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My cat has been sick for months, and isn't getting any better.  He's 5 to 6 years old with FIV.  I rescued him a couple years ago, and he was pretty overweight.  About 6 months ago, he started losing some weight, but I thought that was good since he weighed way too much.  But he just kept going.  I keep dry food always available, and feed wet food twice a day.  I usually didn't watch him eat, but started when I realized just how skinny he was getting.  He nibbles and licks it, but not much eating.  He's always had very loose stools so that wasn't really a concern, though it became clear that wasn't helping.  He was 12.9 pounds at rescue, but just kept dropping.  3 weeks ago, he was at 8.9.  Ran the full battery of tests which all showed normal.  Tried a couple antibiotics and steroid, tried hypoallergenic food, tried digestive aids.  He gained an ounce back, but that could've been because he stayed at the office for fluids because he was dehydrated.  He still only nibbled so I tried every food under the sun.  But as of today, he has dropped down to 6.7 pounds.  He has started running a fever and has a snotty nose; doctor said it's probably secondary.  He said there's really nothing else we can do, and it's time to think about letting go.  If anyone has any suggestions, I am open. 

He doesn't seem to be in any pain.  He's not walking slow, he's still jumping on the beds, still very loving and purring anytime he's pet.  He still comes running in the mornings and evenings when I open the wet food, even though he barely eats any.  He isn't playful though, not surprising.  I don't know if he's in pain or not.  I don't want to make him suffer unnecessarily, but I don't want to put him to sleep unless it's necessary.  I did it with my cat that I'd had for 14 years, and I still second guess that decision.  I'd prayed I'd never have to do that again.  So I'm considering waiting for him to pass naturally.  It doesn't help that my kids are inconsolable. 

I'm open to any advice from fellow cat lovers.  Thanks!
 

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Take it one day at a time, you can't really do anything else.  You can hope he does pass naturally and quietly at home, but you can also have a plan on what you will do if he begins to suffer.  Many places have services who will come to your home and peacefully euthanize an animal, avoiding a trip to the vet's office.  Some vet practices actually offer this service.  Look into all of this in advance.  It's always a good thing to know.  I had a cat who had not been sick who suddenly went into heart/lung failure and could not breathe well.  Fortunately my own vet was willing to meet me at their hospital, no cheaper than the emergency vets would have been, but familiar and comfortable, and yes, there was nothing to do but put him to sleep then and there because he was suffering from air hunger.........so in my case, my own vet was Plan A, if available, and the emergency vets, further away and unfamiliar, were plan B.  Just remember, quality of life trumps quantity of life, and you may have to make that choice, or you may not.  Just be prepared.  In the meantime, I know this is the hardest part of all with a beloved cat, knowing he doesn't have much longer, but not knowing when the time will come.  They do have a way of telling us when they are ready to leave if we are willing to listen.  My heart goes out to you.
 

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i would suggest getting a second opinion, from a vet at a different practice -- like humans often do. sometimes a second doctor/vet will see something that the first hadn't noticed or considered.

have you tried stage 1 meat baby food in the little jars (beechnut or gerber, the kind that is pureed and only has meat, water, and some have a bit of cornstarch in them. like chicken in gravy, turkey in gravy, beef in gravy, and ham in gravy)? many/most cats really like or love the jar baby food. it's not nutritionally complete, but may help to entice your boy to eat more.

also, you could try using your finger to wipe a little wet food or the meat baby food on his front paw. most cats will lick the paw to keep it clean, and that might help get more food into your boy.
 
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I bought some baby food, but he won't eat any voluntarily.  I can basically force feed him using a syringe, and he swallows it.  I'll definitely do it if it can buy us some time to figure out what is wrong.  How much would he need to eat in a day to gain some weight? 
 
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I would love to seek a second opinion, but I'm running pretty low on funds.  My kids and I have both been sick for a few weeks (my son, then me, now my daughter) so I've missed work and had dr appointments and prescriptions.  Just a really bad time financially right now. 
 

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Personally, I would not give up on him.

FIV is not all that bad when it's in an owned and cared for cat.

What it takes is, when you see him coming down with something, get him on meds as soon as possible, and continue the antibiotics for longer than what the norm is, as it takes his weaker system longer to overcome the issue.

I think he has had a uri for a long time, and it has worn him down dramatically.

If it were my cat, I would get him on clavamox, and not stop until he gets better.

I would also add lysine onto his daily food, and feed him high calorie, good quality food.

I would give nutritional supplements to help his weakened system out.
 
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I know cats with FIV can live long lives.  This is my third cat with FIV.  My first lived until 14, my second is still going strong at 16.  I wish it were as simple as a UTI.  HIs blood panel showed a normal white blood cell count.  Even with that, we tried multiple antibiotics with no positive effect.  I've spent a small fortune on every kind of food imaginable.  It does no good if he won't eat it.  I had hoped that basically force feeding him baby food last night would help even a bit, but he has deteriorated further this morning.  He won't even nibble anything and won't drink anything either.  He's moving slow this morning.  It reminds me of when my last cat passed at age 15.  I'm pretty sure he's in pain, though we all know cats don't show it easily. 
 

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Can you post the blood work? Although it sounds like he is pretty far gone right now. If you don't have the money or ability to pursue this further then you need to put him to sleep.

