Tips for socialising feral cats in a shelter environment?/ongoing news and issues

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Sorry in advance for the long post.

Two weeks ago I helped trap 3 young semi-feral cats, about 5-6 months old. They were living in an alleyway next to a flat complex and being fed by kind people, so they've had positive interactions with humans, but they'd never allowed the people to come near them and would just run off.

Unfortunately, I couldn't bring them to my home (for various reasons), so they're now at the shelter where I volunteer. They've got their own little room where I visit them every day for an hour or two. It's not ideal, I know, and it doesn't help that it's always noisy with dogs barking and people working and shouting.

They come out of hiding to play and chat with the neighbouring cats across the hall through the gate, but if anyone goes in, they hide in their igloos. With a bit of bribery (wet food), I've gotten them to allow me to give head rubs. I can see they're not as terrified as they were at first, and they mostly tolerate the touch, even if they obviously don't enjoy it. They also will absolutely not come out of their safe spaces. I give them the wet food on a spoon and try to very slowly draw them out, but any further than the doorway of the igloo and they just back off and huddle at the back again.

One of them, Tabby (girl), isn't motivated by the food at all. When I reach out to touch her she cringes and turns her face away, like she's in freeze mode. I can stroke her, but I feel like I'm just stressing her out and I'm not making progress.

GG (Good Girl) is the most food motivated and the most tolerant of my touch. Today she even closed her eyes and looked like she was falling asleep while I was petting her. Her pupils are still huge every time my hand moves, and the one time she got "caught" out of her hidey hole, she just trembled and refused to touch the food, no matter how long I waited or how still I lay.

Last one, Boyo, tends to hide behind his sisters in the igloos. He was a little growly and hissy at first, and he still flinches away when I first try touch him while he's eating, but then he accepts the touch. He even fell asleep behind GG while I was petting them yesterday.

I've never worked with feral cats before, so I don't really know what I'm doing. I've read articles and watched videos, but everything is either geared for bringing a feral into your house, or keeping them in a cage in your home where they can see you all the time. I feel like I'm stuck in a limbo of "okay, so they let me touch them, now what?"

1. Do you think I'm making progress? What signs should I look for to know if I'm succeeding?
2. Should I continue what I'm doing? Do they just need time? Should I do more? Something different?

If you've read my whole post, thank you for making it so far XD Any advice or encouragement is greatly appreciated.
 

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I'm sorry, I can't answer your questions; I've no experience with young ferals. I do have an old feral cat that I had to move inside about 6 months ago. I'd been feeding him for a couple of years and the house he lived under was to be sprayed for termites. He still won't let me touch him, but he's not as afraid of me as he was at first.

I'm not trying to discourage you. From what I've read, young ones are easier to tame than adult ferals, although yours are clearly past the ideal age for socializing.

But I do have a couple of questions for you! :) What is your goal with these cats? Is there a reason you haven't simply neutered and returned them to their alleyway home? Especially considering there were people feeding them. I'm really surprised that a shelter has the resources -- food, time, and a room of their own! -- to dedicate to young cats like these. It's wonderful that they do, and great that you're willing to take on a project like this.
 
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What is your goal with these cats? Is there a reason you haven't simply neutered and returned them to their alleyway home?
The hope is to get them adoptable. If that's not possible, they'll be released elsewhere. Unfortunately where they were wasn't safe for them.

I'm really surprised that a shelter has the resources -- food, time, and a room of their own! -- to dedicate to young cats like these.
It's the calm before the storm that is kitten season right now, so there's space for them at the moment. But in a month or two that may not be the case anymore. One of the guys who was feeding them made a donation towards their care, which helps a lot. As for time, that's on me, and I'm happy to give it.

Honestly, we seldom get feral cats, so this is kind of a special case. I think if it happened again, they would probably be PTS.

I'm just hoping that the fact the cats are still young, plus that they're only semi-feral, will make it possible for me to socialise them before their time runs out.
 

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You must be in the southern hemisphere. We're knee deep in kittens here in the US.

I wish you luck! Hopefully some feral experts will chime in with helpful suggestions.
 

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You're making huge progress. Keep doing what you're doing. You could even try sitting with them and reading to them, -- your calm voice can help them. Sometimes looking directly at a fearful cat can make it feel that there is aggression, so when you are sitting with them just focus on the book or computer and eventually one, then two of them will come out to investigate. Let them do whatever they feel like doing at that point, and continue to focus on what you are reading instead of on them, at least initially until they start to become braver.

