Open discussion for Breeders

jandkds · May 29, 2006

Zissou'sMom said:
Everyone who has a cat that is not neutered before sexual maturity and manages to get outside, who is not spayed and gets pregnant, who buys kittens from mills or pet stores (obviously excluding programs through shelters like at Petsmart etc) shares responsibility for pet overpopulation. But so do breeders as well.

I have five cats. One Feral half siamese who looks purebred...but we know better..he is neutered and 10 years old now.A rescue tabby spayed at 6 m. She went into heat twice before her spay, but we kept her in so nothing would happen. I have one "purebred" Persian who will be spayed the day she turns 6 months(the vet up here WILL NOT do a spay any younger)
Just because she is purebred, and show quality doesnt mean I need to breed her. She is a sweet little cat whom we love dearly. I have one little Long haired Scottish Fold (yes scottish folds came from a mutated gene over 100 years ago in Scotland, a barn cat) She will be bred once when she is almost 2 years old, her ancestry will be documented for over 4 generations, and she will only be bred once. I do not breed to make money, but to ensure that the fold breed continues, with a cattery line that has been around for over 40 years with NO interbreeding and no fold to fold breeding. All the babies are hand raised and loved enourmously. Yes, I hope that she has a show quality baby, but if she dsnt, I have some beautiful little children to love. She will be spayed after that litter. I have one Short Haired fold that was just mated. She will be the last Queen in a very long line of Folds. Her babies will also be loved whether they are show quality or just lovable. She will be spayed after a surviving litter. As you can see, I love all my cats equally, whether they be feral,moggy,purebred, or a stray that happens along my doorstep. I have had many many cats that came from a shelter, and also help to find homes for shelter cats.

Just because I have decided to carry on the Scottish Fold breed, does not mean that I do not care what happens to all the mixed kitties in the world. I certainly do. So there really is not RIGHT or WRONG here. As with every other situation in the world, there is always a different way of doing things. There will always be someone who is going to do it the wrong way, and make a bad name for the ones who do it right.

I really think this is a good thread. We all can learn something from everyones opinions. We, none of us, are totally right, or totally wrong. Just a difference of opinions.

I would like to say that if a breeder is making money, then that person is not breeding properly. Breeding purebred cats is a labor of love, not profit.

I am sorry if I offended anyone.

scamperfarms · May 29, 2006

good point being made here. although i dont agree that those who do not show are not responsible breeders. I planned on showing my girls, took them to a few shows for schooling as kittens, the judges LOVED them. "despite" their "not peke face" look. I think persians should be able to breath. but it stressed them out horribly. they didnt like it one bit. I could have made them contiune, and most likely dont very well. But because I chose the best interest for them, does that make me a bad breeder? Sure hope not.

My girls have had all their testing done, all proper checks and we will be expecting our first litters soon. If anyone shows anything thats not right, Spayed and kept is what we will have. I am not in it to make money. I love the breed, and have done alot of research, i spent a very long time finding the exact cats i wanted. and what lines i felt would be a strong cross.

And saying that in the same brath, I have 14 cats. only 3 currently are purebred and intact. Everyone else is a moggie, S/N (one purebred S/N rescused from a bad situation)

lionessrampant · May 29, 2006

Originally Posted by TNR1

and frankly, I would be looking first at the shelters and rescues to step up to the plate and spay/neuter EVERY animal BEFORE it goes into a home.

Is this not the law outside of Cook County, IL? Here, every cat and dog who leave a shelter MUST be S/N, even puppies and kittens. You know, and some people cry about not being able to get 6 or 8 week old animals, but our euthanasia numbers are consistently declining year after year.

lionessrampant · May 29, 2006

Originally Posted by Kai Bengals

This is an excellent point. My question is, how do we get the Vets to learn this procedure. Nearly all of them in my area are reluctant to learn how to do pediatric alters. Is it that difficult or a dangerous procedure? I think not.
I think the Vets need to get on board with this as well. I have been suggesting to our Vets for quite some time that I would like to see all my kittens altered at 12 weeks prior to leaving for their new homes. Still running into a roadblock. The contract, holding back registration papers and follow-up's is working, but a rock solid guarantee of an altered kitten would be best.

