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I have rescued a 3 year old cat named Marisa that has been through a heck of a time.

This is her background.

She is a suffolk brown that was raised by her parent cat in the care of a breeder. She was most definitely handled until she was the age of 5 months old. She then went to live with a lady along with a sister cat. The lady that took her on clearly has mental heath problems and could not care responsibly for the girls. I found out that Maria's sister had been taken into a rescue centre and re-homed.
Poor Marisa had not been spade and had already had two litters of kittens. When my partner and i arrived to pick her up, there were tom cats in the garden waiting for Marisa and she was clearly very nervous. She had obviously been pursued a lot and was living in a state of stress.
I believe that Marisa and her owner had not bonded for some reason and it would appear that she hadn't really been handled since she had lived with her breeder. When the owner picked her up to put her in the carrier she hissed at her and I sensed little affection between them.
The suffolk brown breed is an off shoot of the Havana brown and this breed is usually incredibly affectionate so I knew that poor Marisa had been neglected.
We took Marisa home and she had her own room with a cardboard box hide out. I have put a Feliway diffuser in her room, which I believe is helping.
She eats well and uses her litter tray marvelously. She has obvious issues surrounding food as she eats all her food within a couple of minutes, which I think is down to the fact that Marisa has had to scavenge often for her food. She is such a scavenger that we have to hide our bins in our conservatory when we go out or she tips them over to scavenge! It's an ingrained habit!
Marisa hides all day long in her safe box in her room but comes downstairs every evening when my 6 year old goes to bed. Initially she would play with me using the wand but now no longer seems to want to.
I cannot touch Marisa but she has taken treats from my hand (although this has stopped now and she prefers to use her paw to knock them out my hand!). She explores the house fully and plays when we have all gone to bed. She comes into our bedroom at night to check on us but doesn't stay and leaves. One night however I felt her tip toe across me and sniff my face! I was quite scared at the time but so pleased she felt confident enough to do that.
I guess I'm looking for encouragement really. I feel like Marisa made some real progress in gaining confidence in us over the last few weeks but recently I feel like she has gone backwards.
I must add the poor girl has been through a lot since we've had her ( nearly 5 weeks now). We had her spade, she's had blood tests and her inoculations. She had to wear one of those horrible cones on her head which must have been awful for her. She also knocked her eye on one of our cacti, that has healed now but can't have been pleasant for her!
I have had havanas since I was a child and know that they can be so sensitive but by the same token are ridiculously affectionate! When we took on Marisa, I knew that I was taking on a wait and see approach as I knew that she would be nervous, I just didn't know how nervous and traumatised she really was.
I worry that we are not the right family for her with a 6 year old child. She previously lived with a quiet older lady.
I'm just looking for a bit of reassurance that there is hope with Marisa. I'm not too sure which approach to take with her. I read advice saying let her come to you but by the same token when reading about ferals it would seem that you need a more structured approach.
Any advice would be welcomed! Thank you all so much.
I know Marisa isn't feral but feel like she has lost a lot of her 'social' skills having been neglected since she was 5 months old.
She is a hisser and hisses if I get too close to her or she gets too close to me!
Only one time did I feel she may 'attack' me. I was playing with her with the wand and giving her treats after. Like I said she is quite obsessed with food and tried to bully me into giving her more treats. I felt the mood change and she stalked me and her eyes fixed on my hands then ankles. I calmly said 'I won't play if you don't behave Marisa' and left the room. Since I've stopped giving treats after play, she won't play anymore.
Anyhow, I hope you get the gist of where I'm coming from and give me a bit of encouragement.
I so loved both my havanas, we were best buddies. It took me 5 years to get another cat after the loss of my last fella and I feel quite sad that I may never have that close relationship with Marisa.
Thank you everybody 😊
 

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Welcome to The Cat Site! Thank you for rescuing Marisa and giving her a loving home. Believe me, she thinks she is in heaven. What you are seeing are all those outlying issues that she developed in the course of what sounds like a pretty rotten previous life. Bad owner, enough to hiss at which could be a red flag all of its own, tom cats all around, two litters in three years, not fed enough. It does not get much worse unless you enter the realm of true physical abuse.

