Neutered Cats of Jazzmin Flower

[jazzmin_flower]

I would like to list here all my neutered Tomcats -- here are their names:


Callisto - Eclipse - Hilo - Indiana Jones - Spooky - Zoe
Snowball - Skippy - Wendy - Candy - Penguin - Pikachu
Midnite - Raichu - Cappucino - Frenchy - Fandango
Happy - Calliope - Periwinkle - Merlin - Saavik - Dewey -
Nutter Butter - Cosmo


and soon to be half-neutered are: Comet - Marzipan - Foxtail
Jabberwocky


Spayed and low-estrus females are: Mimosa - Heather - WhissPurr
Puffina - Pumpkin - Tanzy - Pandora - Suzi - Pepper - Annabelle
Velvet - Tabbitha - Gypsy - Andromeda - Tiny Bubbles


I believe strongly in neutering and intend to get the last offenders done over the next few years. They are held back from mating with the females and have not made any kittens in over 2 1/2 years.

Zoe: one big sweet cat that was neutered only 1 month too late at 9 months of age. He fathered 4 sons who are on the above list of neuters.

If you would like to see some of the males, click here: http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/album.php?albumid=72

 

[ldg]

Zoe is very beautiful.

That's great your cats haven't had any kittens for the past 2 1/2 years.

I'm sorry, but what is half-neutered? And what is a low-estrous female?

And you mean he was neutered "only one month late" because he'd already mated? Because it is recommended that cats be spayed/neutered between four months and six months of age. Our vets recommend they be spayed/neutered as soon as their first baby teeth fall out, though early spay-neutering (as young as 7 weeks or when they weigh over 2 pounds) is safe, does not affect development, lowers the risk of some diseases, and is now a common practice. Winn Feline Foundation Report on Early Age Altering

 

[farleyv]

Oh Zoe is so beautiful with different color eyes. All your kitties are wonderful.

Yes, spay and neuter....words to live by!

 

[rad65]

 

[feralvr]

Good Grief!!! What in the world is a half-neuter? I have never in my life heard of a vet performing a half-neuter or even know of a vet that would do that, I am curious about this?? Why would any vet remove just one testicle, what is the purpose of that operation... Has anyone else ever heard of this type of procedure?

Your cat Zoe is such a gorgeous boy! I love odd-eyed white cats, just stunnig.

 

[northernglow]

Pretty kitties. But I'm a bit lost here.. are you actually breeding moggies on purpose or did I understand something wrong? And I have to join the others who are wondering what 'half-neutered' is?

 

[my4llma]

Wow you've got a lot of beautiful cats

 

[bastetservant]

How many cats do you have at the moment?

The terms "half neuter" and "low estrus " are unfamiliar to me. Could you explain them?

You live in California, but I'm wondering if you are from another country or culture? I wonder that because of some of the unusual things you say.

And that would partially explain why you don't know about the sea otters who live off the coast of California, and always have (refers to comment in another thread).


Robin

 

[jazzmin_flower]

Foxtail has been full neutered!

(that means his little bag is completely empty)

2 - 1 = 1
It was not any purpose of my own, I must say. The new owners may or may not allow them to make only a few kittens is what I was saying, since some of the boys are very delightful in their appearances. I suggested the removal of one nesticle so that the risk of making too many at a time would be greatly reduced. Others here find that half-neutered kitties make one two or three kittens at a time. I encouraged them to finish the snipping once they have made no more that three or four kittens. We all have too many animals out here that we can't keep up with.

Low-estrus simply means that these female kitties have two season periods a year that are only two to four days long. They can only reproduce for maybe six days and haven't had any kittens except for one from Prima.

 

[-_aj_-]

my vet would laugh me out of the place if i asked him to only half neuter my cat

 

[ldg]

Honestly, Jazzmin, I'm speechless.

You've complained in other threads about how members of this site have "boxed your ears" over the spaying/neutering issue.

But if you willingly let your males stud, you are intentionally "back yard" breeding mixed breed cats, and this is just unconscionable.

You say in the same breath that it's not to "your purpose," but to remove one testicle is your idea, "so the risk of making too many is greatly reduced."

[size=+2]ANY kittens intentionally bred of mixed breed cats is too many![/size]
Further, the point of sterilizing is also to prevent unintentional breeding.

And "low estrous" females also need to be spayed!

There is no reason on earth why it should take "a few years" to get all of your cats sterilized.

You have many cats, but there are so many low-cost programs in your area, it shouldn't be a problem to get them all sterilized.

 

[ldg]

Originally Posted by -_aj_-

my vet would laugh me out of the place if i asked him to only half neuter my cat

I actually spoke to my vet about this. He's of the opinion that unless it's done for a medical reason to a pure bred cat (in an intentional breeding program), it's unethical. He additionally said, "no vet in their right mind would do this."

 

[-_aj_-]

Originally Posted by LDG

I actually spoke to my vet about this. He's of the opinion that unless it's done for a medical reason to a pure bred cat (in an intentional breeding program), it's unethical. He additionally said, "no vet in their right mind would do this."

TBH IMO i find ths member unethical if this is the process shes carrying out with her cats and telling people its a good thing to do

 

[rosiemac]

Jazzmin, l've moved your thread over because of the advice on your cats which l think is important after reading it. Please understand that no one is jumping on you, their trying to help you.