Fine, so they won't spay before 4 months. It's really bad on the part of the vet, but now you have a new responsibility as someone who is rehoming (homing?) cats: you are now obligated, being as responsible as you are, to keep them those 4 months until they are altered. You'll probably find better homes (in this area, at least, we statistically have fewer returns on adults than kittens) and if you're so in love with your cats and your breed, then you won't mind going this extra mile.

Again, collective "you" not just Kai Bengals "you"

sharky · May 29, 2006

Originally Posted by lionessrampant

Is this not the law outside of Cook County, IL? Here, every cat and dog who leave a shelter MUST be S/N, even puppies and kittens. You know, and some people cry about not being able to get 6 or 8 week old animals, but our euthanasia numbers are consistently declining year after year.

No it is not the law in other areas ... A few local shelters will let you take home a dog or cat without it being fixed .... some make you sign a paper stating you will but others dont.... You are quite lucky living in a large metro area to have resouces ...

sims2fan · May 29, 2006

I find the vets reluctance to not spay and neuter before six months very frustrating. Rocket (male moggie) and Mica (female balinese) started showing "interest" in each other when they were 4.5 and almost 5 months old. I called the vet right away to make an appointment to get them neutered and he said that they were too young and just playing. Well what they did three days later was definitely more than playing. This time I was very angry when I called the vet and he said Rocket could come in the next day to be neutered and what I saw was just "practice" at their age. I took Rocket for his neutering and all was fine until I came across a post on TCS saying that they have to be separated for a month as it takes that long for the neutering to be totally effective. I went to another vet and got Mica spayed didn't ask if there were kittens and did not want to know, its for the best like the world needs anymore crossbreeds!

familytimerags · May 30, 2006

Originally Posted by lionessrampant

Fine, so they won't spay before 4 months. It's really bad on the part of the vet, but now you have a new responsibility as someone who is rehoming (homing?) cats: you are now obligated, being as responsible as you are, to keep them those 4 months until they are altered. You'll probably find better homes (in this area, at least, we statistically have fewer returns on adults than kittens) and if you're so in love with your cats and your breed, then you won't mind going this extra mile.

Again, collective "you" not just Kai Bengals "you"

I do agree with this, as well. I have been lucky to find several vet in our area that will early alter as soon as a kitten is 2lbs, our Ragdolls turn 2 lbs by 8 weeks of age, but we alter at around 10-11 weeks of age. There are several other vets who will alter at 4 months of age. I feel that many of our kitten adopter would not have had a problem waiting a few more weeks to bring home their kitten.
I also realize, however, that many are comfortable with their vets and are relucantant to change after many years of service with them. I can only respect that decision, please don't feel that I am putting you down as a breeder, if you don't have the same opinion as myself.
For those of you who would like accredited information to take to your vet, please click on this link http://www.catvet.homestead.com/EarlyAlter.html
On page 4 of this link, there will be another link to "Protocols_for_Early_Age_Altering.doc" at the bottom of the page. It gives very detailed instruction written by Susan Little DVM, who is the President of the Winn Feline Foundation. Much research has been done to prove that early altering is beneficial. This may not change your vets mind, but it does give him the up to date information regarding pediatric altering. In my opinon, the quicker the practice of early age altering becomes the norm, the better.
Not only do, we as breeders have to worry about the chance of accidental litters of pet quality kittens, but the kitten adopters, bring home their kitten with the worry of speutering behind them. The kittens are back to their playful selves the same day, and come home to heal with Mom and littermates.
There are constantly going to be people who have "good intention", when they say they want to breed that "one litter", they are ignorant to what is what ethical breeding really is. Some of these people can be educated, and you can change their mind, but there will be others who you can't reach, and early altering is going to prevent that.
I also ask many questions to our pet buyers. I have a list of numerous questions, that I can pick and choose from. I really like to get to know our families who adopt, and enjoy staying in touch, and watching our babies grow up.
Here is where the problem come in... If someone calls me up and tells me they would like a kitten and wants to breed, and I explain to them that they need to be a registered cattery, do research, find a mentor. What happens next, is they decide not to contact me back, but to go to the next breeder, and before long they will finally contact a breeder who doesn't alter their pets, and know all the right things to say, and then the next BYB pops up selling "purebred cats w/ no papers for $200". A cpntract certainly helps, but I don't feel it will 100%.
As for the issue of any purebreds ending up in shelters, if breeders will begin microchipping and register the emergency contact as yourself, then if your kitten ends up in a shelter or rescue, you are at a much greater chance of getting your kitten/cat back to you.
We also give to our local no-kill shelter, Pets and People, it may not always be a monetary gift, but sometimes food, litter, or just our time.
I have a question to those breeders who do early alter, would you let one of your kittens go as a breeder to a cattery who does not early alter? I wouldn't, just because I do strongly believe that early altering is for the best.

