New Re-homed cat, very lethargic and non-reactive.

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Hello, new cat mum here - really hoping for some advice from people who may have experienced the same thing I'm currently going through. 

Apologies - this is a bit long, but I'm trying to be as thorough as possible. 
Some background - just this last Thursday, I adopted two cats from my local Cat rescue, Meowcroft, a beautiful 4 year old domestic male short-hair, and his housemate, Koyuki (nicknamed Koi) a female 16 month old Snowshoe. I was told that they were a bonded pair, and had to be adopted together, which was great as that is what I wanted, so they would have companionship and mental stimulation. 

The male has settled in very well, loving, happy, eating well (but he hasn't drunk very much water at all) and using the litterbox and his toys/scratcher etc) For now, he seems to be a bit clingy, understandably, and always has to keep me in his eyesight, but a couple of slow-eye-blinks and he happily settles down. 

The female is the polar opposite. At the shelter, while he was playing quite happily, she was sleeping in her little stall - at the time I didn't give it much thought, since most of the cats were napping, and I thought maybe it was their routine. 

When the volunteer put her into the carrier she seemed very docile, didn't make a single sound on the journey home either (the boy was just the opposite!). 

When I got them home, the boy made short work of exploring and rubbing and scenting his way all around the place! The girl did a little circuit of the place, and then just sat with her paw tucked under on the rug.. not moving very much. 

I introduced them to the litterboxes, and then gave them a little food and water - they both ate a little (the girl very little)

At night - the boy howled all night long, and was jumping and exploring all over the place ( which I fully expected and is not a problem at all, and the next night he was fine)

The girl just sat on my bed all night long, never really moving. 

When I woke up the Friday morning - I saw that she had had a poo on the opposite side of where the litter box was, in a small corner, it was very loose, lots of liquid, but no blood or anything worrisome in it. 

I gave them a little bit more food, the boy nibbled at it, the girl didn't touch it, she was not interested at all.

I left for work (figuring that a quiet house would be better for them to explore in peace - and then I would be with them all weekend) Since the boy is very gregarious and outgoing, I had kept the girl in my bedroom - just to also give her a bit of space by herself, in case he was intimidating her into not using the litterbox (for a bonded pair, they really don't seem close at all... more like mildly tolerant of each other) - so I set up a fresh litterbox for her, with none of his scent on it, so she would be encouraged to use it. She also had her own fresh food and water

When I came home - the female had pooed again, mainly liquid this time, and in the same spot. She hadn't eaten anything, and I couldn't really tell if she'd drunk anything. 

She was still in the same spot - on the bed, with her paws tucked in. 

I gave her some one-on-one socialising, gentle stroking, etc - but I noticed that she hadn't cleaned herself - her rear was covered in faeces (I don't know how old, because it was quite crusty) - I cleaned her up (she made a few sounds, little bit of wriggling and protesting) and she went back onto the bed and sat there. 

I read up about rehomed cats and stress etc - and made a 'hidey' space for her - basically the carrier she was in, with a blanket over the top and sides, and left open so she could see all the comings and goings ( I have a 1 bedroom apartment, so where she is faces the main entrance so she can see everything coming and going)

I set it up in the bedroom, and after a while, she went into it and settled down. 

That night, again, she didn't eat or drink anything. 

This morning - again she had peed in the same place. 

I've now bought a smaller, shallower litter tray which just fits that area, and that will hopefully encourage her to use that. 

The reason why I'm writing this is that it really doesn't seem like only the stress from rehoming. 

When she tucks in to sit on the bed - she is sleeping, her eyes are not watching anything, or seeming scared and alert.

She's barely made any movement since the first day she arrived. She's not come out of the bedroom except to go into the little bathroom (which was tiny and dark, and that's when I set up her own hideyspace for her)

She is so lethargic - if I pet her she will not move, or acknowledge anything - I was even able to give her a full brushing and she didn't react to it. She is just staying in one spot and sleeping. She doesn't eat, or take water, she doesn't groom either (she was covered with fluff and dander, so that's why I brushed her - and she let me do it without moving away or making a protest noise). I also tried to carry on with the normal routine, and vaccuumed everywhere - it didn't phase her at all, even if I went into the room, she barely acknowledge it, and didn't move an inch. 

