprenorphine on a TID schedule beginning pre-op.
Two references are posted below. Despite advances in "how" we do these procedures my belief remains the same and that is that these are unneccessary surgeries and are listed under "mutilations" that cannot be performed legally in some countries such as the United Kingdom. In addition there is no evidence to support a greater number of cats being surrendered because of them not being declawed.
1. Levy J, Lapham B, Hardie E, McBride M: Evaluation of laser onychectomy in the cat. 19th Annual Meeting of the American Society of Laser Medicine and Surgery, Lake Buena Vista, FL, 1999.
2. Mison M, Bohart G, Walshaw R, Winters C, Hauptman J: Use of carbon dioxide laser for onychectomy in cats. J Am Vet Med Assoc 2002; 221(5): 651-653.
For all kinds of reasons, ethically based primarily, we don't do declaws unless there is a strong medical indication. So little info to be expected from this side of the ocean.
The discussion goes on some see a difference - see the link at the top of the quote
Some people have said that they would rather see the cat declawed then lose it's home...but some of these studies reflect that if a declawed cat develops problems post operation, then they are right back to possibly loosing their homes, but now they have even more behavorial problems. Who wins in this situation?
I am not as against it as some other posters here.
I've seen cats who had it done and they are doing fine.
I did not do it to my cats even though the vet did offer declaw/neuter discount.
My cats aren't scratching any furniture anyway. They are only scratching on their posts.
One of the cats does scratch himself though.
With his back paws. He is a self-mutilator. If I thought that declawing him would help with his scratching, I would do it.
2 GOOD owners for every bad one I turn away?? Could it really be true?? I'm not going to hold my breath, and I'm just going to do the best I can.
So instead of telling me I'm going to be a bad vet, how about you show me some hard core research?? My experience tells me something different than your experience... so lets see some hard core FACTS to settle this.