You should see a continued lessening of the tension they have. Tabby is going to be a challenge but as she sees her siblings becoming more comfortable with you, hopefully she does also.

Let us know how things progress, we're cheering for you and for them
 
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I agree with Furballsmom Furballsmom (as usual :)). You are making progress - - - it may not feel like much, but progress with ferals - especially past a few months, is usually slower. And you're in a rough spot of only having an hour or two a day with them, plus having them in a shelter with all that noise (I help at a cat shelter too - - -and know that trying to socialize while in a shelter is TOUGH! but kudos to you for taking this on!). I know shelters everywhere are jammed - - but have you asked them to reach out to any fosters with feral socialization experience? Many of us do -- - and maybe they just haven't offered that or thought of it. You can also reach out to an organization called "Alley Cat Allies" (alleycat.org) - they have an organization called the Feral Friends Network, where you may be able to find help, suggestions and comfort (which you can find here too obviously!!!!!).

I've got some tips I can send in the next day or so - I've done it for years and it CAN be done (most of the time) - but every little tip along the way (many from people here!) helped me enormously in my early years of feral socialization. Many will tell you they're too old - but that's not a definite! Our sweet Flick (pictured) was a 2 year old totally feral girl when we brought her in (we'd done alot of work with her for a few months outside). She's now a true lap cat (my only one if 30 years+ of kitties!) - - -and the love of our lives. She's definitely a "best case" - - but many of the older feral kittens we socialized and adopted out are very happy with very happy pet parents. Some of the kitties area more "social" then others - but their parents love them the way we are! (kinda like with spouses :lol:).

Before you know it you'll have all kinds of suggestions!

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Is there a well socialized cat at the shelter who you could trust to interact with them? That would help. We have socialized kittens about 4 months at our shelter which actually is in Petsmart so we have lots of noise etc. not the best place but sometimes it is all you have. It is better to have them fostered in a home.
As far as adoption goes, they probably will not all be at the same stage at the same time. Also you will need experienced cat people to adopt them.
If you don't have the time frame (probably months not weeks) I caution you about continiung on this path without a plan. A cat that has lost fear of humans in my opinion can not be put back outside safely. (after years of rescue, I"m sorry to admit I've seen/heard of some cruel things done to cats)
I don't know where you are located but her in MA /NH a better alternative would be a barn home. This does require some planning, but as long as the kittens have lost their fear of humans it might be an answer. Barn cats are not expected to be cuddly lap cats.
 

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Sorry in advance for the long post.

Two weeks ago I helped trap 3 young semi-feral cats, about 5-6 months old. They were living in an alleyway next to a flat complex and being fed by kind people, so they've had positive interactions with humans, but they'd never allowed the people to come near them and would just run off.

Unfortunately, I couldn't bring them to my home (for various reasons), so they're now at the shelter where I volunteer. They've got their own little room where I visit them every day for an hour or two. It's not ideal, I know, and it doesn't help that it's always noisy with dogs barking and people working and shouting.

They come out of hiding to play and chat with the neighbouring cats across the hall through the gate, but if anyone goes in, they hide in their igloos. With a bit of bribery (wet food), I've gotten them to allow me to give head rubs. I can see they're not as terrified as they were at first, and they mostly tolerate the touch, even if they obviously don't enjoy it. They also will absolutely not come out of their safe spaces. I give them the wet food on a spoon and try to very slowly draw them out, but any further than the doorway of the igloo and they just back off and huddle at the back again.

One of them, Tabby (girl), isn't motivated by the food at all. When I reach out to touch her she cringes and turns her face away, like she's in freeze mode. I can stroke her, but I feel like I'm just stressing her out and I'm not making progress.

GG (Good Girl) is the most food motivated and the most tolerant of my touch. Today she even closed her eyes and looked like she was falling asleep while I was petting her. Her pupils are still huge every time my hand moves, and the one time she got "caught" out of her hidey hole, she just trembled and refused to touch the food, no matter how long I waited or how still I lay.

Last one, Boyo, tends to hide behind his sisters in the igloos. He was a little growly and hissy at first, and he still flinches away when I first try touch him while he's eating, but then he accepts the touch. He even fell asleep behind GG while I was petting them yesterday.

