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http://www.catnutrition.org/recipes.htmlGrrr...I can't find it on her page! How much per 3 lbs?
2 Tbsp per 3 lbs.
http://www.catnutrition.org/recipes.htmlGrrr...I can't find it on her page! How much per 3 lbs?
I think you'll find that as you get the logistics worked out that it won't take so long. I usually prepare about 60 lbs at a time and I've timed it a couple of times at about a total of 4 hours including clean up over the course of 2 days. The portioning is what takes the longest for me. I want the portion sizes to be fairly accurate so I don't over feed so I'm careful about measuring.It took four hours to prep, grind, mix, portion, and clean up. Longer than I expected, but I was working by myself.
Ah! You said earlier that you are using Dr. Pierson's recipe but that isn't her web site. Her's is catinfo.org. The one above has a recipe very similar to her's but not exactly the same.http://www.catnutrition.org/recipes.htmlGrrr...I can't find it on her page! How much per 3 lbs?
2 Tbsp per 3 lbs.
Hmm. Based on the note at the top of the page, I thought this was her's as well, just a cleaned up version, as the catinfo page is a mess. (I have a thing about organization.)
I think you'll find that as you get the logistics worked out that it won't take so long. I usually prepare about 60 lbs at a time and I've timed it a couple of times at about a total of 4 hours including clean up over the course of 2 days. The portioning is what takes the longest for me. I want the portion sizes to be fairly accurate so I don't over feed so I'm careful about measuring.
Ah! You said earlier that you are using Dr. Pierson's recipe but that isn't her web site. Her's is catinfo.org. The one above has a recipe very similar to her's but not exactly the same.
NOTE: These recipes are not recommend for cats with CKD (chronic kidney disease) - formerly known as CRF. As Dr. Lisa Pierson points out, there are other recipes more suited to feeding cats with this condition. Dr. Pierson is available for private, paid, consultations to go over the nutritional needs of your CKD cat if you contact her. Note, that her consultations are conducted only after the patient's records, including lab work, have been provided for her review.
Nope, completely different web sites run by different people. In fact, Dr P first got turned on to raw feeding by the web master at catnutrition.org.Hmm. Based on the note at the top of the page, I thought this was her's as well, just a cleaned up version, as the catinfo page is a mess. (I have a thing about organization.)
Yeah, I've often wanted to ask the two of them how they came up with their recipes. Like I said in my earlier post there will be differences in what raw feeders feed based on justifications each come up with since there is no single authoritative voice on how to prepare a home-made diet for a cat. Fortunately the recipes at both catinfo.org and catnutrition.org have been time tested and found to result in happy healthy kitties.
Ok... interesting. So the recipes look very close but she appears to use much less vitamins. And less water. I wish I'd halved the water from the recipe I used.
I omitted the glandular. Here's what I think happened. I started with and based my purchases off of Dr. Pierson's recipe. Then, at some point, I ended up on the more concise page with Anne's recipe and thought with the reference to Dr. Pierson at the top that it was the same recipe, just without all the background and extra information. So when it came to time to make it, I didn't realize I was doing a different recipe than I intended; I thought I was just using a page that pleases my mild OCD. All the ingredients are the same except for the gelatin, but that does explain why I didn't have it. At the time I was a bit confused, because I had gone through the ingredients list like three times to ensure I was buying all the right stuff. But it makes sense now.Dr. Pierson actually says her recipe is based off Anne Jablonsky's, she's just lazier and doesn't see the need for some of the ingredients - specifically, the glandular (though I don't remember the discussion about it).
Anne's recipe calls for twice as much water as Dr. P, if I recall correctly. I don't like the texture it's created, and Oliver doesn't seem to like it either. Though he's adjusting. He drinks from his water dispenser regularly, so I don't know how necessary it is for him to have all the extra water in his food.I kept reading through www.catinfo.com and thinking, "well have I lost my mind?" LOL!
I do a little of both Dr. Pierson's and Anne's recipes. I use more egg yolks like Anne, etc. The recipes are very similar otherwise. after much thought since organs cannot be sourced here, I added the glandular supplement. Dr. P doesn't use it since the mad cow scare and I'm sure partly out of laziness. My cats are very good eaters but after adding the glandular supplement they started inhaling their food. And more water, oddly enough. I use at least 2 times the water Dr. P calls for. And they still drink water. I hate to think of how dehydrated they must have been before all this.
I will look for that next time. Someone in my local raw yahoo group suggested I offer him whole chicken necks. It's apparently a good first step in transitioning to PMR. So I'll have to look for that as well.
The only way l use gizzards is to cut them in half and leave them in as chunks. l only buy hearts now as packaged hearts, because you're right, the mixed packs are quite skimpy on hearts.
Just being clear - you're not grinding bone and adding eggshell, correct?I do worry, though, that the egg shells and what bone marrow I was able to scrape aren't going to be good enough, because I didn't get bone meal. So expensive! I'm really hoping I can get him to eat bones fairly soon.
Eggshell would be cheaper though.However, many people are either unwilling or unable to purchase a grinder so I am finally 'giving in' and will state that if you are going to use 3 pounds of boneless meat and skin, then the amount of bone meal (NOW brand linked below) to use is 2 1/3 tablespoons. That is 2 tablespoons + 1 teaspoon....or....7 level teaspoons. (1 tablespoon = 3 teaspoons)
I alternate between MCHA and eggshell, because I can't afford to feed 8 cats MCHA all the time. But mine are mostly older, and at this point, I like that the eggshell lowers their phosphorus load (a lot!).No, no bone. Just egg shell. But I did crack open the thigh bones and scrape out some marrow before tossing the bones in the trash.
I just looked again. It's about $11 per lb but then they really nail you on the shipping. Wish I could find this locally. The recipe calls for 4 Tbsp for 3 lbs of meat. Assuming 32 Tbsp per pound, that's 8 batches of 3 lbs. I suppose that's not too bad. But I hadn't read about the issues you mentioned. Maybe I'll just stick with the egg shells for now.
How long have you been feeding raw with egg shells?