Hi Daisy, I have never heard of alter catteries before this thread, I feel more enlightened having read your post! Just out of interest, which breed do you specialise in? And welcome to TCS
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Ethics Question - Showing
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Hi Epona,
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Glad my post made sense, it can be confusing as the cat fancy has so many ways of doing things ie. collective catteries ect.
My experience with alter catteries mostly seems to be those of a retired age who may be limited in their own time due to age, and love being able to show as a hobby while not having the long term housing requirements of a permanent companion. They get to enjoy their show cats, participate in the fancy commonly with their friends and see the alters off to great pet homes.
My mini intro:
I work with Traditional Siberians (I don't breed colorpoints) here in Ohio, USA. I have 4 girls and 2 gorgeous boys.
My girls are: Rajjah, solid black
Bella, a blue cream tortie smoke
Marigold, black classic torbie
Kisa, Marigolds daughter, brown mackerel
My boys are:
Tayga, a blue classic
Armand, brown mackerel with white who is from my first litter.
I also have 1 solid black girl who is a poly from the pound.
Daisy
Thanks for the warm welcome.
Glad my post made sense, it can be confusing as the cat fancy has so many ways of doing things ie. collective catteries ect.
My experience with alter catteries mostly seems to be those of a retired age who may be limited in their own time due to age, and love being able to show as a hobby while not having the long term housing requirements of a permanent companion. They get to enjoy their show cats, participate in the fancy commonly with their friends and see the alters off to great pet homes.
My mini intro:
I work with Traditional Siberians (I don't breed colorpoints) here in Ohio, USA. I have 4 girls and 2 gorgeous boys.
My girls are: Rajjah, solid black
Bella, a blue cream tortie smoke
Marigold, black classic torbie
Kisa, Marigolds daughter, brown mackerel
My boys are:
Tayga, a blue classic
Armand, brown mackerel with white who is from my first litter.
I also have 1 solid black girl who is a poly from the pound.
Daisy
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That's a new thing to me. Its possible this is what this person does - she fits the "profile" on some levels.
But as far as I know she's not going in the judging program and her attitude of "if my cat doesn't win, I'm going home and dumping it" is what us and others don't like about her.
What doesn't make sense is her claim of breeders handing over cats to her for free to be shown. Still don't think that many of them know she doesn't keep the cats long. And the fact that she never has cats from the same person/cattery is a bit suspicious.
But thanks for a different look to the situation
But as far as I know she's not going in the judging program and her attitude of "if my cat doesn't win, I'm going home and dumping it" is what us and others don't like about her.
What doesn't make sense is her claim of breeders handing over cats to her for free to be shown. Still don't think that many of them know she doesn't keep the cats long. And the fact that she never has cats from the same person/cattery is a bit suspicious.
But thanks for a different look to the situation
I wouldn't sell to this specific person. Just not willing too. The attitude, the not keeping long (titling a cat takes time and patience plus to see the long term development) and I don't know a soul who just GIVES AWAY a show cat. Plus the big difference here is she wants a cat ready for permanent retirement while most alter catteries get kittens.
Daisy
Daisy
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I found out a little more to the story. But she didn't make this clear at the time - apparently she takes these cats for free, shows them and most of them do return to the original breeder who "gave" her the cat.
That sounds better, but the way she put it at the show was not the same thing at all. If she had told the truth of "I show breeder's cats for them and then return them when done" would have made a lot more sense.
Still think its wrong to just give them away or sell them unless the original breeder oks that.
That sounds better, but the way she put it at the show was not the same thing at all. If she had told the truth of "I show breeder's cats for them and then return them when done" would have made a lot more sense.
Still think its wrong to just give them away or sell them unless the original breeder oks that.
When I place a kitten, I am VERY specific that if a breeder has a cat from me or a pet owner has the kitten, I will rehome the kitten or cat for a family and have first right of the cat back if they are retiring it and in the least require knowledge of the new owner. If I trusted the breeder to get a kitten from me, I trust they can place it, I just need to be aware.
Daisy
Daisy
Sorry I haven't been posting but I have been following this thread with interest.
My take? No, I wouldn't give away a cat. Some sort of money and contract MUST change hands to make a sale valid, even if it is for a token amount.
You know that I now show Maine Coons. Not mine. The breeder of these Maine Coons is Handicapped. So, for the new show season, and for purposes of Granding/DW, instead of being agent on record, I will temporarily co-own the Maine Coon with no breeding rights (don't want it anyway, at least not for now). When what is wanted for the cat is achieved, the co-ownership is dissolved, and the cat is returned to his breeder (with great sadness in my heart). In this manner, both the breeder and myself bears the costs of keeping the cat in show condition, grooming and showing the cat.
This "deal" gives me what I need - Long hair grands under my name, the knowledge of Maine Coons and it also gives the breeder what he needs - being able to grand a cat in the shortest possible amount of time. However, this is not for everyone. There is a large amount of trust and respect between the breeder and myself for this to work!
My take? No, I wouldn't give away a cat. Some sort of money and contract MUST change hands to make a sale valid, even if it is for a token amount.
You know that I now show Maine Coons. Not mine. The breeder of these Maine Coons is Handicapped. So, for the new show season, and for purposes of Granding/DW, instead of being agent on record, I will temporarily co-own the Maine Coon with no breeding rights (don't want it anyway, at least not for now). When what is wanted for the cat is achieved, the co-ownership is dissolved, and the cat is returned to his breeder (with great sadness in my heart). In this manner, both the breeder and myself bears the costs of keeping the cat in show condition, grooming and showing the cat.
This "deal" gives me what I need - Long hair grands under my name, the knowledge of Maine Coons and it also gives the breeder what he needs - being able to grand a cat in the shortest possible amount of time. However, this is not for everyone. There is a large amount of trust and respect between the breeder and myself for this to work!
Thats very nice of you to work with the MC breeder and I agree completely with a contract especially to make everything exact.
Daisy
Daisy
