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post #31 of 53
That is unfortunately not true. Smallpox vaccinations that were given in your childhood are no longer active.
post #32 of 53
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Originally Posted by jaycee View Post
the only human vaccine i know of that declines over time is tetanus, and thats after 10 years minimum. all the ones (hepatitas, polio, mmr, etc) are good for life after you get the three boosters or whatever
Apparently there's some controversy over this. We really don't know how long these vaccines are good for. It's not known (but hotly debated) how long the memory cells that allow a quick immune response can live.
post #33 of 53
The information I posted is from my vet. I have no explanation for the discrepancy and I don't know who is the manufacturer of the vaccine she uses. Perhaps it's the difference between the killed-virus type vaccine and the live-virus type vaccine. What I've read elsewhere online is that the one and three-year vaccines are the same, and that the difference was just the certification (which agrees with what has been said here.) So I'm still as confused or more so than anyone else. A definitive answer from an authoritative source would be welcome. I don't have any reason to doubt that my vet knows what she's talking about, and she has no reason to lie to me (I don't think.) But she's only human, so.......
post #34 of 53
OK, I think I've got this straight, now, after calling my vet again. She uses PureVax by Merial, which is a live-virus vaccine. The one-year and three-year vaccines are NOT the same; however, the difference is not the amount of virus in the vaccine, it's that the three-year vaccine is a killed-virus vaccine and it has an added "adjuvant" (sp?) which is an agent that causes the vaccine to remain in the skin for a longer period of time, which gives it the longer protection. And it's this added adjuvant and the longer duration in the skin that causes the added risk of vaccine-induced sarcoma with the three-year vaccine.

They weren't familiar with the Fort Dodge vaccine mentioned in an earlier post, so weren't able to compare the two.

Regardless of vaccine type, it's the certification that the law requires here. If you have a three-year certification you can go three years between rabies vaccinations. If you have a one-year certification and go beyond the one year, then you're in trouble if your cat bites someone, and also you can't get a cat licensed.

I choose to get rabies vaccination yearly because of the lower risk of sarcoma.

PS - sorry for the incorrect information posted earlier about the dosage; that's the way I understood my vet's explanation at the time.
post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
Farnem I think is the common one .. Ft Dodge is usually livestock but I will be verifing
fort dodge is very commonly used in cats and dogs, its the most common one known of at the dog forum i belong to (dog.com)
post #36 of 53
Jennifer,
Fort Dodge is a common maker of vaccines for cats and dogs, another common brand is/was Eclipse (from the days when I did my own vaccinations). Just checked..yup..fel-o-vax which is what the animal hospital I worked at years ago used, is made by Fort Dodge:

http://www.revivalanimal.com/categor...ine%20Vaccines
post #37 of 53
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Originally Posted by Pat & Alix View Post
Jennifer,
Fort Dodge is a common maker of vaccines for cats and dogs, another common brand is/was Eclipse (from the days when I did my own vaccinations). Just checked..yup..fel-o-vax which is what the animal hospital I worked at years ago used, is made by Fort Dodge:

http://www.revivalanimal.com/categor...ine%20Vaccines
my kitten was given 3 rounds of eclipse4 at the pound, what is in that?

she also received NFVRCP?

she was given all of that by the time she was 8 weeks old, i hope that isnt all vaccines.
post #38 of 53
wow i just clicked on your link and saw the eclipse 4...... thats a LOT of vaccines to pack into all at once. and 3 round of it by 8 weeks..... isnt that waaaay too much too soon?

she was born on may 30th

on june 20th this note was added to her chart: Ec4/NFVRCP wormed

on july 6th she got another eclipse 4, wormed again, and had advantage applied

on july 27th she got another eclipse 4 and wormed again
post #39 of 53
My understanding of proper vaccine protocol was to begin at about 8 weeks...just looked up Alix - she had 3 sets of what I call upper resp vaccines (for panleukopenia, rhinotracheitis and calicivirus) at 8, 11 and 15 weeks. Here is a suggested schedule (though for the record, I personally came to believe the felv vaccine was not one I wanted to use and stopped using it years ago):
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=86

Of course they say this is just a guide, and it may be affected both by health of the cat, likelihood of exposure and other factors.
post #40 of 53
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Originally Posted by Pat & Alix View Post
Jennifer,
Fort Dodge is a common maker of vaccines for cats and dogs, another common brand is/was Eclipse (from the days when I did my own vaccinations). Just checked..yup..fel-o-vax which is what the animal hospital I worked at years ago used, is made by Fort Dodge:

http://www.revivalanimal.com/categor...ine%20Vaccines
Pat
Thank you ... You can see I havent studied up about vacs...
post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
Pat
Thank you ... You can see I havent studied up about vacs...
I had to when I was doing my own But's it has been a bit so was glad I could find the info (I love the internet! a library of books/articles/and catalogs at my fingertips!)
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by Pat & Alix View Post
My understanding of proper vaccine protocol was to begin at about 8 weeks...just looked up Alix - she had 3 sets of what I call upper resp vaccines (for panleukopenia, rhinotracheitis and calicivirus) at 8, 11 and 15 weeks. Here is a suggested schedule (though for the record, I personally came to believe the felv vaccine was not one I wanted to use and stopped using it years ago):
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/pic/article.cfm?aid=86

