Performatrin Kitten: Is this a good food?

[snake_lady]

Ok, so I'm back from the store.

I picked up a bag of Taste of the Wild and Chicken Soup for the Cat: kitten .

Ironically, the 2 foods better than the Performatrin are actually cheaper.

Performatrin kitten: 7.22/kg
TOTW: 6.25/kg
CHSP: 6.60/kg

and the price gets cheaper with the larger bags...I only bought the small bags till we see which one Kizzy does well on.

 

[zoeysmom]

Where did you get Chicken Soup in SW Ontario? I haven't seen the dry food anywhere (granted, I have not looked particularly hard).

 

[snake_lady]

Originally Posted by zoeysmom

Where did you get Chicken Soup in SW Ontario? I haven't seen the dry food anywhere (granted, I have not looked particularly hard).

My PetValu had it

 

[snake_lady]

Sharky, if you wouldn't mind? (I searched and couldn't find one of your posts on TOTW or Chicken soup). I'm going to try to analysis the ingreds myself, but I'd appreciate hearing from you, and seeing if I'm learning something

TOTW:

Ingredients
Chicken meal, peas, sweet potatoes, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), potato protein, roasted venison, smoked salmon, natural flavor, ocean fish meal, methionine, taurine, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, zinc sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A supplement, biotin, potassium iodide, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin (vitamin B2), pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Crude Protein 42.0% Minimum
Crude Fat 18.0% Minimum
Crude Fiber 3.0% Maximum
Moisture 10.0% Maximum
Zinc 120 mg/kg Minimum
Selenium 0.4 mg/kg Minimum
Vitamin E 150 IU/kg Minimum
Taurine 0.15% Minimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids * 2.8% Minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids * 0.3% Minimum


Nothing in this one is jumping out at me. Maybe the fish...I believe I've read some posts about food with fish products in them, but I cannot remember if it was allergy oriented or something else. I know you wrote about "hot" meets, and venison is one...but you mentioned fish as "cool" meats, so I wonder if they balance out in this food.


Chicken Soup:

Ingredients
Chicken, chicken meal, cracked pearled barley, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), ocean fish meal, white rice, potatoes, oatmeal, millet, powdered cellulose, natural chicken flavor, salmon, turkey, duck, flaxseed, salmon oil (source of DHA), egg product, methionine, potassium chloride, choline chloride, taurine, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, zinc proteinate, vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, zinc sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, biotin, potassium iodide, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Crude Protein 34.0% Minimum
Crude Fat 22.0% Minimum
Crude Fiber 4.0% Maximum
Moisture 10.0% Maximum
Zinc 150 mg/kg Minimum
Selenium 0.4 mg/kg Minimum
Vitamin E 300 IU/kg Minimum
Taurine 0.15% Minimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids * 3.4% Minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids * 0.6% Minimum
DHA (Docosahexaenoic acid) * 0.05% Minimum

In this one: I see cracked pearled barley, white rice, potatoes, oatmeal, millet, powdered cellulose fairly high on the list.... and it seems like a fair amount of grain in the food itself. The dried skim milk could also be a possible allergen.

So out of all of the foods I listed, based on what has been said, I would order them:

1. TOTW
2. Performatrin Ultra
3. Chicken Soup
4. Nutram Kitten
5. Performatrin Kitten
6. Nutrience

Ironically, TOTW is the cheapest per kg compared to Chicken Soup, PU, and PK.

Right now Kizzy is on a mix, 25% Whiskas (what his previous owner fed him) 50% Performatrin Kitten, and 25% Taste of the wild. Once the mixture of Whiskas and PK is gone, I plan on keeping TOTW as a staple, and CS.

I have yet to try the CS, but so far nothing has bothered Kizzy's tummy, and he eats them all fine. (His fav. is the Wiskas, but it is mostly junk... its like a treat).

His coat has gotten so much brighter, and healthier looking since I got him.

Thanks again Sharky for all of your expertise. It is appreciated very much.

 

[sharky]

Originally Posted by Snake_Lady

Sharky, if you wouldn't mind? (I searched and couldn't find one of your posts on TOTW or Chicken soup). I'm going to try to analysis the ingreds myself, but I'd appreciate hearing from you, and seeing if I'm learning something

TOTW:

Ingredients
Chicken meal, peas, allergen,sweet potatoes, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), potato proteinno one really knows how this is made , roasted venison, smoked salmon, natural flavor, ocean fish mealwho exactly, methionine, taurine, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevesiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, zinc sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A supplement, biotin, potassium iodide, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin (vitamin B2), pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Crude Protein 42.0% Minimum
Crude Fat 18.0% Minimum high protein moderate fat ( fat could be a bit higher
Crude Fiber 3.0% Maximum
Moisture 10.0% Maximum
Zinc 120 mg/kg Minimum
Selenium 0.4 mg/kg Minimum
Vitamin E 150 IU/kg Minimum
Taurine 0.15% Minimum low end of normal
Omega-6 Fatty Acids * 2.8% Minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids * 0.3% Minimum
four meats with two starches ... 2 meat to one starch

.. 1 to 1 is good this is

Nothing in this one is jumping out at me. Maybe the fish...I believe I've read some posts about food with fish products in them, but I cannot remember if it was allergy oriented or something else. I know you wrote about "hot" meets, and venison is one...but you mentioned fish as "cool" meats, so I wonder if they balance out in this food.