You are right to apply feral guidelines to her, only because they will probably be useful. She is not feral though, so the adjustment should not be that steep a slope.
10 Must-know Tips For Happy Living With A Shy Cat – TheCatSite Articles
How To Help An Abused Cat Recover – TheCatSite Articles
6 Steps to Taming a Semi-Feral Cat
How to Socialize Very Shy or Fearful Cats

Let her set the tone with you. Sit near her and don't try to touch her; read, talk outloud, don't make eye contact at first. Keep offering her treats from your hand after you play, but if she does bite or attack, get up and walk away. She will start to see a pattern. (If you feel that you need to protect your hand, gardening gloves will usually do.) She may have connected food and play, especially since she is food motivated. She is figuring things out on her own which is why she comes into your room at night and explores.

This can take a while, but she will come around, maybe sooner than you think.
 

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Thank you for giving Marisa a loving home. You've got excellent advice from fionasmom fionasmom the only other thing I think I can add is don't worry about her previous owner being old and you having a child of 6. My daughter took in a semi ferral and she has 3 kid's, at the time they were 12,6 and 7. She's had him about a year now and that cat loves those kid's he used to be terrified of the younger two, but it's amazing how fast they get used to kid's running round and noise. He lived with a single guy and spent most of his time outside before my daughter took him in.
 
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Welcome to The Cat Site! Thank you for rescuing Marisa and giving her a loving home. Believe me, she thinks she is in heaven. What you are seeing are all those outlying issues that she developed in the course of what sounds like a pretty rotten previous life. Bad owner, enough to hiss at which could be a red flag all of its own, tom cats all around, two litters in three years, not fed enough. It does not get much worse unless you enter the realm of true physical abuse.

You are right to apply feral guidelines to her, only because they will probably be useful. She is not feral though, so the adjustment should not be that steep a slope.
10 Must-know Tips For Happy Living With A Shy Cat – TheCatSite Articles
How To Help An Abused Cat Recover – TheCatSite Articles
6 Steps to Taming a Semi-Feral Cat
How to Socialize Very Shy or Fearful Cats

Let her set the tone with you. Sit near her and don't try to touch her; read, talk outloud, don't make eye contact at first. Keep offering her treats from your hand after you play, but if she does bite or attack, get up and walk away. She will start to see a pattern. (If you feel that you need to protect your hand, gardening gloves will usually do.) She may have connected food and play, especially since she is food motivated. She is figuring things out on her own which is why she comes into your room at night and explores.

This can take a while, but she will come around, maybe sooner than you think.
Hi Fiona's mum, thank you so much for replying to me. I'm sorry, my original post was a bit of an essay and I forgot to introduce myself and say hello at the beginning!

Thank you for the links and general all round advice and encouragement!
Last night I left some treats underneath the table that she likes to hide under when she comes downstairs at night after my son has gone to bed. When she came down, I left her alone for around 10 mins and then got the wand and initiated play and she wanted to play again! I was so happy. She seemed much more confident and excited to play. I played with her for about 15 mins (didn't want to push it) and left some treats under the table when we finished, left the room and sat down to watch some TV and she didn't harrass me for more but just continued to explore downstairs. She even played by herself for a little while in the other room.

I heard her come into the bedroom as ever last night while we slept but she didn't come on to the bed. So looking forward tp her having the confidence to do that again.

Once again, thank you for the encouragement.

I'm getting nervous as Marisa has to go back to the vet tomorrow for her second set of innoculations! She has come so far that I know that it is going to set her back a little but it is a necessary evil :-(

Marisa spent a lot of time outdoors in her previous home. I would love for her to be able to go out again at some point in the future but am wondering when the best time would be to start thinking about that? It is not currently possible as she does not come down stairs during the day so I cannot let her out. She has been with us for 5 weeks so would she know that this is her home now?

