Ziwipeak canned

[lisamarie12]

 
Are you part of the IBD raw feeding group on FB? I don't know why I just found out about it but tons of info! In fact they referred me to a hyperthyroidism group that's amazing too. I feel so much better about Fluff's I-131 treatment this weekend. Hope you can sort out what to do with Molly next. I was reading that people are having issues with the new RC too  

No, I'd really like to join the FB group, however, I have "issues" with FB - privacy issues primarily. I don't do any social media sites other than this forum and a Flickr site for my photography. I've heard great things about the Ibd raw fed group.

Oh! It's this weekend for Fluff - I was thinking about that recently actually, I'm sure you are a bit anxious, understandably but I'm sure after it's all done, Fluff will have the best possibly outcome.

This bothers me re: Rad Cat - not the HPP but that it's altering the taste??!! Oh no ...... I've been using venison for my little guy Mikey but it's still the non-HPP, sigh ... getting very close to ordering boneless from HT.  Wish I could use that Food Fur Life.

As far as Molly, we are going to get her allergy tested, just the food panel as we can't afford both food / environmental. But guess what?? She has gained weight since Feb - up from 7.6 to 9.4 pounds! I credit the B12 shots, she's had three weeks now of B12. Started her on Nexabiotic about one week ago and fish / krill oil, about two weeks. We are seeing an improvement, finally!!!

Sending lots of purrs for Mr. Fluff, please keep us updated after you return!!!

 

[missmimz]

 
No, I'd really like to join the FB group, however, I have "issues" with FB - privacy issues primarily. I don't do any social media sites other than this forum and a Flickr site for my photography. I've heard great things about the Ibd raw fed group.

Oh! It's this weekend for Fluff - I was thinking about that recently actually, I'm sure you are a bit anxious, understandably but I'm sure after it's all done, Fluff will have the best possibly outcome.

This bothers me re: Rad Cat - not the HPP but that it's altering the taste??!! Oh no ...... I've been using venison for my little guy Mikey but it's still the non-HPP, sigh ... getting very close to ordering boneless from HT.  Wish I could use that Food Fur Life.

As far as Molly, we are going to get her allergy tested, just the food panel as we can't afford both food / environmental. But guess what?? She has gained weight since Feb - up from 7.6 to 9.4 pounds! I credit the B12 shots, she's had three weeks now of B12. Started her on Nexabiotic about one week ago and fish / krill oil, about two weeks. We are seeing an improvement, finally!!!

Sending lots of purrs for Mr. Fluff, please keep us updated after you return!!!

Ah, yes, i totally understand your privacy concerns. 

So good to hear Molly is improving! I just received my bag of EZcomplete. I'm going to try it with some homecooked ground chicken and see what they think of it. They don't really like homecooked but I thought I'd give it a try until I'm ready to make up some raw again. 

Thank you so much for your well wishes 

 

[lisamarie12]

I just received my bag of EZcomplete. I'm going to try it with some homecooked ground chicken and see what they think of it. They don't really like homecooked but I thought I'd give it a try until I'm ready to make up some raw again. 

Would love to hear how the cats react to EZ, definitely keep us posted.

I will be very happy to have Molly allergy tested, even though testing is about 80% accurate, at this point I'll take it - the guessing game drives me batty. I can sort of gauge when eliminating eg chicken and both cats were diagnosed with a chicken allergy when younger but not via testing, just what the vet at that time suspected.

Anyway, that's good you are willing to try homecooked again, along with raw. You just never know. And maybe if they like the homecooked, that will save you $ on canned food so you can do a combo.

 

[missmimz]

 
Would love to hear how the cats react to EZ, definitely keep us posted.

I will be very happy to have Molly allergy tested, even though testing is about 80% accurate, at this point I'll take it - the guessing game drives me batty. I can sort of gauge when eliminating eg chicken and both cats were diagnosed with a chicken allergy when younger but not via testing, just what the vet at that time suspected.

Anyway, that's good you are willing to try homecooked again, along with raw. You just never know. And maybe if they like the homecooked, that will save you $ on canned food so you can do a combo.

I've read that a true chicken allergy is rare. I think it was on EZcomplete's site that they were saying that's why they chose chicken liver because a true allergy is rare, but a sensitivity is more common. Not suggesting your cats don't have the allergy because obviously you located the issue through elimination and it's working. I wonder if the allergy testing will confirm that. 

