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post #31 of 53
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Originally Posted by LondonKat View Post
Okay, I am officially overwhelmed and unsure about what to feed my kitties now...

I am also shocked to learn that vets don't know any of this... how can they be the medical authority and not know the latest research like in any other field? I am floored.

Can anyone help me decipher what to do? I am looking for the best option as well as the most economical (value for price, etc). Also, I am concerned about wet b/c I don't know how much to feed my kitties and how often. Plus, if I go out of town (for a long weekend), I would have to leave dry for them? If I am gone for multiple days, I have someone to check on them, but not every day...

Thanks!
Send me a PM and I will work with you for what you can get
post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by LondonKat View Post
Hi! I'd like to jump in on this topic b/c I have a lot of questions surronding this. I have been reading up on different types of cat foods in order to educate myself and keep my 6-month-old kitties in the best of health.

I recently bought a bag of dry EVO. I wanted something natural and without any of the grains or other stuff that is not helpful for cats. The bag of EVO was actually cheaper than Science Diet! My cats seem to like it, but the "end product" is quite stinky if you catch my drift. I don't think they have diarreha, it's solid and maybe a little soft... but it smells BAD. Also, it seems like my kitties get a little gassy (again, very stinky). (sorry if that grosses anyone out!)

I was raised on the "dry is better" philosophy, but now I am reading that wet isn't bad for them. Also, I've been leaving the dry out (about a cup and a half for the two to share, following the guidelines of 3/4 cup per cat per day) for them to graze on all day. I am concerned that one is getting heavy too soon. But, they are only 6 months old, so I don't want to deprive them.

Are the predominant opinions now that wet food is better? No dry? less to graze on? I understand there isn't one "best" brand. Is there an article/book/website somewhere that rates all of the brands and their pros and cons for cat health? I want to research this further, I just need some help on where to look.

Thank you for your time,
LK.
My cats eat Evo canned. But I recently bought a bag of dry because my new cat likes dry better. Both cats got really nasty gas. But I think I didn't mix enough of the old stuff in with it. I'm hoping the gas goes away once I gradually reintroduce it a little slower.
post #33 of 53
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Originally Posted by LondonKat View Post
Okay, I am officially overwhelmed and unsure about what to feed my kitties now...

I am also shocked to learn that vets don't know any of this... how can they be the medical authority and not know the latest research like in any other field? I am floored.

Can anyone help me decipher what to do? I am looking for the best option as well as the most economical (value for price, etc). Also, I am concerned about wet b/c I don't know how much to feed my kitties and how often. Plus, if I go out of town (for a long weekend), I would have to leave dry for them? If I am gone for multiple days, I have someone to check on them, but not every day...

Thanks!
Consult a veterinarian with a true understanding of animal nutrition. Holistic vets usually know more than regular vets. Perhaps these two vets Elizabeth Hodgekins and Lisa Pierson can help you. Elizabeth Hodgekins wrote a book. I'm thinking about buying it just for informational purposes.

http://www.all-about-cats.com/your_cat.htm
www.catinfo.org
post #34 of 53
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Originally Posted by moggiegirl View Post
Consult a veterinarian with a true understanding of animal nutrition. Holistic vets usually know more than regular vets. Perhaps these two vets Elizabeth Hodgekins and Lisa Pierson can help you. Elizabeth Hodgekins wrote a book. I'm thinking about buying it just for informational purposes.

http://www.all-about-cats.com/your_cat.htm
www.catinfo.org
I will skip that book... ORGAN meats are IMPERATIVE >.. ummmmm

... they are if making a homemade or raw diet
post #35 of 53
To the original poster, $60 sounds fairly expensive, I can get the large bag of EVO for that but I know that it can cost up to $70 in another store so shop around, the 5 pet stores in my city have a big variance in pricing for premium foods.

Orijen is usually cheaper than Innova and EVO if you want to stick to a premium foor (and Orijen is made in Canada)
post #36 of 53
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
I will skip that book... ORGAN meats are IMPERATIVE >.. ummmmm

... they are if making a homemade or raw diet
Would you please explain the negative reaction? I haven't even read the book yet but she does seem like a very highly respectable vet as she specializes in feline diabetis and has been very helpful to people who have cats with this condition.