I got a large cat tree today, and let her onto it first. She perked up slightly (and by slightly, I mean on a scale of 0-10 she went to a 2 instead of a 1) When she tried to get down off it, she seemed very wobbly and actually half-fell... and it was from a low perch, about 1.5 metres.

She still is curled up in the carrier, sleeping. I've tried 2 different types of canned wet food, tuna, sardines, dry food and treats - and she's not been interested in any of it. She hasn't eaten anything since Thursday night. 

After the semi-fall incident today, I made a vet appointment for Monday, because I'm very worried - but I was wondering if anyone had gone through something similar? This can't be normal 'hiding' behaviour - since she doesn't always hide - she just sleeps, out in the open on the bed too. 

This is the information I was given by the shelter:

She and the male were surrendered by a couple who divorced. 

The male was brought into the shelter on the 9th April.

The female had to be given her vaccinations before she would be accepted. 

On the 11th April she was given a full-spectrum vaccination (Rhinotracheitis/Calicivirus/Panleukopenia/Chlamydiosis and also Rabies vaccination. 
She was seen again on the 12th to check for localised reactions and at that time there weren't any. 
She was dropped off at the shelter on the 14th - and I adopted them a week later. 

I asked the shelter if they had noticed anything unusual in her behaviour, if she had been listless while there, or if this was new.. but unfortunately they didn't seem to have been watching her closely, and no one could tell me. 

One volunteer did say that she 'jumped' into the litterbox in the cage... so... 

To me this just doesn't feel like stress/hide behaviour. She is not stressed or aggravated when I gently pet her (I watch her fur and tail) - and if she is on the bed I lie flat to get my head on her level, and we exchange eye blinks - she doesn't run away or move. She just doesn't move at all...  

I just don't know what could be wrong, and how to help. I'm very worried about her dehydrating. 

Could this be a reaction to the Chlamydiosis portion of the vaccine??

Is this just normal??

I don't know what her personality was like before, and the shelter couldn't help me with that either, but this just doesn't feel right and I'm so worried for her.. it's tearing my heart to shreds. 

If anyone can help I would be so grateful. Apologies again for the length of this, but I thought it I wrote everything out maybe someone would pick up on something I missed. 

Thank you again

Mariel
 

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Well first of all, Hi!  And welcome!  It's very kind of you to have adopted these kitties from the shelter.  So you just got them a few days ago?  Or has it been a week already?  Just want to make sure I understood the timeline.  

It seems as if she might be eating and drinking something because if not, she wouldn't pee and poo.  She may have a reaction to those shots.  Maybe that explains the diarrhea and the lethargy.  And she's getting used to your home at the same time.  That's a lot for a little kitty.  I'm so glad she's got her kitty buddy.  And I'm glad you're going to the vet on Monday.  They can test to see if she is dehydrated and give her fluids while there.  Until then keep offering food and water very near to her hidey spot.  

I hope the advisors take notice and give you some advice too. I'm concerned about her symptoms and that she may not be eating.  

@Kat0121  and @Margd  and @nurseangel  what do you advise?
 
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Hi Ginny

Thank you so much for replying!

I got them both this last Thursday, the 21st. So I've only had them for a few days - but she hasn't really eaten since Thursday evening - so the pee and poo's were on Friday/Saturday and may be the last thing she had in her system. 

I just tried to feed her again (a little bit of wet food, and then to the side some flakes of tuna)

To give her space - I feed her separately from the male ( I distract him with some treats and then slip into the room)

This time I put her saucer into the carrier with her, and she did sniff it, and then licked the food for a bit, but didn't actually consume much at all. 

Once the male started meowing, she stopped feeding altogether - so it has to be something to do with him too. 

I was told they were a bonded pair.. but he does seem to dominate everything, so I don't know if that's partially the culprit. They show no affection for each other whatsoever, and barely any interest. 

I am pleased she at least showed interest in the food though. Now I just need her to drink some water. 

She moved from the carrier to another cat bed, I was trying to watch her walk...and the back legs seem a little unsteady? She 'stretched' too.. but not a full cat stretch like I see normally, again, it was a little half-hearted. 

Again - thank you so so much for replying... I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed with concern here. 
 

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It doesn't really seem like they are pair-bonded, does it?  Right now might not be the best time to test that out because they haven't had time to adjust.  I'm wondering this: since she had her shots before the shelter would accept her and she's not acting any different now than at the shelter, how would they know that they were pair-bonded? 