I really want to eliminate canned and all kibble at some point, but these damn cats eat so much right now it's just hard to keep up! 

 

[lisamarie12]

 
I've read that a true chicken allergy is rare. I think it was on EZcomplete's site that they were saying that's why they chose chicken liver because a true allergy is rare, but a sensitivity is more common. Not suggesting your cats don't have the allergy because obviously you located the issue through elimination and it's working. I wonder if the allergy testing will confirm that. 

I really want to eliminate canned and all kibble at some point, but these damn cats eat so much right now it's just hard to keep up! 

Well, there are different theories about protein allergies in cats / dogs. I also have read (from Tracy at HT), she believes protein allergies are rare. There are cases where some pets are allergic to e.g., any kind of processed / cooked chicken -- kibble, LID canned or even home cooked but they can tolerate raw. Then there are other instances where these pets can't even tolerate raw chicken. That would suggest maybe a genetic factor and the former, the denaturing of proteins and/or other ingredients in the food - starches, carbs, etc.

Mikey stepped on my keyboard and hence "submitted" this post sooner than later.

Then, there's the theory of egg protein in some vaccinations causing chicken allergies. All I know is that my little guy Mikey is still wearing a bib and scratches around the neck area if I give him anything with chicken. The other day I just gave him a few bites of raw boost chicken mixer samples I had. He has reopened a wound that was healing, despite his bib.

 

[lisamarie12]

You've got to do what you've got to do re: whatever works to feed the cats, you've got quite a household and I know it can get expensive. But maybe with EZ, if that works, maybe that could curtail your expenses a bit? I can totally relate ....

 

[missmimz]

 
Well, there are different theories about protein allergies in cats / dogs. I also have read (from Tracy at HT), she believes protein allergies are rare. There are cases where some pets are allergic to e.g., any kind of processed / cooked chicken -- kibble, LID canned or even home cooked but they can tolerate raw. Then there are other instances where these pets can't even tolerate raw chicken. That would suggest maybe a genetic factor and the former, the denaturing of proteins and/or other ingredients in the food - starches, carbs, etc.

Mikey stepped on my keyboard and hence "submitted" this post sooner than later.

Then, there's the theory of egg protein in some vaccinations causing chicken allergies. All I know is that my little guy Mikey is still wearing a bib and scratches around the neck area if I give him anything with chicken. The other day I just gave him a few bites of raw boost chicken mixer samples I had. He has reopened a wound that was healing, despite his bib.

Yeah, I have no doubt that your cats do have a valid allergy as you def did your homework. I hope that allergy testing gives you some answers though. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to find things for Molly to eat especially. 

 

[lisamarie12]

 
Yeah, I have no doubt that your cats do have a valid allergy as you def did your homework. I hope that allergy testing gives you some answers though. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to find things for Molly to eat especially. 

But I don't have a definitive answer, only what I've noticed when I reintroduce chicken and what the vet suspected several years ago, the vet who diagnosed.

Looking forward to the allergy test. Thanks, good luck with Fluff this wkend.

 

[lisahe]

This bothers me re: Rad Cat - not the HPP but that it's altering the taste??!! Oh no ...... I've been using venison for my little guy Mikey but it's still the non-HPP, sigh ... getting very close to ordering boneless from HT.  Wish I could use that Food Fur Life.

Venison apparently won't be HPP-ed. (link) And oh, I am not looking forward to those first HPP containers of Rad Cat; our cats are such creatures of habit. On a happy note, I'm glad to hear Molly's gained some weight!

@missmimz I hope at least some of your cats like the EZcomplete. I still need to order some and figure out what to do for the meat. And I hope Fluff's treatment goes well this weekend!

 

[lisamarie12]

 
Venison apparently won't be HPP-ed. (link) And oh, I am not looking forward to those first HPP containers of Rad Cat; our cats are such creatures of habit. On a happy note, I'm glad to hear Molly's gained some weight!

@missmimz I hope at least some of your cats like the EZcomplete. I still need to order some and figure out what to do for the meat. And I hope Fluff's treatment goes well this weekend!

Oh - similar to Primal which only uses HPP for poultry products which are more prone to bacterial contamination.