I think everyone has had very valid points, and have all been very respectful.

kai bengals · May 30, 2006

Originally Posted by ScamperFarms

good point being made here. although i dont agree that those who do not show are not responsible breeders. I planned on showing my girls, took them to a few shows for schooling as kittens, the judges LOVED them. "despite" their "not peke face" look. I think persians should be able to breath. but it stressed them out horribly. they didnt like it one bit. I could have made them contiune, and most likely dont very well. But because I chose the best interest for them, does that make me a bad breeder? Sure hope not.

Your comment here kind of brings the thread back on the track I originally intended it for.
I think your heart is in the right place concerning your Persians, as I don't like or agree with the extreme peke look either. Clearly many of the cats have problems breathing.
The judging standards for individual breeds are set by the registries, but these can be modified and changed over time. I think it's impoprtant for breeders like yourself that see something wrong with peke'd faces, to try to do something to get the standards changed.
One of the ways to get the ball rolling is to put your cats in front of the judges. After the ring is completed, ask the judge why he/she made the decisions they made. Express your concerns about the face.
Not every cat is cut out for the shows, personality wise. So if your adults despise the show ring, then consider grooming a quality kitten for the show.
Kittens adapt much more easily to showing, if you start them at 4 months of age.
For me, there's no point to breeding cats if there is no desire to produce a better cat, whatever characteristic you're trying to improve. Attending shows gives you the opportunity to see what other breeders are producing and even better, what qualities the judges are looking for to award cats a winning ribbon.

abymummy · May 30, 2006

Originally Posted by Kai Bengals

For me, there's no point to breeding cats if there is no desire to produce a better cat, whatever characteristic you're trying to improve. Attending shows gives you the opportunity to see what other breeders are producing and even better, what qualities the judges are looking for to award cats a winning ribbon.

Well said!!!! A friend once asked "why do you bother spending SOOO much money buying show quality cats for your breeding programme? Isn't breeder quality enough?"

As a founder breeder of Abys in this neck of the woods, it is my honor and duty to produce the best that I can and if that means spending money on the best then so be it...my very first litter of three have already been marked "NOT FOR BREEDING".

All my domestics are either altered or will be altered. Vets here do not practise early altering at all...the earliest they will do it is at 6 months. The end result is that my kittens do not leave home until after altering or I withhold certification until proof of neutering is given or failing that I will go and get the cat back with no recourse (I've done that before with someone who adopted a domestic from me).

There's a lot of noise here about selling altered pedigree cats at "unreasonable" prices...but, if ethical breeders don't make a start by enforcing the rules then BYBs rule the day and the term CAT FANCY does not mean anything at all.

IMHO....

sol · May 30, 2006

So.....why breed cats at all? In order to preserve unique (not health damaging) traits. Not only exterior traits but also preserving good temperment.

Who should be breeding cats? Anyone that has the dedication, knowledge and practical possibilities to actuarally do something good for the cats.

What is the goal and end result desired by breeding cats? I can only speak for me and I want healthy and sound pets. I can't have any cat in my home due to my allergies so I've learned to appreciate the diversity we have in cats (and dogs). Some breeds I tolerate, some are disastrous to my health.

As for the breeding - homeless cats issue it surely isn't easy but I don't see serious breeding as a contributing factor to the increasing number of homeless cats. No kitten I sell needs to end up in a shelter or on the street since I gladely take them home if they can't stay in their home. If any of the ones that buy a healthy kitten from me wanna raise a litter, I'll help them (making them a tool for me actuarally) all the way IF I believe they are ready for the task or I simply won't sell them a cat.

Breeding stock can't be held on stand by so once I take a paus in my breeding, all the cats will be spayed/neutered. If we, the serious breeders, stop breeding today, probably all that will happen is that the breeds will disappear and only be bred by BYBs and deteriorate. It's not the serious ones that are the problem, it's the BYBs and their work isn't affected by "the good guys" breeding stop.

