Obi keeps throwing up hairballs.. : (

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Sorry to hear Obi is still having hairball problems, but I am happy the vet does not think it's lymphoma or IBD.

From reading your posts over the past couple of months, it seems that Obi vomits whenever you increase his dose of the Vet's Best. Maybe there is an ingredient that does not agree with him. This is why I am using the active ingredients on their own and not purchasing the product itself- because I have concern over how Tim would react to some of the ingredients. Tim is one who used to hack up hairballs very frequently and we've not seen one from him since early May. But I am seeing a lot of hair pass in his stools. My girl Abby never had hairballs but has hacked up a few this spring. I tried the hairball blend on her, but she threw up each time. I've since discovered that she does not tolerate slippery elm, so she gets just psyllium and marshmallow root and that is working for her, as I am seeing hair in her stools.

So you might want to try just the active ingredients - pysllium, slippery elm bark, and marshmallow root. The amount in a single tablet is 50mg psyllium and 25mg each slippery elm and marshmallow root.* That's what I give Tim once per day and it seems to be working. I give Abby equal amounts of psyllium and marshmallow root a few times a week and I've not seen anything from her in almost three weeks. I have been using just the dry powders, then mixing with a lot of water when I serve. With Tim, however, I may experiment with slippery elm syrup along with the other two powders, as we are adjusting to life without cisapride.

One other thing that seems to have made a huge difference with Tim is the addition of probiotics. His hairball frequency really dropped after we started them in March, though it never went away. It was when we started including psyllium that I noticed the extreme reduction in hairballs.

*I had been making the equivalent of 20 doses at once using: 2 500mg capsules of psyllium, 1 455mg capsule of marshmallow root powder (plus extra by weight to get to 500mg), and 500mg by weight of slippery elm powder. I eyeball doses, keeping track of what I've used so I know how to divide the remaining.
 
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I am reporting in on Obi.  Obi had an appt. with his new vet a couple of weeks ago.  At present, he is on 5 mg of the chewable predisolone; and about 1/8 tsp metameucil once a day.  The vet increased his B12 to .5ml - doubled his dose.

Obi is doing great.   No hairballs in almost 2 weeks.  His mood is really good, he is not under the bed, he is his old self again.

I am surprised.  The vet also expressed  his anal glands...I need to ask her if that has any impact (no pun intended) on hairball vomiting.  If anyone here knows, please chime in.
 

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I don't know about others but my cat Peaches has to have her anal glands expressed every month. Sometimes she can only go 2 or 3 weeks between visits to have them expressed. When Peaches anal glands get really impacted she does throw up sometimes hairballs and sometimes bile. It happens every time. I will take her in to see the vet because she is throwing up so often and then we find out her anal glands are full. She also gets constipated at the same time. She has other health issues too but when she starts throwing up hairballs I take her in to see the vet right away.
 
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Amazing.  I just spoke with my vet also about the possible relationship between expressing Obi's anal glands, and his hairball vomiting - she feels, anecdotally, there may be a relationship.  So if he starts tossing hairballs again, I guess he will go in for an - um - anal exam.
 

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I am reporting in on Obi.  Obi had an appt. with his new vet a couple of weeks ago.  At present, he is on 5 mg of the chewable predisolone; and about 1/8 tsp metameucil once a day.  The vet increased his B12 to .5ml - doubled his dose.

Obi is doing great.   No hairballs in almost 2 weeks.  His mood is really good, he is not under the bed, he is his old self again.

I am surprised.  The vet also expressed  his anal glands...I need to ask her if that has any impact (no pun intended) on hairball vomiting.  If anyone here knows, please chime in.
Wonderful news!!!
 
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Yes, it is.  And keep in mind, one oncologist and two internal medicine specialists said he probably had lymphoma.
 
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Thanks, all.  I may have spoken a tad too soon; he did toss a small hairball this morning but it was very small, about the size of a quarter.  If he throws one tomorrow, I will suppose it is related to the B12 being absorbed in his system by the end of the week, as he gets his injections on Sunday AM.  Any thoughts?
 