I recall someone else got a new kitty and was really concerned she wasn't eating.  But it turned out that the kitty was eating during the night after all.  Has she used the litter box at all today.  Sorry I don't recall you saying the last time she went to the bathroom.  Since she doesn't move much and will let you pet her, do you think you can syringe feed her some water and some liquified canned food?  Has she thrown up?  It kind of sounds like the double stress of being rehomed and getting those shots.  
 
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I think the shelter was just told they were pair-bonded by the person who surrendered them, but they weren't actually at the shelter long enough to see the opposite. 

I only saw evidence of a pee this morning, on the floor - so she must have done it some time last night. 

If I leave food out for her - the male eats it, so it defeats the purpose. I thought she might be a night feeder - but I can't really keep the food out for her at night, there's no way to make sure he doesn't get to it before her. 

Outside of keeping one of them out the room at night, I'm not sure what to do? I don't want that to become the 'norm'
 

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My sense is that she is both ill and depressed, and you should get her to a vet as soon as possible.  (You have an appointment on Monday which is soon enough, as long as you make SURE she keeps taking in fluids and calories.)  If a cat goes without eating for 48 hours, they can get into physical problems with their liver, called hepatic lipidosis (you can search this site or google that for details).   In the meantime, it is important to keep her hydrated and keep her blood sugar up, because once it drops, she will be very weak, and she may be weak already.  She may have eaten nothing for quite awhile.   Shelters are a busy place and unless you have a lot of regular volunteers who know the animals, only outward signs of illness, like vomiting or sneezing, would be obvious to the staff.  You don't know if she was eating there or not.  If she was in the same cage with her housemate, he may have been the only one eating.  What I would recommend is that you go get some kitten formula (preferably powdered KMR from PetAg) and mix it up and see if she will drink some.  If not, feed her some slowly every few hours using a syringe.  It has everything in it she needs, fluid, calories, vitamins, and probiotics which may help with the diarrhea. 

Another thing to note is that you said she is a Snowshoe, which usually means Snowshoe Siamese, and Siamese are much more sensitive and attached to their owners that domestic shorthairs in general.  Siamese Rescue has had many a struggle with cats who come in deeply depressed and refuse to eat.  In this case, her "parents" got divorced and nobody claimed custody of the "kids," which is heartbreaking.  She has lost her home and the people she knew, and now she doesnt feel well and is in a new place altogether with new people.  Her housemate is not being helpful at all.  You must keep them separate for now, so you can leave food down for her and make sure who is doing what in or out of the litter box.  Obviously she is not in the mood for his company, so either set her up in the bedroom with you (that would be my suggestion) or else give her a bathroom or study with a nice cave -- like the carrier -- to hide in, and go in frequently and feed her.  The formula has always been my best bet at keeping a cat going until she wants to eat on her own, and most of them like it and drink it on their own.  It may take her lots of time and love before she is happy again.  First, you have to make sure she is healthy.  Please keep us posted!
 
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Thanks so much - I am going to try with the syringe and formula, and do what I can to keep them separated in the meantime. 

Is there anything you can recommend to help with her depression? Are there behaviours I can do to calm or soothe her, or is it just a matter of time? Whatever needs to be done I will do.. I want this to be their happy forever home.
 

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@Red Top Rescue  how much feeding would you recommend at this point?  Would KMR be good for her? That's for kittens but if she's not eating/drinking she needs some calories and liquid.  Also, you said "the formula" - what is that?

I also wonder if the shelter could contact the original owners for advice on what sounds she is used to (music, TV shows, etc.), whatever scents she is used to, and whatever tips they could provide that could give her some sense of familiarity while she adjusts to her new home.  

I'm glad she has her "buddy" with her.  At least he is familiar to her even if that is all he is to her.  

Edited:  Sorry I just went back and read the answer to my question.  It's way past my bedtime and my eyes are closing.  Keep us posted Mariel!  
 
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P.S. - I did a search and see that TSC (Tractor Supply Company) does have stores in Ontario, and they carry the KMR powdered formula.  (There is liquid too but it doesn't have the probiotics in it.)  Most farm supply stores carry such things and you can also get larger syringes to feed with.   I'm pretty sure you can find her some formula in the morning and getting food and fluids into her is really important. 

 
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I just checked my local store (I'm in Canada) - and they do have that brand of formula. I will get some tomorrow and supplement with her regular food.