The numbers of homeless cats won't be altered much since BYBs aren't as discriminating when choosing new homes so one BYB probably gives raise to more of them, people that wouldn't be able to buy a cat at all from a serious breeder or from a shelter.

But then, I can't sit and produce kittens in thousands just because I love the breed and I'm dedicated to it. If I can't sell my kittens, I'll have to stop breeding. Demand and supply.

mihoshi · May 30, 2006

Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom

I really think my suggestion a few posts down is a compromise.

Without quoting your entire post I think that's a fairly reasonable set of suggestions for breeders to consider. But, the one point I would like to add into this is that if the shelters don't also change their attitudes about breeders, it won't be easy thing to do. I did three years of shelter work, made good friends, and the second I started breeding I was scowed at by those same people and was made to feel unwelcomed from them on. It's a little more than a kick in the teeth for breeders to write a donation check and then be ridiculed (sp?) by the shelter workers for being breeders - let alone donate your personal time to be next to someone who despises you.

Now, I realize that isn't all the shelter and rescues, and some do mesh together to work well with breeders - I've seen quite a few at cat shows, but none in my local middle-of-nowhere home town. So, what would be your suggestion(s) for them to help the tension issues for the better? What I mean is, if breeders come to help or donate, what could the shelter workers do to make us feel more comfortable to encourage us to do more (no nasty looks or guilt trips for breeding is already a given)? Both sides need to change certain areas to improve.

zissou'smom · May 30, 2006

Well, first, as you have an idea of what shelter workers are like from the many bad experiences you've had with them, I'm sure they have this idea where responsible breeders are lumped together with BYBers. Why? Because they spend all day with abandoned, abused, homeless, sad animals, many of which came from irresponsible breeders and BYBers. So, while asking them to change their idea you also need to change yours. Explain to them what you do and why you want to help them. As Ghandi said, you must be the change you wish to see in the world. Be willing to accept the questions and suspiciousness with patience rather than anger because the best way to change their mind would be to do exactly what they don't expect. Think about why they're so mad about what you do from their perspective and then explain why this isn't right. Even still, they are doing everything they can to help with the overpopulation problem and breeders will be playing catch-up forever. Also, what reason is there to tell the shelter you volunteer with or donate to that you're a breeder at all? If you don't then the issue need never come up, esp if you think you can't ever change anyone's mind.
And it will be also a bit of a kick in the teeth for them to have a breeder volunteering whatever resources because breeding cats (responsibly or no) is what has directly caused most of the saddening cases and also the stress of the adoptions on them. So, you're kind of saying "Hey I helped make this problem (in whatever small way) and will continue to but I'm also helping you guys fix it".
The most important thing on both sides will be honesty, self-control, and politeness.

It's really totally unfair to ask much more of the people who volunteer or work fulltime at the shelters.

It's the breeders who must defend their position and work to change the ideas people have about it, not the shelter workers. All they should have to do is be open-minded to learning about the actual process of what you do and also accepting you as a person and not just outright hating you for what you do. Other than that its your job. And find a common enemy... say, BYBers???

It's distressing how people are willing to let stupid things get in the way of what we all want... Every cat (well, and dog and rabbit and ferret and etc) to be wanted, loved, in a forever home, never abused or neglected, and taken very good care of. If only every treated their pets the way we do, right? I think if everyone saw the greater picture (not just the big one, the huge one) there really aren't any differences if we are working towards that goal.

Also, some of y'all are being very resistant to my idea about what a responsible breeder should be while at the same time saying the ways in which you already do follow that definition. I really think alot of breeders have already realized this and just don't want to admit it out loud. Responsible breeding includes realing that you are creating new kittens. New kittens add to the overpopulation of cats. I'm not asking you to take responsibility or blame or fault for the problem itself, just the part that you made. And ask others to do the same. And then try to help fix the problem / lessen the impact of breeding by doing something to help out, and encouraging others to do the same.

