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Not sure anyone mentioned yet not read all replies but I had 20 yo cat with kidney disease and epakitin supplement really kept her going she has since passed but I found it bought her more time.
Thanks. I will check that out.Not sure anyone mentioned yet not read all replies but I had 20 yo cat with kidney disease and epakitin supplement really kept her going she has since passed but I found it bought her more time.
Yes, for my cat it was normal,...since I figure that our cats still need the moisture in the water, or wet cat food, to feel their mouths, throats, throat linings to feel well hydrated.Is it normal for CKD cats to still drink water even if we are giving SubQ once a day? I keep thinking was it because the SubQ is not enough.
Hmm...that is a bit worrisome.Meimey threw up her food last night. She has a habit of eating too fast sometimes and running around immediately after eatinf. After throwing up, she came back for more, threw that up too. So I removed all the food last night. This morning, again regurgitating minutes after eating and coming back for seconds. This is beginning to worry me. I didn’t see anymore incidents before I left the house so I’m hoping she calmed down. She’s been so nervous/scared ever since Meffy was diagnosed and Meffy going back and forth to the vet. I wonder if this is stress triggered. Usually Meimey vomits 1-2 times a month. Last month was good, no incidents until Meffy got sick.
Thank you so much Nan68 . This is very helpful info to know.Not sure anyone mentioned yet not read all replies but I had 20 yo cat with kidney disease and epakitin supplement really kept her going she has since passed but I found it bought her more time.
Did you vet give her subcutaneous fluids? It is done via IV. I had 2 kidney disease cats that I gave the fluids myself. I have another that hasnt gotten to that point yet. I would give it a little time for her to perk up. My cats did better on the fluids and with their CKD diet.Will Meffy ever be back to cheerful, playful herself despite being sick? Or have I lost this forever?
I just ordered Epatikin. I hope the cats will accept it being in their food.Yes, for my cat it was normal,...since I figure that our cats still need the moisture in the water, or wet cat food, to feel their mouths, throats, throat linings to feel well hydrated.
The sub-q's go into the 'interstitial spaces'...and are absorbed differently...than taking in water from drinking.
Body Fluid Compartments and Fluid Dynamics in Animals - Emergency Medicine and Critical Care - Merck Veterinary Manual
Not sure, if your Meffy needs more Sub-q fluid, though?
Do you know her present weight,...or the weight that the Vet last did, at the clinic?
If you can find that out, then you could do a simple calculation, which the 'iwillhelpyourcat' vet did, and get a good safe number, to know approximately what is useful to give.
The formula he used is on his website, too.
Videos & Tutorials — I Will Help Your Cat
Hmm...that is a bit worrisome.
Could you try placing her food, higher up, on some books, or a box, so that she does not have to bend over to eat.
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Even some puzzle games may help:
Homemade Puzzles - Food Puzzles for Cats
Unless she eats the actual puzzle, or cannot figure it out.
(you have to supervise them, and my female cat just gives up, but goes back to the treats later, while my male cat enjoys the challenge, for awhile. Basically, both my cats get me to show them over and over how it's done, and get the food/treats out for them. ahhhh...my cats are way smarter than their human. The cats are probably laughing inside, on how easy I am.)
Also, maybe trying some of those 'online licky mats'...or other online products...which could 'slow down a cat's eating'.
**Google:..."how to slow down a cat that eats too fast"...and you will get a lot of suggestions.
*Is the food that you are feeding Meimey...also been changed from her usual food?
She might be having some sort of 'sensitivity'...or slight allergic reaction to something in the food, too.
And check any of the food, in case they made some 'ingredient changes', or 'supply chain changes'..from where they source their products. If it's the same food, but a 'new batch'...then sometimes even 'small changes' are totally noticed by our cats.
Check for recalls on any batches.
Sometimes a food will go bad, once in the fridge,...I've seen that happen.
Or or with dry food, if it's left in a bag, and not in one of those see through, sealed containers, where heat, or moisture, humidity, can affect it..it could also go bad.
Even some you buy from the store, and open them, will sometimes have an awful smell, and then you know that it must have been bad to start off with.
Thankfully, this happens rarely, but still it does happen.
(same with food for us humans, too, since we really don't know how long they froze it, or let it sit on a shelf. Sure, they put on a date, but sometimes it goes bad fast.)
Members, here, have mentioned this site, for some more useful info to read:
Feeding Your Cat: Know the Basics of Feline Nutrition – Common Sense. Healthy Cats.