My inflammation issue cats have no trouble with this formula ... I did ask a general quick opinion of their acupuncturist and she said it does balance to a warm to cooling .... it goes HOT - Very warm / warming- warm to neutral- cooling to cool ... I attempt to aim for neutral


Chicken Soup:

Ingredients
Chicken, chicken meal, cracked pearled barley,light pink this is a low quality grain.. chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), ocean fish meal, white rice, potatoes, oatmeal, millet, powdered cellulose, natural chicken flavor, salmon, turkey, duck, flaxseed, salmon oil (source of DHA), egg product, methionine, potassium chloride, choline chloride, taurine, dried chicory root, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, tomatoes, blueberries, spinach, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extractcan cause tummy issues , parsley flake, yucca schidigera extract, L-carnitine, Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Saccharomyces cerevisiae fermentation solubles, dried Aspergillus oryzae fermentation extract, zinc proteinate, vitamin E supplement, niacin, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, zinc sulfate, manganese sulfate, copper sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, vitamin A supplement, biotin, potassium iodide, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, vitamin D supplement, folic acid

Crude Protein 34.0% Minimum
Crude Fat 22.0% Minimum solid upper end of ave
Crude Fiber 4.0% Maximum
Moisture 10.0% Maximum
Zinc 150 mg/kg Minimum
Selenium 0.4 mg/kg Minimum
Vitamin E 300 IU/kg Minimum
Taurine 0.15% Minimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids * 3.4% Minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids * 0.6% Minimum
DHA (Docosahexaenoic acid) * 0.05% Minimum

In this one: I see cracked pearled barley, white rice, potatoes, oatmeal, millet, powdered cellulose fairly high on the list.... and it seems like a fair amount of grain in the food itself. The dried skim milk could also be a possible allergen.


Five meats and 4 grains and two starches ... not bad but under a 1 to 1 ratio
So out of all of the foods I listed, based on what has been said, I would order them:

1. TOTW
2. Performatrin Ultra
3. Chicken Soup
4. Nutram Kitten
5. Performatrin Kitten
6. Nutrience

Ironically, TOTW is the cheapest per kg compared to Chicken Soup, PU, and PK.

Right now Kizzy is on a mix, 25% Whiskas (what his previous owner fed him) 50% Performatrin Kitten, and 25% Taste of the wild. Once the mixture of Whiskas and PK is gone, I plan on keeping TOTW as a staple, and CS.

I have yet to try the CS, but so far nothing has bothered Kizzy's tummy, and he eats them all fine. (His fav. is the Wiskas, but it is mostly junk... its like a treat).

His coat has gotten so much brighter, and healthier looking since I got him.

Thanks again Sharky for all of your expertise. It is appreciated very much.

Fish is a okay in moderate amount s for MOST cats ... UTI cats should avoid it ...lol.. at the cheapest it is funny

sometime s the better foods cost less than the more?? able

 

[snake_lady]

Thank you so much

Last question: (in this thread anyways)

Would you agree with the way I ordered them? 1 being best quality, then lower.

I really think I learned alot through this post, way more than I expected to know about cat food that's for sure. I know I still have much to learn, the why's or reasonings behind certain things (ex. why the higher protein is not good for cats with UTI's, etc) and what the recommended nutritional levels are.

Sorry Sharky, one more ? What are the recommended nutritional levels of
Crude Protein 42.0%
Crude Fat 18.0%
Crude Fiber 3.0%
Moisture 10.0%
Taurine

Thank you again.

 

[sharky]

Protein this is debatable ...
I like the 40's , less carbs but not so likely to rely on starches for a bigger % age... Taste is a bit high in peas which is a starch and a protein ... for a grain free

with grain mid 30's

Fat
I prefer low 20's but am fine with high teens

Fiber
MOST cat foods in a dry form are 3-5% which seems to work

Taurine

I like .18 or .20

Moisture in almost all drys is 8-12 % .. any lower and food crumbles, any higher and bacteria and the like would love it

 

[missie64]

I did a lot of research when I got my shelter kitties because there were eating absolute crap (I know they feed them whatever the rescue can afford, but I only have to fee two so I picked the performatrim ultra grain free (checked with vet if cats need grains and was told no)..  

The Ingredients are:  turkey, chicken meal, potato, duck meal, peas, dried egg products salmon meal, potato protein, chicken fat (stabilized with mixed tocopherals,and citric acid) natural flavor, dried (tomotoes, celery, beet, parsley, lettuce, watercress, and spinach)pomace, yeast culture, whole sweet pototoes, pumpkin, whole cranberries, cranberry extract, whole bluieberrys.lecithin, salt, choline clhoride, chicory rootextract, dried kelp, alfafanutrient concentrate, taurine, spinach, whole blackberries,dried yeast potassium chloride,yucca schdigeraextrac, rosemary extract, marigold extract, green tea extract, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphostrate (source of vitamin C)   the list goes on and on with big words I don't understand, but my main concern was having meat products to begin with and no corn this has no corn whatso every

Crude Protein:  40% min.

crude fat            18  min

crude fiber          3.0 min

moisture            10%  max (this one I worry about so supplement with wet food everyday)

taurine                .2% max

magnisium         .10% max

vitamin E            150IU/kg  min

vitamin c             30mg/kg min

L-Canitine           35ong.jg

then it has 3.2% omega-6 fatty acides

Omega 3 fatty acids .52%

It also has prebiotics and probiotis

 

[chromium blues]

Taste of the Wild and Chicken Soup are both made by Diamond, and if I were you I'd look into that before feeding it because they've had some major issues in their facilities in the past few years. Nutram is a much nicer food. Have you looked into Royal Canin and Nutro, who both boast high standards for quality control?

That being said, once the little one is on a good quality cat food, so long as its otherwise healthy and parasite-free, the weight gain will follow. Take a picture when you start, and another in three weeks - I bet you'll be surprised!