Hissing and Swatting.....

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i adopted Sassy about 2 1/2 yrs ago. she was 7 months old at the time. she lived with an older couple during that time.

since the day i brought her home, she seems to dislike my daughter, Lana. for 3+ months i did what i could to get Lana to do things that i know she should do to gain Sassy's trust. nothing seemed to work. when i say NOTHING, i mean it. Sassy wanted NOTHING to do with Lana. she didn't want to play with Lana. she didn't want Lana to even be in the same room. she didn't want Lana around her food. etc.. i ended up just telling Lana to stop paying attention to Sassy at all. i told her that the only way Sassy would START bring nice was when she was ready to do the things i knew would help Sassy feel better around her...but you can only tell a 7-8 yr old so many times before giving up.

i think that one thing may be key here....Lana has ADHD, and does not have the patience to do the things i tell her Sassy needs from her. she is not a consistent type of child. she is wild herself and yells a lot and gets in trouble a lot. i am sure those things have a lot to do with how Sassy reacts to Lana. it still isn't fair to Lana to have to get scratched for no reason. since it has been so long since i brought her home. although, Sassy doesn't do hurt Lana everyday like before. it happens randomly, maybe 1-2 times a week, but still it's not right.

let me just add that i did NOT know the correct way of introducing animals into a new home with another animal living there already. i am not sure if that may have anything to do with Sassy's behavior STILL. She and Bella still do not get along. they pretty much stay clear of each other.

Sassy DID swat at my face at first too. and my husbands. randomly too. i could be sitting there doing nothing while cuddling with Sassy and all of a sudden i would get a claw in my face. of course it pissed us off. she did stop swatting my face maybe after about 2-4 months. she stopped doing it to my husband a couple months after that.

i actually was so upset about it at one point that i was ready to give Sassy away. my husband KNEW how attached i was to Sassy, and vice versa, even after the first couple of weeks of bringing Sassy home. my husband talked me out of it. he said that it will take more than a few months for her to adjust to us. I KNEW THAT! i was just looking at the safety of our daughter and her face. i didn't want Sassy to stay if she was not going to be able to stop hurting our child.

sometimes Sassy would only hiss and run. mostly swat and run (sometimes with claws out and sometimes retracted). either way...it still drives me nuts that my daughter gets swatted and bleeds and cries because of Sassy's unknown reasoning.

examples.......

when Sassy first came into our home....Lana would be sitting on the couch watching tv..minding her own business..then comes along a Sassy who quickly sat beside her and smacked her in the face with her claws out.

Lana has had multiple scratches from Sassy in the same day even.

a few months after having Sassy....Lana was getting dry food to put in the cats bowls. she bent down to scoop the food from the bag and Sassy quickly swatted and scratched Lana in the face.

and just about 30 minutes ago.....Lana was playing with Ivee in the living room. Sassy was sitting with me. when Lana got up from the floor to walk out of the living room, Sassy jumped up and swatted Lana's leg. she did draw blood too.
in the beginning it was always in Lana's face. then it was anywhere Sassy could make contact, but still in the face too. now, as of 6+ months, it seems to be anywhere she can make contact.

i would love to try any new way/s to possibly resolve this. for both Sassy and Lana's sake.
like i mentioned above. i can't get Lana to be consistent. so maybe this is just not going to be a battle worth fighting?

honestly, I WANT to try more things so that possibly Sassy will STOP feeling that she needs to hurt Lana..but i know Lana wouldn't care if Sassy played with her or not. Lana has Bella, and Ivee now. BUT....is there a way to get Sassy to just leave Lana alone?
 
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Some cats just do not like children.  My Piper is like this.  She doesn't hiss or swat at them but she will growl and just leave the room if they are visiting.  It could be that Sassy didn't have prior experience with children being around an elderly couple prior?  A lot of times, cats pick one person and that's their person.  They may or may not tolerate others.  My sisters cat, Belle, is like this.  She is my sisters cat and HATES everyone else and she does hiss and swat. 

Could it be that your daughter may have done something to hurt the cat and make it not trust her that you didn't see?  That could be a big reason.  Contrary to belief, I think cats have a very good memory and they don't forget things like that.  You say your daughter has ADHD... If she can't be trusted to be gentle or appropriate with Sassy, I would say the best thing is to tell her to leave Sassy alone and ignore her.  But Sassy either feels the need to attack her to defend herself or just out of behavior issues herself.  I would take her to a behavior specialist if it were me and tell them what she does.  This is not normal.  A normal cat would be happy and go out of their way to stay away from your daughter as much as possible.  Don't give up, it may not be Sassy's fault, either.  She could have a disorder, too. 
 