You may have already been shown this rule already, but here is a reminder of what you signed up for.

2. Please make sure to spay and neuter your cats. Unless you are a professional breeder and your cat is part of a professional breeding program, please educate yourself to the importance of spaying and neutering by the time your cat is 4-6 months old. If you take care of a feral colony, please make sure to do so responsibly by practicing TNR (Trap, Neuter, Release) protocols within the colony. By spaying and neutering, you enhance a cat's quality of life and improve their longterm health. You are also proving your love for cats because in acting as a responsible pet owner/caregiver you are minimizing the problem of cat overpopulation.

 

[northernglow]

The first thing in my mind was that this must be a bad joke..

But if the OP is not a troll, I don't think I can say anything which wouldn't be offensive one way or another (I lack the ability to sugar coat things 'cause my english sucks).
And half neutering..? Seriously? Why would you do something like that if you can do a proper neutering with the same effort (or probably easier)? I also have hard time believing that it would work because males do 'it' more than once to a female and you can't decide how many kittens you'll get whether the stud has one or two testicles (cryptorchid males for example). Well, some breeds tend to have smaller litters but with moggies you can't really tell.

Another thing: What are these cats tested for before they are let to breed or given to someone who will let them breed? Without knowing their lines way back, you can't possibly know much about their conditions. If you can't afford to spay and neuter but can afford to let them breed, I see an issue. Because to me that means it's very unlikely that you "could afford" to test them from everything (FeLV, FIV, bloodgroups, PKD, HCM, PRA, GM1/GM2 etc.)

Please do correct me if I've misunderstood the whole thing.

 

[katiemae1277]

aside from the absurdity of half-neutering, that cat looks unhealthy. His fur is nappy, he is very skinny, to be honest, he looks like my leukemia cats do when they start to get sick and stop eating and grooming themselves.

 

[ruthyb]

Originally Posted by katiemae1277

aside from the absurdity of half-neutering, that cat looks unhealthy. His fur is nappy, he is very skinny, to be honest, he looks like my leukemia cats do when they start to get sick and stop eating and grooming themselves.

To be honest, I'm speechless, I'm sorry but I will be incredibly honest, you seem to have a lot of cats who are "half nuetered" and to be honest I don't think you can care for them that much. You must have money to do this procedure and then get them fully neutered/spayed as I know here if I asked for a strange request like that from my vet it would be every expensive, if they would do it at all but I think they would not due to ethical reasons.
Please think of the implications and health/welfare of your cats and unless you are in a proper breeding programme then I don't understand this at all. I don't think that having one testicle is that much different to having two as sperm is not produced in the testicles.x

 

[GoldyCat]

I've been following this thread wanting to find out what "half neuter" and "low estrus" are. Now that you've explained it, I would say that at the very least you need some serious education.

The number of kittens produced has no relationship to the number of testicles. There is a relationship to the number of times a cat is mated. It can and does happen that kittens in a single litter will have several different fathers. How are you preventing the intact males from mating with the females? Are they totally separated? Confined?

"Low estrus", as you describe it, is essentially meaningless. Cats can have silent heats, which means that while you may only observe them in heat twice a year, it could be happening much more frequently. In addition, a cat does not have to be in heat to become pregnant. Ovulation is stimulated by the physical act of mating, and intact males don't necessarily wait for a female to be in heat.

You mentioned the cats going to their new owners. Are you running a rescue and adopting out cats? Are you intentionally breeding your cats and selling the kittens? Are you prepared to take on the financial responsibility the first time one of those new owners comes back to you with, "You told me I would get only one or two kittens and my cat just had eight!"?

 

[feralvr]

I am outraged by your response Jazzmin. I contacted two shelters, my trusted vet, and veterinarian specialist located in Chicago, IL. NONE of these practices would ever even consider removing one nesticle (as you say, it should be testicle) on a cat. This is outrageous and I am very concerned for the cats in your care. Part of my intellect tells me you are just on our site to create drama as this is not reality in the least and not in the best interest of cats. PERIOD. I have contacted some rescues in California that would be willing to assist you in any way with getting your cats fixed. We are all concerned for the cats here and I have to wonder if you are of sound mind to care for as many cats as you have and have the financial backing. This is most bizarre to me and now I want to reach out to you and assist you anyway I can, if only for the health of the cats.

 

[calvin&i]

Just asked a doctor to confirm if the number of testicles have any relation to the ability to reproduce. I got laughed at.

Yes, as others have mentioned, there is no corelation. Also for how long are you able to monitor your females to determine they are low estrus because by the time you determine that they may have had multiple litters.
I am new to cats but I am stunned at someone with the number of cats that you have (OP) can be so so ignorant. You must be really really wealthy to be able to provide the great care you portray you are providing to your kitties. I do not know your situation and I may be completely wrong, but from your posts and the pictures (where you can see the background of what I presume is your house) I cannot but feel sorry about the situation. There are just too many cats and too many ignorant people in this world to do justice to them. At times you have mentioned that your cats have been seized from you and I applaud the people who have done that. Again, we all here may be getting the wrong idea about you but through your posts you do not come across as someone who is very knowledgeable or responsible.