I've never worked with feral cats before, so I don't really know what I'm doing. I've read articles and watched videos, but everything is either geared for bringing a feral into your house, or keeping them in a cage in your home where they can see you all the time. I feel like I'm stuck in a limbo of "okay, so they let me touch them, now what?"

1. Do you think I'm making progress? What signs should I look for to know if I'm succeeding?
2. Should I continue what I'm doing? Do they just need time? Should I do more? Something different?

If you've read my whole post, thank you for making it so far XD Any advice or encouragement is greatly appreciated.
 
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Good news! After doing some emergency renovation, my flat should be feral-proof by this afternoon, which means my semi-feral kids can move in with me!

I'm home during the day, and their new room has a bed in it, so they're going to have me as their new full-time roomie.

Hopefully the transition won't stress them out too much. I've already got them to use a large carrier as their new hidey-hole at the shelter, so I should be able to just close the door on them, throw a blanket over, and carry them out.

I really hope socialising them won't take all summer. I'm the main kitten foster for the shelter and kitten season will be starting any day now. I know I need to be patient and that it takes as long as it takes, but I'm really stressed about this (though I make sure to keep it out of our interactions).

Also, more good news! Tabby is now eating off the spoon! Boyo still flinches away at first when I try touch him, but after a bit of warming up, he actually tilted his head up so I could get to the good spot under his jaw. He's trying to act cool, but I know there's a loving marshmallow in there.

a better alternative would be a barn home
We did try, but there's just nothing available unfortunately 😔
 

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Hey gur! Great interaction! I've have 2 feral butters in my home since 2013 Not going to say it has been easy as I am disabled & live alone although I have managed quite nicely. I had an old Victorian chair that was their Target before I set the house to be cat proof, It now sits in my basement shredded to ribbons I'm keeping it for the wood that hasn't been compromised. I love my 2 ferals Zippy and Puppy So I will say you have your tasks ahead of you...Good Luck. I will say homing them in a home environment is much less risky than "they'remine" suggested. Less violent. less agressive! Check out Franklin and the Butters on FaceBook, All of his ferals are Barn Cats.. that have had a real had time in the barn cat existence that's why he rescues them to his house that has a Feral barn cat domain ;)
I bid you adieu
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I did not mean to imply that adopting them out was risky. I have 4 former ferals myself and they were trapped at 7 months. They are now 8-10 years old and very bonded to me. But as an adoption counselor I must say that not everyone is suited to adopting a former feral. Kittens trapped under 4 months come around quickly and don't present an issue but older kittens may continue to have socialization issues which many people can't deal with so you need to screen potential adopters carefully.
What I did say was risky was to put them back outside.
Barn cats can't just be "put" in a barm. It takes a lot of planning and work which the rescue needs to oversee.
 

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Really great news! Now you can give them the time and attention they need. Wonderful progress with Tabby and Boyo. How's GG coming along?
 
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Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I did not mean to imply that adopting them out was risky. I have 4 former ferals myself and they were trapped at 7 months. They are now 8-10 years old and very bonded to me. But as an adoption counselor I must say that not everyone is suited to adopting a former feral. Kittens trapped under 4 months come around quickly and don't present an issue but older kittens may continue to have socialization issues which many people can't deal with so you need to screen potential adopters carefully.
What I did say was risky was to put them back outside.
Barn cats can't just be "put" in a barm. It takes a lot of planning and work which the rescue needs to oversee.
I understand what you're saying. But I live in a small town that doesn't have a lot of options available for cats. If the cats weren't socialised at all, then likely their only option would be death. Especially with kitten season about to start.

Obviously if they were released/given a farm home it would be done properly. We wouldn't just set them down and say, "Be free!" 😅 But there's nobody willing to have them on their property in that capacity so it's a moot point.

So all I can do is attempt socialising them. Potential adopters will be informed of their background and we always try to make sure that a cat goes to the right home for that individual.

Could you please tell me more about the socialisation issues you see in former ferals?
 
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Really great news! Now you can give them the time and attention they need. Wonderful progress with Tabby and Boyo. How's GG coming along?
GG is about the same. Willing to eat, let me stroke her, but still won't come out.

The move had to be delayed a day, so I'm about to set them up in my flat now. Wish me luck!
 