Please, please, everyone, just step back a second from that cloistered world of breeding and think about it from the point of view of those who don't quite get the esoteric ideas breeders hold about purebred cats. I'm not saying you shouldn't love your breed and do whatever it is that you do... but though your reasons for allowing your cats to make babies may be far nobler than average, you're still allowing cats to make babies.
And one thing we can agree on is that those babies, purebred or not, deserve a good home, because, well, they're cats aren't they?

scamperfarms · May 30, 2006

Originally Posted by Kai Bengals

Your comment here kind of brings the thread back on the track I originally intended it for.
I think your heart is in the right place concerning your Persians, as I don't like or agree with the extreme peke look either. Clearly many of the cats have problems breathing.
The judging standards for individual breeds are set by the registries, but these can be modified and changed over time. I think it's impoprtant for breeders like yourself that see something wrong with peke'd faces, to try to do something to get the standards changed.
One of the ways to get the ball rolling is to put your cats in front of the judges. After the ring is completed, ask the judge why he/she made the decisions they made. Express your concerns about the face.
Not every cat is cut out for the shows, personality wise. So if your adults despise the show ring, then consider grooming a quality kitten for the show.
Kittens adapt much more easily to showing, if you start them at 4 months of age.
For me, there's no point to breeding cats if there is no desire to produce a better cat, whatever characteristic you're trying to improve. Attending shows gives you the opportunity to see what other breeders are producing and even better, what qualities the judges are looking for to award cats a winning ribbon.

My girls, were Kittens when we made our first outing. They just didnt like it. I didnt force it on them. I am however, happily prepareing for showing my new male when he arrives. But he is not set to arrive in the world even til July, so it will be a while.

Thank you for the compiment. I agree. that these Pekes have just gotten out of hand. My rescue girl Maia, can not fit her tougne all the way in her mouth. and she snorts ALOT.and has trouble breathing. I do NOT want that in my cats.

scamperfarms · May 30, 2006

P.s...they may not like shows..but they are little hams..i just wanna show em off a little lol

Lilly the most peke of my three, and as peke as i will get.

Lace

Lyla

sims2fan · Jun 3, 2006

They are so beautiful!

Wow...

scamperfarms · Jun 3, 2006

Originally Posted by Sims2fan

They are so beautiful!

Wow...

thank you i think so too but i am biased. LOL

Steve is always following them around and telling them how pretty they are, lol he can not wait for their babies.

commonoddity042 · Jun 3, 2006

Originally Posted by lionessrampant

Is this not the law outside of Cook County, IL? Here, every cat and dog who leave a shelter MUST be S/N, even puppies and kittens. You know, and some people cry about not being able to get 6 or 8 week old animals, but our euthanasia numbers are consistently declining year after year.

None of the shelters close to me fix kittens. Pregnant moms have their litters there, are spayed, and the kittens adopted out at 8 or so weeks of age with contracts. They get back quite a few who "won't stop having babies!", which starts the cycle all over again, because none of the local vets fix before 6 months or fix pregnant cats, no matter how early it is in the pregnancy.

commonoddity042 · Jun 3, 2006

Originally Posted by Mihoshi

My shelter experience is that they will lie and call a cat a purebred this or half that - and it's simply a guess.

http://search.petfinder.com/shelterS...ort=&preview=1

This is a good example of that. I'd be surprised if these were bombays and russian blues.

commonoddity042 · Jun 3, 2006

Something I must say...what about the responsible breeders who spend huge amounts of time working with rescues, donate money to them each month, or foster?

Does the fact that they breed make them pet overpopulation villains?

(give an answer other than "if they worked in rescue they wouldn't be breeding" please)

This area has a lot of cats. And no listed cat breeders for many miles. Guess where the scurrying cats come from here? Joe Lazy and Mrs Lazy who think it's unnatural and sinful to spay little Fluffy OR keep her in the house.

Every spring and summer, BAM! Kittens coming out of the woodwork! And yet all you can hear is "I have too many cats! I'm so tired of kittens! Vets are too expensive, and If it's not broke dont fix it!" or Jr Lazy-in-Training saying "Fluffy's last four kittens got run'd over, but she's pregnant again so it is ok. Kittens r kyute!" or "I'm letting her have one litter or she'll be mean". My neighbor thinks that only females need to be fixed. She has four free-roaming males that I've noticed. None neutered because it's "unnecessary and makes them mean". All of them too wild to catch and sneak off for a snip so that they'll stop saturating my house and making opening doors to the outside equal to liberally wafting tomcat urine-stench into my kitchen and livingroom.

No one I know here is clamoring for a purebred. It is an average of $30 dollars full price to fix a cat of either sex here and even THAT is too much money for a lot of people to bother spending on them because "They're just cats". Even the nearest shelter's $50 adoption fee is frowned upon by some when they're guaranteed their pick of a few litters a year closeby (the closest chelter is a county away).