There are things that can be done for a cat that isn't eating, and most likely, although it is impossible to tell online, but most likely were you to take him into a specialty hospital they would immediately start him on IV fluids and run blood work. His electrolyte in balance would be adjusted and a feeding tube would be placed, and he would be started on a very slow drip of food into the tube and he would get IV fluids and possible blood transfusion. He would also get oxygen therapy as needed. Would he survive with all that? With a week of hospitalization maybe? With a few days? Who knows. I know where I used to work I would be getting at least a $1,000.00 deposit and I am sure it would go much higher than that. I don't know how your area is on that. every place is different.

You need to decide what you are going to do now. No waiting for a bit. Do it now. Are you going to take him to a specialist or at least a cat vet and have him hospitalized with life saving measures to try to keep him alive with a chance that he could pull through since he is so young? Or, are you going to either call a house call vet and have them come in and put him to sleep? Or are you going to take him to the hospital and stay with him and have them put him to sleep?

There is no grey area here. If your cat is as you say he is what you are doing is prolonging his suffering, and if he has lost 1/3 of his body weight in 6 months he is suffering. I think you owe him better than that. Don't worry about blaming yourself for making the wrong choice because it isn't the wrong choice. Letting him slowly starve to death is the wrong thing to do.

Look, I know you love your cat and I know you did everything you could for him and that you really want what is best for him. I am not trying to be cold here and if I come across that way it is only that I feel your veterinarian let you down here by not helping you make some vital choices and decisions here and didn't fully explain to you the gravity of a cat that isn't eating. It is not your fault at all.

I don't know any of the above of course. I don't know you or your cat or your vet and I am just going by my interpretation of what I have read. I may be missing allot. Also I am just someone with a silly picture online. You don't know me and I may not be anything more than a bored 7 year old. But regardless of any of this, you do owe it to your cat to have a vet see him now, even if it is for his last time. They rarely die peacefully when they are that ill.

Again I am very sorry for you, your kids, and most of all your sweet cat.
 

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I have to agree, if he is deteriorating that fast at this point, sadly it's best to let him go, unless of course as @Quiet  said too, you are able to go the alternative route and turn him around because he is so young, but regardless, it should be decided ASAP. For him.

 
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I went home to get him earlier today to take him back to the vet to be put to sleep.  When I got there, he was nibbling some tuna my daughter gave him and moving around better.  So I talked to my vet, and got another round of antibiotics, steroids, vitamins, and pain medicine.  Give it a shot, and if there's no improvement tomorrow I can take him in then.  If there is an improvement, then we'll see how he's doing on Monday.  If it is time, I would prefer for it to happen at home, where he's surrounded by everyone and everything he loves so if we can do that while managing any pain, that's what we'll do.  I wish I had $1,000 to plunk down because I would do it.  But since I don't, we'll just take it one day at a time.  I appreciate every one's advice and comments.
 

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Just when you think it's time, they fool you and put you right back into one day at a time!  I'm so glad you got everything you need from the vet, including pain medicine in case he has any pain, and can keep him comfortable over the weekend.  Of course we are all hoping for a miracle, that he will get better and stick around for more years of love, but even one more day is great as long as he's happy, and you are certainly listening to him very well and taking excellent care of him.  He is a lucky cat.
 
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Well, Andre has stopped hiding under the bed and he will sprawl out now instead of sitting curled up.  He and my other cat are also grooming each other again.  He's not eating much, but my daughter and I offer food to him about every 15 minutes so he's nibbling frequently.  I took him in for sub-q fluids a bit ago since he's still dehydrated.  I know this could just be a last rally so I'm trying not to get too hopeful, but I'm very happy with how things are going right now!  The pain meds made him throw up so he hasn't had one since yesterday around noon, but he doesn't appear to be in any pain.  He's moving faster and is talking to me again. 
 

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Hi JMux,

So sorry to hear about your kitty. I am going through the exact same thing with my cat Edgar right now. He was diagnosed with FIV and is not eating much. Other than the not eating he seems to be doing ok. I have taken him to the vets twice, the second time when they came back with the bloodwork they also said I might need to be considering euthanasia. However, I am going to continue to force feed him for a while, and hope that this will help things along with his antibiotics and such. He is only 2 and a half so I really dont want to give up on him yet, but like you I am running short on funds as I am a university student at the moment! I'm glad that you are giving him a second chance as well, and I hope that he pulls through!! 
 

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As long as you stay right in the NOW, you can be happy and celebrate.  As of right NOW, he's doing a lot better, and that's all any of us have is NOW.  I'm very happy for you and Andre today.
 
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I'm very sad to say that the rally may be over.  He was drinking and eating better yesterday, and he slept with me last night.  Today though he is back to not eating.  He is sneezing a lot and has a very snotty nose.  I can tell when holding him that he has a fever too.  It may be time. 
 

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Cats can live long normal lives with FIV. Please seek out another veterinarian if the one you see is recommending euthanasia.
 
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I tried everything I could afford, and Andre even rallied for a little bit, but it wasn't meant to be.  He did in my arms morning, cuddled up with me and my other cat. 
 

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I'm so sorry for your loss.



I used to have a cat with FIV and he went through all the same stages as Andre.

t's heartbreaking, but you did everything you could for him. He was very lucky to die at home, surrounded by those who love him
 

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So sorry for your loss!  I'm glad that you were able to be with him when he passed!
 
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