Are my kittens getting on ok?

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I'll try and keep this short! We have 2 kittens, both 14 weeks but unrelated (this was unplanned, we got one and then happened to rescue another who was being neglected because we just couldn't leave him). 2 mlds, currently unneutered.

The neglected kitty needed lots of meds, so for first couple of weeks was completely quarantined. We then started slow introductions with the vets say so - meeting through bars, spending time in each other's spaces, sniffing through doors etc.

Now we have started to give them full contact short play sessions, which I think are going OK, but my boyfriend is flapping and worrying about!

They pounce on each other from first sight and wrestle almost continuously. It looks rough but is almost completely silent. One kitten is definitely a bit more boisterous than the other and doesn't seem to understand cat social cues about when is too much, so there can be a bit of hissing and squealing (from both) but not so I would worry.

They take it in turns being the 'hunter' although that again is slightly unfairly weighed towards the boisterous kitten.

Although the wrestling is near constant, if they are allowed a long time to play it does slow down (takes about 2hours!) Yesterday they even took a break together and ate food from bowls next to each other which I feel like they wouldn't do if they were too stressed or one felt bullied.

The calmer one does hide sometimes, hissing if the other cat gets too close to his hiding spot, but immediately pounces on him as soon as his back is turned. He often softly starts the play if the other one is bored.

My questions are then, is this normal? I'd say yes but my boyfriend is very worried about how rough they play (it does look awful sometimes, but again silent) and how relentless it is. He says he's concerned the calmer kitten won't be able to get away if it's too much for him. Valid concerns, but it doesn't seem that bad to me. He has his safe places and is immediately OK whether the play stops or if they are separated. No indication of stress. I am concerned that the more boisterous kitty doesn't seem to know when to stop however. He suckles still too so I feel was inadequately socialised.

My boyfriend separates them sometimes and not others. I've said that it will just seem arbitrary to the cats and they won't be learning anything. I think we should let them at it for an entire evening to start, give them more space and time. I feel like right now every time they see each other is a novelty so are going in all guns blazing.

What are your thoughts? And how best to integrate when one is undersocialised?
 

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It does sound normal to me too, I have two year old siblings that sound like they are really going at it but seek each other out for this rough housing. I would give them plenty of toys to interact with, treats to distract them at times, and I would intervene if the play gets too rough. I just yell NO loudly now and the underdog runs towards me and the bully slinks off.  Grab the bully by the skin on the back of the neck like mama would do, hold him still for a few seconds and tell him no, he will learn quickly. No physical punishment, which doesn't work on cats, or it will just make him scared of you. Your underdog definitely needs his safe places, preferably high up, that he can retreat to. As long as there is no true bites and scratches that are drawing blood, I think they are just playing rough like kittens do. I would let them have more time together to see if they calm down, but be ready to step in if the little one gets too beat up. All the luck! 
 
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Thank you for you feedback! There has been no blood or marks left from scratches. Bites look really rough but rarely result in a noise from either.

I'm going to pop into a shop on the way home tonight. The other day they were selling this crazy ball feather string toy which whizzes round on their own. Neither of them have seen it before so I think it'll do a good job of distracting them. At the moment toys will distract one at a time which really just allows the other one to pounce [emoji]128584[/emoji]

One question, they get fed at 6pm pretty much on the dot because that's when I get home. Their bowls are currently in separate rooms. Would there be any benefit in putting their bowls in the same room (spaced far apart) to get them used to each other just doing normal things? I don't want to mess with their territory, but maybe it'll plant the seed that they're not in competition for resources?
 

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It sounds perfectly normal to me.  Kittens (and adult cats for that matter) play and wrestle and fight.  Kittens do it as practice for "the hunt."  They are predators, after all.

Definitely let them eat in the same room.  They will associate good feelings with each other because they like eating.
 
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So this evening I gave them food together and it definitely softened the blow of meeting. Neither of them ate fully though as they are too busy playing.

It was a calmer playtime because I spent the whole time involved, throwing balls and shining laser pens! The smaller one started to seem less keen after 2 hours of rough play so I've separated them for a while to hopefully rest up and eat something!

Separated, they are both meowing and doing that curious chirp thing cats do wanting me to open the door. Is this good do you think? "Where's the other cat?" but not in a let me at him or please hide me sort of way. If one was feeling stressed would they keep quiet and make use of the peace?
 
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I took a couple of quick vids. Is this ok if it is *constant*?



 

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You need to get them fixed. You have two un-neutered males! They are old enough to be fixed & you don't want to wait until they start spraying their territory.
 
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I mistyped sorry, they are 12 weeks. I understand I need to get them fixed but the youngest vets here will do them is 4 months. That's not until December 13th unfortunately.
 

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Young males play rough. A lot. So that's normal! The only time to worry is if one cat is trying to escape and the other isn't letting him, or it seems like one is being bullied in some other way. But if it's all mutual you don't eed to worry no matter how rough they get.
 

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That is all completely normal!  In fact, it's tame compared to how Connor and Murphy wrestled when they were that age.  And they came from the same litter.

They're friends.  I wouldn't even keep them separated anymore, but you should do what you think is best.  We got a new cat a couple of weeks ago - Mickey.  When Connor and Murphy started wrestling around and "fighting" with him, I knew they'd accepted him as their new brother.  Before that, they would hiss if he even came into their sight and they wouldn't have anything to do with him.  If I was petting or holding Mickey, they wouldn't come to me until he went somewhere else.

Then, one night, Mickey joined Connor and Murphy in their nightly "run around the house, tackle each other, and fight like lunatics" routine.  Since then, there hasn't been any more growling or hissing and they'll all 3 snuggle with me at the same time.
 

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I mistyped sorry, they are 12 weeks. I understand I need to get them fixed but the youngest vets here will do them is 4 months. That's not until December 13th unfortunately.
That's not so far off. Once they're fixed, they will calm down some. The video playing seems fine to me.
 
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Thank you for all your words of wisdom! Seems we have success. I opened the door at night so they woke up this morning both with free reign.

They have been rumbling around all day together but it's a much more level playing field. They've been quiet as anything. I just came upstairs to find them and they're napping. Not together, but only half a metre apart.

I put two bowls of food down and they shared from the same one at the same time. So must be pretty comfortable!
 

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Thank you for all your words of wisdom! Seems we have success. I opened the door at night so they woke up this morning both with free reign.

They have been rumbling around all day together but it's a much more level playing field. They've been quiet as anything. I just came upstairs to find them and they're napping. Not together, but only half a metre apart.

I put two bowls of food down and they shared from the same one at the same time. So must be pretty comfortable!
That's major if they ate from the same bowl.
 
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