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post #31 of 54
If she just had a litter and is pregnant again, that is way too hard on her body/system. I'd talk to the vet about getting her spayed and not letting her have the 2nd litter too close. It will cost more for the spay if she is pregnant, but it would be healthier.

Just neutered males can get females pregnant about 30 days after neutering - he sounds like he had his "last" shot at fatherhood!
post #32 of 54
i'm not going to get her spayed because she is like 7 weeks preg. i'll get her spayed when the next one is weaned.
post #33 of 54
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Originally Posted by JESSIEnKITTY
i'm not going to get her spayed because she is like 7 weeks preg. i'll get her spayed when the next one is weaned.
Jessie...just prepare yourself if these kittens aren't as healthy as her last litter due to being so close to the last litter. I hope all goes well.

Katie
post #34 of 54
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Originally Posted by Kinsey's Pet
I dont understand. Why does she HAVE to get the cat spayed? I understand that it's bad that the litters are so close together but doesnt the fact that both the parens are purebred and papered have everything to do with it? Doesnt that mean she can sell the kittens for around $400? I know it wasnt intentional and all but other than the fact that the litters are too close together what would be wrong with her being pregnant?
If you know that "it is bad that the litters are so close together" but the fact that they are papered and purebred and they can be sold for $400 makes you want to forget about the risk and go through with it anyway? So are you saying that putting the cats life at jeopardy to make a little extra money is a good idea? Sorry if I misunderstood you but that is what it sounded like. That is why it is recommended to spay the cat, because of two litters so close together, it is a big risk on all their lives for a cat to have such close litters. Breeders are not breeding to make money either. They don't make money, with all the vet bills and upkeep of their cattery.
post #35 of 54
Does the vet have access to an ultrasound? Pregnancy can be confirmed with US a lot sooner as compared to radiographs.

I would definitely talk it over with your vet a little more. The main complications with a pregnant mom is the fact that there tends to be a larger blood supply to the uterus, which causes more blood loss. However, as long as she is adequately monitored and given fluids to help boost blood pressure, she should do fine. They can also spay her if she is not fully dried up, but that is a personal choice on whether they feel comfortable or not.

A lot of it depends on what the vet is comfortable or uncomfortable to do.

Good luck!
post #36 of 54
Wow, she had a huge litter, didn't she. That alone would probably take a lot out of her healthwise, if she's pregnant again. I hope she's not, because I'd hate to see her life at risk. Did you get breeding rights with her or the father? I would assume you didn't, as she does look like a pet quality Bengal. Even pet quality Bengal's are expensive. However, I don't know if you can give pedigree papers to the new owners of the kittens, if you don't have breeding rights. I would get her spayed as soon as it is safe for her to do so, because you don't want her going into heat again, even if she doesn't have access to an intact male.

As far as selling the kittens you already do have, I would certainly charge more than $25, because they are Bengals. I paid a huge amount of money for Simba and I didn't get breeding rights with him, but I did get his pedigree and papers.
post #37 of 54
Well whatever happens... good luck. I'm sending vibes for both your momma kitty and you
post #38 of 54
"As far as selling the kittens you already do have, I would certainly charge more than $25, because they are Bengals. I paid a huge amount of money for Simba and I didn't get breeding rights with him, but I did get his pedigree and papers."

The 25$ is to ensure that kitten dealers and hoarders and people who want bait for their pitbull don't get them. If you want to charge more, you could have them all spayed or neutered and charge the price of the operation and give them the vet records for it. These kittens are from an accidental breeding and the OP has no desire to make money from it, and good for her! Doing so would make her a backyard breeder, when she is someone who has an accidental pregnancy.

No one cat is worth more than any other cat. The purchase price may be different, but so are insurance adjustors values for people who have a college degree. We are talking about adopting out kittens from an accidental breeding. The fact that the mother and father of this breeding happen to be purebred is actually pretty irrelevant.
post #39 of 54
Sydney, talk to your vet. That is my advice. If you want to have her spayed fine, if you don't and you aren't comfortable with that, that is fine to, but the fact of the matter is, it is your opinion, your decision, and YOU have to live with the decision you make and no one else. So, with that said, do what is absolutely right in your heart. You have a beautiful baby and she has beautiful babies, but just let the decision be yours and yours alone because everyone has an opinion, but you will be the one to have to live with the choice
I'm also like the other girl. I truly wish you lived close to me because I'd sure take one, papered or not, that are georgous bambinos!
post #40 of 54
Thread Starter 
I guess some didnt see my recent reply, but im getting her spayed.

She is defintly pregnant, her stomach is getting bigger and bigger. I've tried the sock thing and the sock was too tight around her body.

I dont know what to do though,wait and let her milk dry up and take a chance with a late term spay, or dont let her milk dry up and take her in this week for a spay.

Im just not sure which to do.
The babies will be 9 week tomorow and they hardly nurse, but there are times she nurses all 7.

If it was your cat in this situation would you wait two more weeks for the milk to dry up and then have a poss late term spay/abortion, or dont let the milk dry up and take her in this week for spay?
post #41 of 54
This may not sit well with some here, but I do not believe it is ethical to spay/abort late term in a cat any more than it is in humans. If a cat is still early on in the term, then yes, fine, do it. But if she is more than 4 or 5 weeks maximum, then IMO, it is too late to do it and the pregnancy should be allowed to progress. That now being said, this thread is about Sydney and what ~she~ should do for her cat, not what I would do.