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Thank you P3.
I am not sure that anything happened. Sassy was pretty much this way with Lana the day I brought her home.
Being that Sassy also swatted at my husband and I too..but stopped after a while..is strange too.
One thing I wonder about....
Would Sassy lash out at Lana since animals can sense our emotions? I mean..the fact that I get angry and very frustrated a lot with Lana, becuz of her attitude on a daily basis.

Good idea....I will see of I can find a behavior specialist in our area.
 
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Not that this helps any, but it's always been my experience that - in general - children are not good with pets. Kids do not have the calm-assertive energy that adults do. Kids are not good at controlling their uneasiness or showing outright fear. My daughter is the same way. She is 14 and every time the cat moves, she moves her hand almost in anticipation that the cat is going to bite. This sends bad messages to animals.

Some animals are just more "tolerant" of children. This is my opinion.
 
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Not that this helps any, but it's always been my experience that - in general - children are not good with pets. Kids do not have the calm-assertive energy that adults do. Kids are not good at controlling their uneasiness or showing outright fear. My daughter is the same way. She is 14 and every time the cat moves, she moves her hand almost in anticipation that the cat is going to bite. This sends bad messages to animals.

i understand what you are saying. i agree. especially a child with ADHD..wildly energetic sometimes.
 

Some animals are just more "tolerant" of children. This is my opinion.
i think that is how Bella is with my daughter. she has grown up with Lana and her crazy ways. i am hoping that Ivee is at least tolerant to it too, since she will be growing up with Lana and her ways too.
 

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We got my oldest cat, Alafair, as a kitten when I was four years old and my brother was two.  I had wanted a cat for quite some time, so my parents got one for the family.  It was as if she knew she was my cat- she would follow me around, play with me, sleep with me, and love on me.  My brother?  Hated him with a burning passion.  She turns 17 tomorrow and still does not like him.  She is not a friendly cat to begin with (only likes me and my father for the most part), but has always had a special dislike for him.  She became more tolerant of him when I moved away, but began liking him less when she came to live with me again
 

I don't know if it was the two year age difference between us that caused her to bond more with me and dislike him, or perhaps he was far less gentle than I was, or maybe she is just a jerkish cat, but sometimes cats just don't get along with kids.  Some people don't get along with kids, but we all have to put up with them.  Some cats are eternal angels who tolerate kids pulling on their tails, yelling around them, and toting them all over the house in awkward positions.  Some humans love being around children.  I would encourage her to leave Sassy alone for the most part, and instead focus on her interactions with the other cats.  Encourage her to spend time playing with tolerant Bella instead of Sassy.  I would still try to include her in tasks such as feeding Sassy in the hopes that she will begin to associate your child with good things, but sometimes cats just aren't good with children.  If you can make the interactions between Ivee and Lana pleasant then she will probably grow up fairly tolerant of her.  She is young and impressionable- try to make her associate the kid with happy fun times!
 
 

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Lately Thunder is really getting upset when we pick her up and even pet her. I have swat back at her and told her that she will let me pet her and not swat at the hand that feeds her and then she just runs away.

On the lighter note; when Thunder scratches the carpet and we say ;;  hey-hey that's enough ,she stares at us like she didn't do anything, and we point our finger at her. And then she charges at me. It is very funny.

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We got my oldest cat, Alafair, as a kitten when I was four years old and my brother was two.  I had wanted a cat for quite some time, so my parents got one for the family.  It was as if she knew she was my cat- she would follow me around, play with me, sleep with me, and love on me.  My brother?  Hated him with a burning passion.  She turns 17 tomorrow and still does not like him.  She is not a friendly cat to begin with (only likes me and my father for the most part), but has always had a special dislike for him.  She became more tolerant of him when I moved away, but began liking him less when she came to live with me again
 

I don't know if it was the two year age difference between us that caused her to bond more with me and dislike him, or perhaps he was far less gentle than I was, or maybe she is just a jerkish cat, but sometimes cats just don't get along with kids.  Some people don't get along with kids, but we all have to put up with them.  Some cats are eternal angels who tolerate kids pulling on their tails, yelling around them, and toting them all over the house in awkward positions.  Some humans love being around children.  I would encourage her to leave Sassy alone for the most part, and instead focus on her interactions with the other cats.  Encourage her to spend time playing with tolerant Bella instead of Sassy.  I would still try to include her in tasks such as feeding Sassy in the hopes that she will begin to associate your child with good things, but sometimes cats just aren't good with children.  If you can make the interactions between Ivee and Lana pleasant then she will probably grow up fairly tolerant of her.  She is young and impressionable- try to make her associate the kid with happy fun times!
 