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My explanation was not meant for you, but for the other person who commented on my post. I felt he misintrepreted what I had written. I believe you are doing a great job.
I don't know how much experience you have so please don't be offended if you are already doing these things.
First, if you haven't already done so, drop the mattress to the floor in the room you are setting up for the kittens. Once they get under a bed it's very hard to work with them. Give them plenty of hidey places (an open carrier, a box, or a "cave" bed. You want something a kitten can feel safe in and something you can easy reach into for socialization work. Try to get down to their level. Don't stare at them.

Since GG is food motivated use that to your advantage. I like to feed Gerber meat baby food stage 2 on a white plastic spoon. Kittens can't resist it and learn to react to the spoon. After a few sessions she should start to come toward you when she sees the spoon (not a lot probably a couple of inches) Once GG is comfortable and eating with that routine, switch to putting the baby food on a couple of extended fingers. After a few times, slowly use your other fingers to touch her chin/face.

I will address the issues I see in former ferals socialized after early kittenhood the next time I post.
Keep up the good work!
 
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Update: It's Day 3 of the kittens being in my home. The first day I left them alone to settle in. Day 2 I sat with them a lot, just watching TV with the volume low, playing on my phone etc so they could get used to my presence.

I fed them as usual and they'd all regressed a little bit - Tabby refused the food again, Boyo didn't want to be touched, even GG was more nervous - but it wasn't too bad so I'm not worried.

Last night I slept in the room with them. I was glad to see they actually came out of hiding, since they always go to their hidey hole as soon as they see me.

But sometime in the early hours of the morning they started getting frantic, scratching at the door, jumping up against the window, meowing. It was heartbreaking.

Eventually I put on some calming cat music and they retreated to their safe space. Not sure if the music helped, or if me being obviously awake made them hide again.

First, if you haven't already done so, drop the mattress to the floor in the room you are setting up for the kittens.
They're in the room I use to foster kittens, so I've boarded up the sides of the bed frame so the little ones don't poo under there.

Once GG is comfortable and eating with that routine, switch to putting the baby food on a couple of extended fingers. After a few times, slowly use your other fingers to touch her chin/face.
This is what I've been doing. I lie on the floor so I need one arm to prop myself up a bit, so I have to use the same hand I feed them with. After GG licked my fingers clean I was petting Boyo next to her and she was grooming the scent of cat food off him as I touched him 😅
 

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I believe the biggest issue is one of trust. In my experience, a feral cat learns to trust the person who socializes them. This trust does not automatically transfer to other people. My advice? Once you are a little further along in their socialization, have another person start to work with them too.. Once the kittens are comfortable with that person, bring in a third person. Each time the kittens should accept the new person quicker.
So when adoption time comes, you need to find someone who won't expect the kittens to jump right in their laps. Being in a new environment and with a new person will set them back, but with proper prep they should recover rather quickly. Best senario: the adopters meet and work with kittens several times before they bring them home. I also suggest they give you a well worn piece of clothing for the kittens to have before they go to their new home. This way they get to "know" on their on turf.
Hope this helps.
Keep up the good work.
 
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I have good news and bad news.

The good news is that I'm seeing progress with the kittens every day. They're starting to venture out of their hidey hole when I'm in the room (still will only let me touch them when I'm feeding them in there tho). Boyo even just played with a wand toy with me!

The bad news is their mother was surrendered over the weekend and PTS. She was socialised and taken in by the guy who'd been feeding them all. I even organised for her to get spayed. But she wasn't getting on with his other cats and was chasing them out of their home so he had to make the hard decision. The shelter decided they couldn't keep a cat that didn't get on with others, so they euthanised her.

I'm devastated. Even though she was already being taken care of when I got involved in trapping the kittens, and all I did was organise the spay, I feel responsible for her. I wish I could have saved her 😔
 

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I celebrate your progress! The kittens seem to be progressing well. Once GG and Tabby see all the fun Boyo is having playing with the wand, they are sure to join in.

I too am saddened by their mom's PTS. You did your best.
Where are you located? Here most shelters/rescues are no kill. Mom most certainly would have been adopted out as an only cat here,
 
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I live in a 3rd world country. So many people don't have the means, education or care to sterilise their pets, so there are always more being born than there are good homes.

It's really common here to euthanise healthy animals just because the shelters don't have space or funding for them. I've come to dread kitten season.

It's never easy, but some cases just hit extra hard.
 
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