You do have a unique situation in that you have a litter of kittens already and allowing this pregnancy may put undue and unnecessary physical burden upon your girl. You should carefuly weigh your options, speak frankly and candidly with your vet and make the decision based on what is best for YOUR cat in YOUR home with YOUR circumstances. What others would do may not be in the best interest of your girl.
post #42 of 54
Thread Starter 
Ok thank you!

I just made her a spay appt for tomorow, Ill keep her there overnight just for the first night, i dont want the babies bugging her right after surgery.

Wish us luck!
post #43 of 54
my only thing would be to call your vet and see what they suggest. Some won't do a late spay and some won't spay while nursing. My vets won't spay while nursing since it makes the surgery harder, there is a higher chance for infection, and it can take longer for them to heal (think this was the 3rd reason she gave, but may be wrong on this one). So I say call and ask your vet what they suggest.
post #44 of 54
Someone said you would not get preggers yourself 2 months after just giving Birth.....In my case I did.lol. Just thought would share that lol.

IMO I would not get her sprayed. I have not got alot of experience in this I know but again just my opinion as she is so far on surgery or labour IMO not much of a dif........kittens die through this,may survive if born and mommy cat will have to heal after surgery just as after labour.

If worried about getting them rehomed then money is not an object as in kittens best intrest sell them cheaper etc.Not that you have made a point of saying anything about money(sorry)

Please dont take any of what I have said the wrong way.Not meant in bad way.

Love to all cats and cat owners.x
post #45 of 54
I would have her spayed too. And you've already decided to do so. I know she will be just fine after her surgery. A spay while pregnant is only slightly riskier due to increased blood flow to the area of the body, but if your vet has agreed to do one he knows what he's doing and can easily accomodate this. Thank you for having it done.

Are you going to be able to stay with the kittens the whole time she's gone for her surgery? I hope so! Make up some of those rice socks as has been suggested and get a little bit of KMR just in case they want to nurse a little in addition to their food. And settle in for a nice movie or something while the kittens crawl all over you. You'll have to help mama kitty once she comes back a little bit since she'll be sore, but she'll do just fine. Much better than she'd be able to do with so many kittens boom-boom after the other.

Best Wishes!
post #46 of 54
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Originally Posted by Jen
If you know that "it is bad that the litters are so close together" but the fact that they are papered and purebred and they can be sold for $400 makes you want to forget about the risk and go through with it anyway? So are you saying that putting the cats life at jeopardy to make a little extra money is a good idea? Sorry if I misunderstood you but that is what it sounded like. That is why it is recommended to spay the cat, because of two litters so close together, it is a big risk on all their lives for a cat to have such close litters. Breeders are not breeding to make money either. They don't make money, with all the vet bills and upkeep of their cattery.
I totally understand why its bad that she is pregnant so soon and why she should have kept them apart. i didnt understand why she HAD to spay the cat.
No you TOTALLY misunderstood me. I was saying that since she can sell the kittens for more money that it would be different than some mixbreed cat getting pregnant by who-knows-what kind of male cat. It wouldnt be like free or $10 kittens. To pay $300 and up someone would really have to want a cat. Its not like the kittens would be going to any stranger off the street with a five dollar bill. I wasnt even thinking about the profit. I was thinking about who would buy the kittens.

So are you guys saying that people should never breed their cats ever? Or just that she shouldnt since she doesnt have breeding rights?

I am honestly just curious about when its ok and when its not to breed a cat. (dont worry I am NOT considering breeding Kinsey)
post #47 of 54
Obviously as they both have pedigree parents they woudl be easier to sell, but they may still be unregistered without papers, which makes them no better than moggies. I think the only time cats should be bred is by reputable breeders who breed top quality cats who have been screened for health issues to better the breed, and improve things within the breed, or it shouldn't be done, as there are too many cats already needing homes. By breeding cats that are only pet quality, you aren't going to get top quality kittens, and there is also a risk of potential health probs in the future too.
post #48 of 54
The owners can register them though? If they have the papers for the mom and dad?
post #49 of 54
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Originally Posted by Telynn
The owners can register them though? If they have the papers for the mom and dad?
Not necessarily. Here in the UK you wouldnt be able to register them. Only cats that are on the active register are allowed to have their offspring registered. Kittens that are not sold specifically for breeding are placed on the non active register and any offspring cannot be registered. Cats can be moved from the non active register to the active register but only with the permission of the original breeder.
post #50 of 54
to be able to register the babies shouldnt she have purchased the breeding rights?
post #51 of 54
This was an accidental pregnancy, and the cat's owner doesn't want to be a breeder and doesn't want to purchase breeding rights. It's not just buying breeding rights, you have to buy breeding-quality cats, which are different than pet-quality cats. The op has pet-quality cats, who bred on accident, and had the girl spayed during the second pregnancy. She wasn't trying to breed, it wasn't planned, etc.
post #52 of 54
Ok. Yeah I wasnt really referring to the situation just the rules and stuff. I just wanted to understand this stuff. I am curious about the rules and guidelines for breeding. I realize it was an accident I just meant in order to sell the kittens with papers you must own the breeding rights for the parents correct?
I am not a breeder at all. I dont know anything about this stuff.
post #53 of 54
Yes, you must buy breeding rights and a breeding quality cat, and the breeder who sells them must know that you intend to have a breeding program. Responsible breeders spend years researching the breed, working with a mentor, showing (sometimes not showing), before they begin selling kittens-- and they never make a profit. If you want to know more about responsible breeding, the breeder's forum here is a good place to start and they are willing to answer any honest questions you have.
post #54 of 54
good luck with momma and btw the kittens u had ion that picture wer ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL u are so lucky
keep posted x
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