Many thanks again for the advice!
Louise xx
 
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Thank you for giving Marisa a loving home. You've got excellent advice from fionasmom fionasmom the only other thing I think I can add is don't worry about her previous owner being old and you having a child of 6. My daughter took in a semi ferral and she has 3 kid's, at the time they were 12,6 and 7. She's had him about a year now and that cat loves those kid's he used to be terrified of the younger two, but it's amazing how fast they get used to kid's running round and noise. He lived with a single guy and spent most of his time outside before my daughter took him in.
Hi Tik Cat's mum!

Thank you for reading the essay that I wrote and taking the time to reply, I really appreciate it!
So pleased to hear that your daughter's semi-feral cat managed to adapt to a home with three children after having lived with a single man, that really gives me hope!

My son has been keeping the noise down as much as possible because of Marisa but he is a typical boy and also still has the odd tantrum so the house is not as quiet as she is probably used to!

Once again thank you for giving me hope :-)

Louise xx
 

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There may be a small setback when you go to the vet, but just proceed as you have before and she should start to figure out that her life has a pattern, she always returns home, and that things are stable.

I would not let her out during any sort of adjustment period. Having said that, unless you have a very secure back yard area or can supervise her (harness and leash training might not be a good idea yet), we always recommend that pet cats be indoor only. This is certainly up to you, but I would not give her access yet. She may not want to go out; that also happens with rescues who had a hard time in their previous life.

She is going to be a wonderful pet as she continues to adjust.
 
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There may be a small setback when you go to the vet, but just proceed as you have before and she should start to figure out that her life has a pattern, she always returns home, and that things are stable.

I would not let her out during any sort of adjustment period. Having said that, unless you have a very secure back yard area or can supervise her (harness and leash training might not be a good idea yet), we always recommend that pet cats be indoor only. This is certainly up to you, but I would not give her access yet. She may not want to go out; that also happens with rescues who had a hard time in their previous life.

She is going to be a wonderful pet as she continues to adjust.
Thank you for the advice. She went to the vets today and is currently sulking under a chest of drawers. A treat did tempt her out though. Like you say, this will be a temporary setback hopefully and you'll come in in leaps and bounds.

Once again thank you.

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Hi all

Just a quick update with Marisa.

She let me pet her this morning! 6.5 weeks since she arrived 😊

Yesterday she rubbed against me very briefly while I was feeding her breakfast and only hissed once, which was a major breakthrough! Then today she came up to me between food (she has wet food first of all and then a little dry) and rubbed against me and something told me I could touch her (which I have never been able to do) so I did and she responded positively (more rubs and some head butts). I was able to stroke the whole of her body and head! It was amazing, I couldn't believe my luck! She could barely eat and was choosing to allow me to pet her over food!
To say I'm delighted is an understatement! I'm so excited for the next rub I can barely contain myself! 😂 Roll on tomorrow morning!
My 6 year old came downstairs as this was happening so she scarpered back upstairs 😭 but I'm so looking forward to tomorrow and am going to try and get another scritch in with her today if I can!
Thanks guys!

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Thank you for letting us know! This is great news and she will continue to progress from here. She now understands that she is safe and cared for with you.
 
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Thank you both!

However, two steps forward and one step back, it would seem, as is with undersocialised cats! Marisa allowed me to stroke her yesterday but gave me a couple of warning nips and today she decided that she didn't want to be petted too much at all! I managed to sneak in some strokes while she was eating her breakfast but that is all she seems to tolerate.

I'm starting to think that she gets very overstimulated and overwhelmed very easily as she was the same with play. When I first started to play with her she would play for quite a while and gradually this reduced. Now if I get the wand out, she runs off in the other direction :-(

Marisa has been blinking at me however and seems to enjoy my company from a distance. She likes to sit close by me but not on me.

I really hope that Marisa will continue to allow me to pet her in small doses even if she does not become a lap cat.