I'd love to try that EZ Complete, I may wait until after Molly's allergy testing, discuss chicken liver with vet, see what the results are. The site for the product is so very thorough - wow, I've read it entirely, very informative! I'd love to try it with both raw boneless and home cooking again, my last batch with UStew didn't go over well, I think it was my choice of meat, however.

 

[pushylady]

I am happy to report that after a few days off the Ziwipeak both of my boys are back to normal! Energy levels have even increased. My cancer kitty feels like playing at top speed again! This was definitely food related. Thankfully I purchased by the case from Chewy.com. A refund is already processing and I have them on NV until I can decide exactly what I want to do.

Thanks so much for your wonderful responses! I greatly appreciate them!

That's great!

 

[sam9549]

So ZP is basically passing the buck to the FDA: although the combined meat parts add up to more than the broth, per the FDA, ZP has to list the broth first. Hmm ... well let's see what the FDA has to say specifically about pet food labeling:

Federal regulations require ingredients be listed on the product label by their common or usual name in descending order of predominance according to weight (21 CFR 501.4). A common or usual name is one that accurately identifies or describes the basic nature of the ingredient (21 CFR 502.5). FDA has recognized the definitions as they appear in the Official Publication of AAFCO as the common or usual name for animal feed ingredients including pet food (Compliance Policy Guide 7126.08). There is only one exception to the requirement to list the common or usual name on the label--when the ingredient is part of a collective name. Regulation 21 CFR 501.110 describes the use of collective names. The following are acceptable collective names: animal protein products, forage products, grain products, plant protein products, processed grain byproducts and roughage products. These collective names may be used in the ingredient list for livestock and poultry feeds, but not pet foods.

http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/Products/AnimalFoodFeeds/IngredientsAdditives/default.htm

"According to weight".

Amazon also has outdated ingredients for ZP canned (carrageenan); take a look at this comment though from one of the "question" reviewers re: the canned venison:

... yes this is an outdated label and although they no longer add the sodium tropolyphosphate, the NEW formula contains tetrasodium pyrophosphate, which is a toxic chemical that is used as a flavoring , however, this is also used in cleansers and rust removal. I also found it on a hazard list. I even contacted someone at ZiwiPeak and after he looked into it himself, he was baffled as to why it was being used. I just wanted to make other ZiwiPeak consumers aware of this since we think we are paying extra to have the best food for our pets, however, one single ingredient can negate this. see less 
... November 9, 2015

http://www.amazon.com/ZiwiPeak-24-Piece-Venison-Recipe-3-Ounce/dp/B00C7WW4P8/ref=pd_bxgy_199_img_3/178-3395734-6999142?ie=UTF8&refRID=0AJM7M36GVQFD4ATQZE6

What a tangled web this industry weaves, sigh.

I am switching from natures variety canned venison. I just started her on Ziwipeak last night. Are there any other safe venison foods? She has IBD and has done wonderful with venison. She's been wetting the bed in her sleep lately. I want her off natures variety because I heard it is not good for cats with urinary issues.

 

[missmimz]

I am switching from natures variety canned venison. I just started her on Ziwipeak last night. Are there any other safe venison foods? She has IBD and has done wonderful with venison. She's been wetting the bed in her sleep lately. I want her off natures variety because I heard it is not good for cats with urinary issues.

Have you tried Rad Cat venison? It's raw, but it's excellent quality and if your cat loves venison she'll probably go nuts for the RC. You could also look into making your own. I buy boneless venison from hare today and mix it with EZcomplete. I also buy their beef/venison/bone mixture and my cats go nuts for it. 

Cats don't 'wet the bed' so I'm not sure what you mean? She's having incontinence issues or inappropriate urination? Either way she should see a vet to rule out a UTI or some other urinary issue. 

 

[lisamarie12]

I am switching from natures variety canned venison. I just started her on Ziwipeak last night. Are there any other safe venison foods? She has IBD and has done wonderful with venison. She's been wetting the bed in her sleep lately. I want her off natures variety because I heard it is not good for cats with urinary issues.

You may also want to consider Addiction's Venison Hunter Stew. It's a single protein, low carb canned food, although it does contain guar gum which some IBD cats can't tolerate well.

I agree with missmimz re: consulting a vet if your cat is incontinent or having any other urinary issues.

Good luck.

 

[sam9549]

I've been hesitant with the raw. I'm thinking of mixing it in slowly.