(I've only browsed it, so cannot really say.)
Thank you so much Nan68 . This is very helpful info to know.
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blumarine916 ..maybe there is a substitute version in Malaysia, which would be lesser in cost, too,..so you would not have to import so far.
Vetoquinol Epakitin: Buy Online in Malaysia at desertcart
Yes she was at the clinic where the vet gave her too much SubQ fluids (300ml a day!) to the point that she can’t even eat. Now that she’s home all week I’ve been giving the SubQ myself and reduced it to 100ml a day. She’s doing great so far, eating normally too. I’m so relieved for that.Did you vet give her subcutaneous fluids? It is done via IV. I had 2 kidney disease cats that I gave the fluids myself. I have another that hasnt gotten to that point yet. I would give it a little time for her to perk up. My cats did better on the fluids and with their CKD diet.
HiiHow is your Meffy doing, blumarine916 ?
Still sending Mega Health Thoughts for your Meffy.
I Hope she is doing well.
Wow, that sounds great.!Hii
She’s doing pretty well. She’s got her energy back and is chasing Meimey around now.
Hmm...and you've tried all the 'usual tricks'...of placing the water...in different bowls, dishes, throughout the home.Her appetite is also normal but I can‘t seem to get her to drink water.
Lol.. now that is a positive.She’s also used to the daily fluid treatment by now and voluntarily with a reluctant face lol. So I don’t have to chase her around the house.
Hmm...this website...says to try putting it into a syringe...with some water to mix it...into a suspension...and then squirt it immediately...after eating.I tried putting Epatikin in her food but she seems to notice it. Hm…
I would not let your Meimey eat the phosphorus binder.I have managed to "sneak in" some of the phos binder into her food at least one meal a day. Will it be a problem if the other cat eats this too? They don't always finish their food at one go so sometimes my other cat also eats from the same bowl. I feel them together but still in the same location.
Is there any way that you can get a second opinion from a different Vet?Now that Meffy is no longer in crisis mode, how do I know if I can reduce her fluids? Or maybe skip a day? I've been giving her 100ml everyday without fail for about a month now. Sometimes the amount is lesser because she's squirmy and manage to escape halfway. If she escapes too early, I have to poke her again. I try to make it to at least 50ml. I always get so paranoid like she's just going to faint if don't give enough or if I try to skip a day but I'm really that worried. The vet that I sent her last month wasn't helpful as they told me Meffy would probably live a month I don't want to believe that as I believe this fluid treatment really helped.
Yes I do it with the tenting then poke between. I’m just concern that her skin would be badly scarred with this as time goes by.You answered your own question about the needles. The catch, even with cats, is that any of the smaller needles flow so slowly that it becomes more stressful. I always used 18G personally. There is a 20G which might flow a little faster, although I always found that one to be much slower than 18. I have never had an animal get an infection from doing subQ fluids. You were shown how to do this with tenting the skin, etc?
Take a look at the food options on this web site (link below) - these are commercial foods that are lower in phosphorus, which is the intent with the prescription foods. When you get a chance, spend some time looking around the entire web site - a wealth of information for those of us who have CKD cats.Are there other options if they simply will not eat the prescription food?
Jessie (age 7, female) was diagnosed with CKD about 6 months ago. She went in for a routine appointment and ended up having labwork because she'd lost weight. So far her numbers have been in the 'high normal' range. We switched her to prescription food and she hated it. She reluctantly ate the canned but refused to touch the dry. She wasn't getting enough calories no matter how much wet food I gave her. She lost weight and was starving all the time. The day she tried to climb into a hot frying pan to eat the butter I was melting was the day I said, "Enough is enough!" and switched her to Purina One Urinary Tract. She's been much happier and steadily gaining weight. Last week, she developed a bladder infection and had to spend two days in the hospital. She's recovering well and off all her meds. But now she doesn't want to eat the prescription wet food at all. Sigh! Her appetite is decent if I give her something other than the prescription food. She's got me at my wit's end! Are there other options if they simply will not eat the prescription food? It's so expensive that I can't keep buying it if she won't eat it. I've tried talking to the vet about it and they just keep saying that the prescription food is best. Yeah, I get that. But Jessie doesn't care! Lol.
Take a look at the food options on this web site (link below) - these are commercial foods that are lower in phosphorus, which is the intent with the prescription foods. When you get a chance, spend some time looking around the entire web site - a wealth of information for those of us who have CKD cats.
Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease- Canned Food Data USA (felinecrf.org)