Thanks all!

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This is not uncommon in cats. Some tolerate more touching than others, some in certain places on their body, some at certain times and locations. There may be a pattern to what Marisa is showing. She is showing you that she does like and trust you, but wants her space. Marisa had a rough start and that is playing into a lot of what you are seeing.
 
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Quick update

Marisa has really come on in the last couple of days since she took a little step backwards :-)
She now allows me to stroke her again and she is interested in playing again. She even stayed downstairs to play for a little while, while my 6 year old son was in the living room. She also allowed my partner to stroke her this morning!

She is still very nervous and skittish and hides most of the day upstairs but is readily coming out of her shell on her terms :-)
One last major breakthrough... She even slept on our bed last night with me for a little while my partner was still downstairs. She scarpered when he came up, but this was still HUGE!!

Onwards and upwards with this little lady. She is still hisses at us all but this is less so and I am so hopeful that it is going to work just fine with her in the long term :-)

Thank you for continued encouragement XX
 

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This is great news! With a cat like Marisa who has had a rough background, the progress is never in a straight line. She is figuring out that she can trust you more and more, but in her little cat mind she does not want to move too quickly and end up getting an unpleasant surprise. The fact that she has found the bed and tried out sleeping on it is a very good sign and she had to seek you out to do that.
 
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This is great news! With a cat like Marisa who has had a rough background, the progress is never in a straight line. She is figuring out that she can trust you more and more, but in her little cat mind she does not want to move too quickly and end up getting an unpleasant surprise. The fact that she has found the bed and tried out sleeping on it is a very good sign and she had to seek you out to do that.
Hi Fionasmum!

Marisa is continuing to come on in leaps and bounds 😊
She is now letting me pick her up and put her on my lap albeit just for a minute or two and is regularly sitting near me and wanting attention from me!

Apparently she slept on our bed last night next to my other half, which again was another breakthrough!

She is doing so well I'm considering bringing in a second cat into the fold but wanted your advice as to whether it is too early to interrupt her progress?

I'll attach a picture of two of Marisa for your enjoyment 😊

Thank you so much

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Yes, she is definitely deciding that this is her home and she wants to live like the other half. She is a gorgeous girl and looks so happy to have found you. Personally, which means you don't have to agree, I would wait a while before getting another cat, just to give her time to adjust. This doesn't mean years, but enough time so that she really understands that this is her home and she is not being displaced. The article talks about some considerations for choosing another cat. If you decide to, or when you do, we have several articles on introducing cats which can be a huge part of making this work. Jackson Galaxy also addresses this in his articles and videos. Do you have another cat in mind? Please keep us posted as to how Marisa settles in!

Your Second Cat: How To Choose The Best Friend For Kitty – TheCatSite Articles
 
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Yes, she is definitely deciding that this is her home and she wants to live like the other half. She is a gorgeous girl and looks so happy to have found you. Personally, which means you don't have to agree, I would wait a while before getting another cat, just to give her time to adjust. This doesn't mean years, but enough time so that she really understands that this is her home and she is not being displaced. The article talks about some considerations for choosing another cat. If you decide to, or when you do, we have several articles on introducing cats which can be a huge part of making this work. Jackson Galaxy also addresses this in his articles and videos. Do you have another cat in mind? Please keep us posted as to how Marisa settles in!

Your Second Cat: How To Choose The Best Friend For Kitty – TheCatSite Articles
Hi Fionasmum, thank you as ever for getting back to me.
You are right about not bringing another cat in just yet, we knew in our hearts that she needed more time to adjust and grow in her new environment.
I got excited because I saw an advert online for a havana brown kitten needing a new home because the owners are moving abroad. The kitty is a gentle six month old female named coco! (my very first havana we named coco mouse so it felt like the ad spoke to me!) but really I knew in my heart it wasn't the right time for Marisa. Not to worry, I just want Marisa to have her time, no stress, no worries. She deserves that.
Thank you for the links 😊

Louise Xx
 
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