You may also want to consider Addiction's Venison Hunter Stew. It's a single protein, low carb canned food, although it does contain guar gum which some IBD cats can't tolerate well.

I agree with missmimz re: consulting a vet if your cat is incontinent or having any other urinary issues.

Good luck.

I'm working on it, trust me. No one can figure out why she is doing this. I will take a look at this food - thanks.

 

[sam9549]

I've been hesitant with the raw. I'm thinking of mixing it in slowly.

 
Have you tried Rad Cat venison? It's raw, but it's excellent quality and if your cat loves venison she'll probably go nuts for the RC. You could also look into making your own. I buy boneless venison from hare today and mix it with EZcomplete. I also buy their beef/venison/bone mixture and my cats go nuts for it. 

Cats don't 'wet the bed' so I'm not sure what you mean? She's having incontinence issues or inappropriate urination? Either way she should see a vet to rule out a UTI or some other urinary issue. 

I've not yet. I think that will be our next step. I don't understand enough about it at the moment to feel confident enough in the switch.  I don't like the fact i can't leave it out either.I like to leave out their wet wood while i'm away at work.  I may slowly mix it in after i get her transitioned onto the Ziwipeak.

 

[hawaii500]

How do people feel about the bone content in ziwipeak?  Their website mentions the rabbit and lamb "May contain small pieces of bone (up to 0.19 inch or 5mm)".    I found a piece that was much larger i.e at least 12mm and sharp.   I sent them a message and they told me it can occur by error in the mincing process when the different mincers blades are changed and not cleaned properly.  Though claim the procedure has been updated.  Well, that's not very comforting.   

I really don't know how the food is processed, and particularly what happens to the bone.  The pieces I have found seem very hard.    I have also  very small pieces of bone in the venison, though there is no mention of this on their website.

 

[missmimz]

 
How do people feel about the bone content in ziwipeak?  Their website mentions the rabbit and lamb "May contain small pieces of bone (up to 0.19 inch or 5mm)".    I found a piece that was much larger i.e at least 12mm and sharp.   I sent them a message and they told me it can occur by error in the mincing process when the different mincers blades are changed and not cleaned properly.  Though claim the procedure has been updated.  Well, that's not very comforting.   

I really don't know how the food is processed, and particularly what happens to the bone.  The pieces I have found seem very hard.    I have also  very small pieces of bone in the venison, though there is no mention of this on their website.

I haven't really noticed any hard bone pieces. My cats eat the venison and rabbit & lamb. I feed raw mostly tho, so even if there were bigger bone pieces my cats wouldn't have issues with it. 

 

[hawaii500]

The rabbit and lamb seem to have larger pieces, but every venison I've checked so far has some small pieces, usually a bit smaller than these:  http://www.ziwipeak.com/bone-in-rabbit-and-lamb-can-cuisine/

The sharpness of the ones in the rabbit and lamb was what made me think twice about feeding it again.

 
I haven't really noticed any hard bone pieces. My cats eat the venison and rabbit & lamb. I feed raw mostly tho, so even if there were bigger bone pieces my cats wouldn't have issues with it. 

Do they have bone with raw?  Or do you feed bone separately?  I was thinking it could be an issue based on it's sort of unexpected if they're  eating a mince type food, rather than chewing on a chicken neck or something.

The bone in ziwipeak is raw I presume, but I still don't really understand, as I assume the food is processed in some way?  So I wonder if the bone is too.  Really, I have no idea.  

 

[missmimz]

 
The rabbit and lamb seem to have larger pieces, but every venison I've checked so far has some small pieces, usually a bit smaller than these:  http://www.ziwipeak.com/bone-in-rabbit-and-lamb-can-cuisine/

The sharpness of the ones in the rabbit and lamb was what made me think twice about feeding it again.

Do they have bone with raw?  Or do you feed bone separately?  I was thinking it could be an issue based on it's sort of unexpected if they're  eating a mince type food, rather than chewing on a chicken neck or something.

The bone in ziwipeak is raw I presume, but I still don't really understand, as I assume the food is processed in some way?  So I wonder if the bone is too.  Really, I have no idea.  

I feed grinds with meat/bone/organ as well as some boneless grinds too. I don't know how ZP processes it, i assume they run meat/bone through a grinder.