Responsible breeders will have the parents tested for health issues, vetted, and not breed the females every single time they are in heat, and will take breeding slowly so that neither cat is hurt, and will screen potential adopters, spay or neuter the kittens beforehand if possible, or have a written contract and care tips.

A girl I know here has an unspayed outdoor female. She was out driving one day, miles away, and saw a pretty male and thought "Him and my cat would make pretty kittens". She picked him up, put him in the trunk of her car, drove home, and tossed him in her yard and hoped that the ensuing screeches meant they were mating. Huge difference.

I am not saying that all breeders are perfect (and in this example am only using responsible breeders. It goes without saying that there are bad practitioners in everything out there) , but that the truly responsible breeders actually know more about and care more about cats than the average irresponsible pet owner who has the "fluffy's a lesser creature, so his/her health matters less" mentality, and are more than willing to provide any and everything their cats would need, be it good food, medicine, or a spay/neuter before being sent to a new home if possible.

I've tried explaining why cats should be fixed, but no one listens, and the most I get out of it is being known as a crazy cat lady who wastes money on an "inferior" being. Year after year, questionably healthy kittens are born, a few live, get older, and the cycle continues.

You could make the excuse that a breeder 100 miles away caused this, but I severely doubt it. If the irresponsible people I know here aren't willing to pay $30 to spay/neuter, or even the $5 to feed it even the cheapest of catfood (it can eat mice and birds), they aren't going to spend hundreds on a purebred cat, and they sure aren't going to spend $50 to adopt one, moggie, mix, or otherwise to begin with.

IMO, an end to responsible breeding would mean that the nubmer of irresponsibly bred, mostly sickly and wholly unmedicated cats would continue to rise, which would adversely affect the health of future cats as a whole, as responsible breeders fix their cats when they are finished with breeding them. Energy would be better exerted trying to get good, effective laws against animal cruelty and cutting down on the amount of unfixed pets roaming free to have litters every time something catches and mates it, than it is pointing fingers and saying "YOU did this!".

Out of curiosity, I have a question. There was a method I've heard of some breeders using where they microchip each kitten with their contact information so that if the cat is ever put in a shelter and scanned, they'll know. What is your opinion of it? Yay or nay on that one?

kitytize · Jun 5, 2006

I have really enjoyed reading this thread now I am going to try and type my thoughts on this. I am a born cat lover. I want to do everything in my power to help the cat overpopulation. Every year someones barn cat roams into my yard a sick mess. The cats are not feral because they are nice and loving. I have put lost adds but it does no good. I cant afford to fix every cat I find that needs help. I volunteered in a sheltered and when I asked to bring in found cats they wouldnt take them. What do I do with a cat that is not fixed and I did not choose to have? I put free adds in the paper and give them away unfixed. I dont like this but at least it gives the cat a better chance to survive then it what it did have. All I can do is hope that the new owners get the cat fixed which I do express this to them.

I also love the Somali breed. I love the red longhair and I do feel it is not fair to let this beautiful cat go extinct because of all the moggies. I honestly view pedigreed cats and moggies as 2 different species. Tigers and lions can breed but they are different. I do have a somali and I do show her because I want to learn everything I can about this breed hoping to someday in the future help this beautiful breed continue to exist. I guess I could spend my money on fixing strays instead of showing but thats not fair to me or the somali.

I feel there are many ways to help the cat overpopulation and some are in practice now. I believe vets could play a bigger role in this offering low cost spay/neuter. I also think cat registeries should do something about the byb's. How does it look to the cat registery when someone visits a nasty cattery or buys sick kittens. It makes that registery look bad. I think this problem should be on the news and in local newspapers. How do people learn about this problem if they are not a cat lover? The information I have read is that only 3% of the cat population are actually pedigreed and only 1% of the shelter cats are pedigreed. IMO Pedigreed cats are not the problem.

I have 5 cats 2 pedigreeds and 3 moggies. A shelter cat did not die because I chose to have a somali. I would not have gotten another cat at all if I didnt want to learn about this beautiful breed by showing. I will feed and rehome every cat I find that needs help. Maybe not by everyones standard but by what I can afford. If I can afford to fix strays I will and have done it. If I cant afford to I wont and I have done this also. This is an overwhelming problem for cat lovers but I also love pedigreeds and want to see them have a place in this world to.

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