I have asked the shelter if it would be possible to contact her former owners, but so far have not heard from them.

Thank you very much!!
 
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Thank you both so very very much!! I will absolutely keep updating!
 

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This is so sad, Mariel. Red Top Rescue gave you excellent advice, so there is nothing for me to add. But I'm sending vibes to you and your kitty.
 

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Oh, the poor little thing is probably terrified, being away from the only home she ever knew. God bless you for adopting her. She will come around. It will take time. I agree that having her checked by a vet is a good idea. When I adopted my two, I would sit with them and read aloud in a gentle voice to get them comfortable. It took a while, but they did eventually begin to trust me. It was well worth the effort. I hope your little girl settles in. It's still so new to her. You sound like a wonderful person, so it will all work out.
 
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Hello everyone

Update from last night - she slept with me on the bed (in her carrier) - but near enough so I could reach out and gently stroke the top of her head and muzzle every now and then.

When I woke up this morning she had gone into the bathroom and was sitting on the floor. I tried feeding her in there, separately from the boy, but she still didn't eat anything, didn't even lick at it. 

I did watch her move from the bathroom out to the bedroom though, and she didn't seem as unsteady? Also watched her use the litterbox (there was pee on the floor outside the box this morning - but I don't know if it was her or the male, marking his scent over where she pooped before).

She had a very very small pee - maybe about 2 teaspoons worth, but I'm hopeful that it means she at least drank something. She still didn't clean herself though, which I noticed after she got on the bed and sat for a bit, there was a small pee-stain. 

She was a bit hesitant at first, but managed to jump onto the bed - and we had some quiet time where she let me groom her with a brush for about 5 minutes, then she moved away just a little bit to turn onto her side (as less defensive/scared posture?)

Right now she is still on the bed and we're both giving her space. 

I'm headed out just now to go and get the milk formula - if there is anything else I should pick up while I'm there please don't hesitate to let me know!

Thank you all so much for your help with this!! You've no idea how much it means to know you're out there.

Here is a picture of the little girl - Koyuki (Little Snow) but her nickname is 'Koi'


Thank you again!
 

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What a beautiful kitty!!!  I'm so glad she slept with you too!  I can't think of what else you might need while at the pet store.  I'm hoping one of the advisors will see this and if they think of anything else, respond. Thank you for the update and the picture!!  It helps to put a face to the situation. What a pretty girl!
 

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I just thought of something.  Girls, in my opinion and experience, tend to be a bit more aloof while boys are more friendly.  Yet girls, well, mine anyway, tend to be more lap cats than boys.  Regardless, every cat has his or her limit on being touched and petted, and need some space.  They will let you know by their body language though!  Or they will just move away.  
 
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Hi Ginny!

Yes - totally understand that! I had two girls before, and one was a cuddler, the other definitely was not - but both enjoyed some 'contact time'... so I'm just going by what this little girl will tolerate for now, just so she knows I'm here and care for her. 

The male that was in the same house - he's a big ol' suck and just wants face-bumps and love all the time...so, it's two completely opposite ends of the spectrum!! Silly sweet boy. 

We are having some play time right now and giving the girl her quiet space. 

Hopefully, one day.. little girl will join in the play as well.

Not giving up on her though - anything I can do for her to help, I'll do. 
 

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Oh, she is beautiful! You are so kind and patient with her. She understands that you want to help her. She will adjust in no time, and already appears to be warming up to you. She has been through so much, losing her home, and placed into a completely new environment, so she is scared and nervous. She is lucky to have such a caring and patient new owner like you. I know this is all going to work out. If she is the one peeling outside the box, it is simply stress. That will pass too. Again, she is an absolute beauty.
 
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Update - got the formula, and after a little bit of delicate wrangling, managed to get at least 10 mls into her. 

Good news is she did put up a bit of a struggle, which I'm taking as a good sign - if she'd done nothing and stayed limp I'd be more concerned. 

After feeding her in small doses, she jumped off the bed in a huff and went and sat on the bathroom rug for about an hour (while me and Meowcraft played with his new catnip toy).

Then she came back into the room and sniffed around at the cat carrier (where she usually sleeps) and the cat tree - and then jumped back on the bed to sleep. Is that a good sign?? She's not avoiding the bed (which is where I syringe-fed her).

Anyway - first update for now, will keep everyone posted!

Thank you all again so much

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