I don't think I would close my mind to a vet who actually has some knowledge in the area of animal nutrition. I'm not saying follow her advice or even read the book, noone has to, but to totally knock my suggestion and say that you will "skip this book." Whatever. I ordered it and I'm going to read it no matter who knocks it and if I like it I'll use the information.
post #37 of 53
I should tell you that Orijen is not cheap - I pay close to $50 for a bag.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by moggiegirl View Post
Would you please explain the negative reaction? I haven't even read the book yet but she does seem like a very highly respectable vet as she specializes in feline diabetis and has been very helpful to people who have cats with this condition.

I don't think I would close my mind to a vet who actually has some knowledge in the area of animal nutrition. I'm not saying follow her advice or even read the book, noone has to, but to totally knock my suggestion and say that you will "skip this book." Whatever. I ordered it and I'm going to read it no matter who knocks it and if I like it I'll use the information.
I read it. It's a very good book. She is quite knowledgeable about nutrition IMO. She doesn't like foods with fruits and vegetables, and even says they aren't good for your cat because of how they are digested. I can see where that might not agree with some people. She also says that by-products are more digestible than fruits and veggies. She advocates the all meat, with by-products wet food from the grocery store over some of the "all natural" products because of the fruits/veggie issue.

It's probably a controversial book because she doesn't say what people want to hear. She tells you what your cat needs you to know. She says some by-products are actually good for your cat. Which makes sense, cats don't hunt blueberries and broccoli when left to their own devices.

I recommend reading it. I also have read Whole Health for Happy Cats.
post #39 of 53
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
I should tell you that Orijen is not cheap - I pay close to $50 for a bag.
No it isn't (and you get it cheaper than me )
It is cheaper than EVO or what the OP is paying for regular Innova though
post #40 of 53
I know the OP is in Canada, but just FWIW, I think EVO is typically cheaper in the US. Orijen isn't available in my area yet, but even if I ordered both online, EVO would be a little cheaper.
post #41 of 53
They both are cheap now online
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by LondonKat View Post

I am also shocked to learn that vets don't know any of this... how can they be the medical authority and not know the latest research like in any other field? I am floored.


Thanks!
The keys words here are "medical authority". Most vets do NOT get much in the way of nutrition training at vet school, thus most vets are pretty ignorant of quality foods.

Addressing the remark re "gimmicky water fountains", our cats love the water fountain and drink much more water that ever before. Just as our bodies benefit from drinking more water I can only believe our cats do as well.

When it comes to food advice, I'll trust Sharky's above a lot of others as she has done her homework and knows of what she speaks.
post #43 of 53
I was not KNOCKING it just saying I will pass since that basic statement send s me the other way since IT GOES AGAINST every other Natural vets advice ... I do read alot of different stuff from all sources

Vets like your dr get one course of nutrition... and unlike human drs a vets is mostly written by RX food companies... so unless they do a sub set degree ( like mine who has a masters in animal nutrition ) they only get education from the RX perspective, which I do appreciate
post #44 of 53
Thread Starter 
sharky can you please tell us what you think of innova lite for fat cats?

OR innova adult? (red bag)

How would they compare to orgin?
post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
I was not KNOCKING it just saying I will pass since that basic statement send s me the other way since IT GOES AGAINST every other Natural vets advice ...
But most people do not have experience with any natural vets.

I checked out the pricing in my local store while I was getting litter

Innova's biggest bag is $47
EVO is $65
Orijen is $55
post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
But most people do not have experience with any natural vets.

I checked out the pricing in my local store while I was getting litter

Innova's biggest bag is $47
EVO is $65
Orijen is $55

So true

here EVO runs about 50 for a big bag..

orijen I dont have locally and am waiting for a shipping quote



I WOULD NOT suggest the light the fat IMHO is too low ... the red bag is fine depending how much grain you are okay with... the light wet IS EXCELLENT
post #47 of 53
Thread Starter 
ok thanks

Here is my big issue i have 3 cats that have diff needs

I have a growing kitten

I have a senior cat who is in PERFECT shape! BUT he has bad teeth and the vet suggests I use something specially made for teeth which is why I mix T/D in it

I have a cat that gains weight really fast and gets fat, she turned into a hippo when she was on EVO dispite all the exercise she got