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Today I took a good look at Obi's belly and I feel BAD,  he is or has overgroomed it rather badly.  What started out as a small bald patch over one nipple in late winter now looks like - well, it has spread out quite a bit.  I honestly cant tell how recent the overgrooming is, that is the problem; and his hairballs are much better.  There are no additional stressors in the house - we did get new furniture, maybe t hat is an issue for him - and I realize that he may have been licking when he was uncomfortable - but I dont know what to do now.  I know some cats are on a little prozac, but in people, prozac can cause GI probs, and that is the LAST thing I want right now.  What do I do????
 
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I need some advice about Obi.  He has been doing really well.  Eating well, not hiding, not losing weight - and still throws up about a hairball a week.  He is on .5 prednisolone and B12.  So my vet says I can try either a probiotic or laxatone.  As I have tried laxatone in the past to no avail, it seems like  a probiotic is a good choice. Do folks here agree?  and would you try Proviable or Fortiflora?
 

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I'm glad that Obi seems to be doing well. Throwing up a hairball once a week is still too often, IMO.

If I had to choose between the two products you mentioned, I'd go with Proviable DC. It has more probiotic strains and doesn't use animal digest. Another good pet probiotic you could look into is VetriScience Vetri Mega Probiotic (http://www.vetriscience.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=900714120). I think a pet probiotic should have at least 5 billion CFUs. Some only have 1 billion, and that really is just not enough, IMO.

I prefer human-grade probiotics, but they're usually not palatable. The one I give my cats has to be pilled since they do not like it in their food. LDG gives her cats Nexabiotic and claims that her cats have no issues with it in their food.
 
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I know, Go, once a week IS still too often.  However, Obi shows NO signs of distress,  He has stopped hiding under the bed, has stopped overgrooming his belly, and acts like a normal, healthy cat.  I did pick up some Fortiflora from my vet today because they said, and I read here, that  cats like it a lot.  No sense in buying something - at least to start - that might or might put him off his food!  If it helps him toss fewer hairballs and keeps him eating, I will be  happy.
 

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Tim takes one capsule of Proviable DC every day. I sprinkle it right on his food and he gobbles it up. I think it's been really helpful; even though he is doing so much better, I will continue to keep Tim on a probiotic.

Glad to hear Obi is doing better! I agree, you want to slow down the frequency of the hairballs. Adding a good probiotic might really help, as it should help Obi's digestion work better and move that hair through. I'd try the Proviable DC and maybe save the Fortiflora as a feeding enticement, as that seems to be its best use given its ingredients.
 
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Thank you all so much, you all are so great.  I think I s hould have bought the Proviable, but my vet only had the paste.  And my counsin's cat was put on Fortiflora and he stopped throwing up hairballs, which according to her, were almost daily.  I am giving this a month to evaluate, then I may then switch to Proviable,
 

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Just make a mental note about the animal digest and brewer's dried yeast in Fortiflora. If I recall correctly, Obi is on a special diet and these two things can cause itchiness if sensitivities / allergies exist. If you notice him overgrooming after starting Fortiflora, you may have to try something else.
 
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Is brewers yeast bad for cats?? I though that it was rich in vitamin B..I could be wrong.. and what is "animal digest?"
 

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Brewer's yeast is not terrible, per se, but it is a yeast, and can cause itchiness in some cats. One of mine reacts to it. Yes, it is high in some B vitamins, but it also high in phosphorus. I'm not sure how much of a nutritional benefit you're getting from the brewer's yeast in Fortiflora. It may be used mainly as a flavoring agent. 


I can't access the official AAFCO definition of animal digest from their site, but other websites quote the definition. Here's one: http://nusentia.com/blog/2012/11/what-is-animal-digest/. I also can't find where it says what kind of animals are used to make animal digest, but I'm going to assume it varies or it is a combination (chicken, beef, etc.).
 
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