i have actually been telling Lana to leave Sassy alone. in fact i did tell her that it would be better to just let Bella know that she still loves her and to keep playing with her and her favorite toys. Bella forever sleeps in Lana's room and cuddles with her at night. Bella spends mostly everyday in Lana's room while she is at school. unless Bella is in the top of the cat tower. but Bella never changes in the sense of letting anyone pick her up PERIOD!

i have also been making sure she plays with Ivee. she loves to play with Ivee. all Ivee has known since birth is being around kids..3 are younger than Lana.

which reminds me. i am glad that i got Ivee when i did. she is so playful and happy and is starting to lay on my shoulder like her momma. (not sure i posted a pic..if not, i will.)
one of Ivee's sisters, Holli-Noel, who is still in the home i got Ivee from, is having a hard time with the 2 younger children that live there right now.
my friend (who's grandkids are living there) is keeping Holli, but she feels that the way the kids are treating Holli is pushing Holli away from HER. Holli was very affectionate, playful, happy, etc, with my friend and is slowly becoming scared and kind of skittish and not so affectionate anymore. my friend is afraid that it may be too late to still have that affectionate bond that she had with Holli, once the kids and their mother move out. (not sure when that is..maybe the next couple of months.) Holli is only 9 weeks old. so we wonder if it will change things when the kids are no longer there..or will Holli possibly continue to be scared, etc.?
any thoughts would be appreciated.
Lately Thunder is really getting upset when we pick her up and even pet her. I have swat back at her and told her that she will let me pet her and not swat at the hand that feeds her and then she just runs away.

On the lighter note; when Thunder scratches the carpet and we say ;;  hey-hey that's enough ,she stares at us like she didn't do anything, and we point our finger at her. And then she charges at me. It is very funny.

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we don't swat back. kind of happens so fast with Sassy that we can't catch her as she does a SWAT AND RUN.
 
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My3Grrlz,

 I don't hit her, I just 'swat play'  with Thunder. 


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Sorry...I didn't mean as in 'hit'..or swat in a bad manner. :)
 
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Yeah, I've done the "swat back and forth" game with Tiny; he smacks my hand and I smack his paw; then eventually he rolls over on his back and grabs my hand and rabbit-kicks, or grabs a finger between his teeth. I always tell people, "Don't play with your cat with your hands"; but with Tiny, that's the way he likes to play, and he knows how to do it politely. He never uses claws. He never bites down. When he wants to stop playing, he simply pushes my hand away.

When I adopted him as a nearly-grown stray, he already had that habit; perhaps whoever dumped him as a young kitten let him play with their hands. I didn't want to rebuff him, because he was such a shy near-feral at first; the playing was some of the first really fearless interaction he had with me. I couldn't say no to that. Luckily it took next to no time to teach him that I don't like to play when he uses his claws or his teeth. All I had to do was just yelp if he bit down or used his claws, and ignore him thereafter. Lesson learned--bite or claw, and the game ends. It worked.

I wouldn't recommend it to anybody to try to teach a cat to play nicely instead of simply not using your hands, but from my experience it is totally possible for a cat to play with your hands without ever hurting you, provided the cat knows what hurts you and cares about not hurting you. Naturally, the best option would be to actually adopt the cat early on and teach him that hands aren't toys. But if the cat already thinks hands are toys, and can be taught not to hurt you when he does pounce on you, that works too.
 
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When we got Bella 3 years ago as a kitten she was playing with my hands & arms and she tore them up. Bleeding sore and my doctor told me to go to the Health Department  to get a shot because a cat is in the littler box  and I didn't want to  get infected. I still have to trim her nails a few times a month. They grow so  fast.

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we don't actually play the swat game. it's funny how Sassy swats. no claws, but hard enough to hear and fast. it cracks us up.
my husband does let the cats play with his hands. he is the only one tho. so i hope that they get the hint that his are the only ones they can play that game with.

i did tell Lana that as long as she plays with Ivee and spends time with her that she will most likely be similar to Bella. we have had Bella since she was 6 weeks old. so far Ivee likes all 3 of us humans. as for getting along with her 2 older kitty sisters, they are still getting to know each other. they are starting to play more. Sassy seems to accept Ivee a little more here and there. not really sure about Bella. Ivee chases both of them around the apartment now. she is getting brave.
in fact..as i type this..Ivee is chasing Bella around right now.

i trim Sassy and Ivee's claws. Sassy has had hers trimmed since she was a kitten too. when i got her at 7 months she was already use to it. that was a great plus. their claws do grow so very fast. i almost can't keep up with trimming them. i try to once a week or every other week.
 
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