I do give canned food few times a week (EVO & innova) but I still like to have a stable dry food, canned is more of a treat they all get while dry food is left out 24/7

My senior cat has an amazing body but his coat is kinda looking nasty but then again hes 15 years old so thats suppose to be expected! BUt he gets white flakey dandruff sometimes and his hair just gets knotty, I do brush him

Any personal advice for dry food for my situation?
post #48 of 53
UMmm your needing three formulas unless you find a great all stage .... Natural balence may work for the older and the kitten... i would suggest a indoor formula for the other ... Nutro and Royal canin make good ones
post #49 of 53
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Originally Posted by Yosemite View Post
Addressing the remark re "gimmicky water fountains", our cats love the water fountain and drink much more water that ever before.
I'm glad your cats like them, but the fountains seem like a PITA to me, and I don't think my cat is interested. I've provided her with running water, and she doesn't show any interest. Some cats don't care about them, and some cats are even "scared" of them. I don't doubt that that they work well for some people, but cats have wildly varying reactions to water, and I'm very skeptical about their effect on the "average" cat.
post #50 of 53
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Originally Posted by MechanicalMan View Post
I'm glad your cats like them, but the fountains seem like a PITA to me, and I don't think my cat is interested. I've provided her with running water, and she doesn't show any interest. Some cats don't care about them, and some cats are even "scared" of them. I don't doubt that that they work well for some people, but cats have wildly varying reactions to water, and I'm very skeptical about their effect on the "average" cat.
One of mine won't use it, one of mine uses the water bowl AND fountain, and one of mine ONLY drinks out of the fountain. They keep me on my toes. I agree that not all cats like them.
post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by chausiefan View Post
ok thanks

Here is my big issue i have 3 cats that have diff needs

I have a growing kitten

I have a senior cat who is in PERFECT shape! BUT he has bad teeth and the vet suggests I use something specially made for teeth which is why I mix T/D in it

I have a cat that gains weight really fast and gets fat, she turned into a hippo when she was on EVO dispite all the exercise she got

I do give canned food few times a week (EVO & innova) but I still like to have a stable dry food, canned is more of a treat they all get while dry food is left out 24/7

My senior cat has an amazing body but his coat is kinda looking nasty but then again hes 15 years old so thats suppose to be expected! BUt he gets white flakey dandruff sometimes and his hair just gets knotty, I do brush him

Any personal advice for dry food for my situation?
There are many threads on the usefulness of TD food for teeth. Basically, if his teeth are already bad nothing can really help them, TD has limited teeth cleaning abilities IF your cat chews on every tooth (most cats do not chew dry food) but can not make their teeth better, nor attempt to clean them if the cat does not chew using all teeth.

It sounds like you would be best trying to find something that is all life stages, the brand is personal preference. To be honest, as much as we can all recommend foods, they work for our cats but may not work for yours (like EVO, some cats gain, others lose and you have to monitor amounts of it carefully)
post #52 of 53
As far as fountains, mine all love them and I do not find them gimmicky at all. It saves me cleaning a soaked floor from Boomer emptying water over the floor too.

I guess it is personal preference for cats, like some people prefer different types of glasses to drink from, but I wouldn't go as far as to say they are gimmicky
post #53 of 53
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Originally Posted by icklemiss21 View Post
As far as fountains, mine all love them and I do not find them gimmicky at all. It saves me cleaning a soaked floor from Boomer emptying water over the floor too.

I guess it is personal preference for cats, like some people prefer different types of glasses to drink from, but I wouldn't go as far as to say they are gimmicky
Ah yes - Boomer.

I guess we were lucky - our two took to the fountains immediately. The first fountain I got was PetMate and the motor gave out after 6 months. It also had open water in the bottom bowl which got dirty with "stuff" falling in it. I replaced it with a CatIt and the water stays clean, the kitties love it and I find it easy to clean. I clean it out completely every Saturday and every 3 or so weeks I put vinegar in it to clean out any scale.

The cats drink so much more water that I certainly don't consider it a gimmick in any way. It also saves washing and supplying fresh water bowls twice a day. By changing to a better food and adding a fountain, our kitties look healthier, Bijou has dropped some of his extra weight and both have shiny, velvet-looking fur.
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