Of course they say this is just a guide, and it may be affected both by health of the cat, likelihood of exposure and other factors.

i have looked up the vac schedule for kittens too and obviously she was given everything too early, what im wondering is, is she at risk of being harmed by this? the very earliest a kitten should receive the first set of vacs is 6 weeks and thats only if the mother isnt up to date on vaccines or if the kitten isnt nursing. my kitten was given the first set at just 3 weeks, the 2nd set 2 weeks after that, and the 3rd set 3 weeks after that. im worried if this will affect her long term?
post #43 of 53
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Originally Posted by jaycee View Post
i have looked up the vac schedule for kittens too and obviously she was given everything too early, what im wondering is, is she at risk of being harmed by this? the very earliest a kitten should receive the first set of vacs is 6 weeks and thats only if the mother isnt up to date on vaccines or if the kitten isnt nursing. my kitten was given the first set at just 3 weeks, the 2nd set 2 weeks after that, and the 3rd set 3 weeks after that. im worried if this will affect her long term?
I can't say as I'm not a vet or a vet tech. I think my one concern would be if the early vaccine just wasn't effective, that she be adequately vaccinated for this first year.

You might want to get a second opinion with another vet?
post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by Pat & Alix View Post
I can't say as I'm not a vet or a vet tech. I think my one concern would be if the early vaccine just wasn't effective, that she be adequately vaccinated for this first year.

You might want to get a second opinion with another vet?
i might.... but as far as vaccination goes, i trust the opinions i get from forums like this one or internet pages over the opinions of vets. ill ask anyway just to see what they say.
post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by jaycee View Post
i might.... but as far as vaccination goes, i trust the opinions i get from forums like this one or internet pages over the opinions of vets. ill ask anyway just to see what they say.
You need to to find a vet your comfortable with... In my little area I switched four times in three years to find one I like and the animals like... Vets are good for info then you can research but I think you need another vet... One you can trust what they say ...
post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by sharky View Post
You need to to find a vet your comfortable with... In my little area I switched four times in three years to find one I like and the animals like... Vets are good for info then you can research but I think you need another vet... One you can trust what they say ...
when it comes to diet and vaccines, i probably wouldnt trust any vet. i just dont think they even try to educate themselves properly or have an open mind when it comes to these things. if my cat was ill or injured, thats when i would seek a vet. sorry, dont mean to offend anyone. someone suggested giving my kitten thuja. aparently its a vaccine detox. any opinions on this?
post #47 of 53
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Originally Posted by jaycee View Post
when it comes to diet and vaccines, i probably wouldnt trust any vet. i just dont think they even try to educate themselves properly or have an open mind when it comes to these things. if my cat was ill or injured, thats when i would seek a vet. sorry, dont mean to offend anyone. someone suggested giving my kitten thuja. aparently its a vaccine detox. any opinions on this?
I don't know what part of WA state you are in, but there are some excellent vets in this state, and holistic vets. I'd not give a ***thing*** without consulting a holistic vet - I once listened to a very intelligent, seemingly knew what they were talking about friend tell me to use Ovaban on a cat. Biggest mistake I could have made, it is probably the reason this cat developed pyometra, as that is one of the known possible side effects. Find yourself a vet you can trust, or two - one traditional, one holistic and bring them up to date on the vaccines given etc. to this kitten.
post #48 of 53
im in kitsap county, if you know of one (a good vet) there.
as far as i can tell, all they care about is $$$$$$$$
just like people doctors.
post #49 of 53
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Originally Posted by jaycee View Post
im in kitsap county, if you know of one (a good vet) there.
as far as i can tell, all they care about is $$$$$$$$
just like people doctors.
I know of a great practice in Lakewood - about 15 minutes from the Tacoma Narrows bridge..not exactly a help to you! Though I drive over 30 minutes to get to them, they are worth it.

I know there are other WA state members here - perhaps start a new thread with the subject "looking for good vet in WA state"
post #50 of 53
well i took kya in for a check up today and the vet said he doesnt think she will have any problems from getting all those vaccines so early and suggested that i wait one more week and then bring her in for yet another round of vaccines since the first round may not have taken and of course i said no i will not be doing that and he was fine with it. i like the vet himself ok enough i guess (this is a new one i tried) but the nurse reeked of cigarette smoke and tried to force the thermometer into kyas little butt without putting any lubricant on it so i will not be going back there again. sorry if i pushed the thread way off topic.
post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by jaycee View Post
im in kitsap county, if you know of one (a good vet) there.
as far as i can tell, all they care about is $$$$$$$$
just like people doctors.
If that's all they care about, then why don't I get paid as much as an RN?

Anyways, as far as the "nurse" you seen, smelling of smoke isn't very professional, and taking a temp without any lube is a little unnecessary. If you felt comfortable with the doctor, I would stick with him, just request another staff member next time (or voice your concern to the owner).
post #52 of 53
btw the rabies vaccine manufactured by Meria also has no difference between the one year and three year. its just however often the state law thinks it should be administered.
post #53 of 53
The PureVax feline vaccine is only labeled for annual administration.
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