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post #1 of 29
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I am new at this whole kitten thing so there are some questions that I am hoping that some one here will be able to answer.

1. My cat has had an enormous litter. 8 live kittens and 5 still born. For a total of 13 cats. I know that this is way bigger than a normal litter, but is that why there were some many stillborn kittens?

2. The father of the kittens is my male cat.(yes he is now fixed and yes she will be when the kittens are weaned.) At what point should I let him around the mother and babies?

3. It was more than 4 hours between cat number 12 and 13 is this normal? And should I expect more.

4. What should I watch for as far as a sign of things being wrong with mama?
The bleeding is very minimal at this point and she is just laying there nursing the kittens. She doesnt appear to be in any pain but she also has yet to eat.
Is it normal for her to want to wait to eat?

Thankyou in advance for any help!!!!!!
Melissa
post #2 of 29
By still born, do you mean that 5 were born dead, or do you mean she has 5 more to deliver?
post #3 of 29
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Originally Posted by miyah12
I am new at this whole kitten thing so there are some questions that I am hoping that some one here will be able to answer.

1. My cat has had an enormous litter. 8 live kittens and 5 still born. For a total of 13 cats. I know that this is way bigger than a normal litter, but is that why there were some many stillborn kittens?

2. The father of the kittens is my male cat.(yes he is now fixed and yes she will be when the kittens are weaned.) At what point should I let him around the mother and babies?

3. It was more than 4 hours between cat number 12 and 13 is this normal? And should I expect more.

4. What should I watch for as far as a sign of things being wrong with mama?
The bleeding is very minimal at this point and she is just laying there nursing the kittens. She doesnt appear to be in any pain but she also has yet to eat.
Is it normal for her to want to wait to eat?

Thankyou in advance for any help!!!!!!
Melissa
Melissa...how soon ago was dad cat fixed?? Males can still carry after sperm for a while after being neutered, so you will want to hold off on allowing him back near your mother cat until at least a month has past since his neuter.

So she had 8 live kittens and 5 still births....can you feel any more in her stomache?

Katie
post #4 of 29
Thread Starter 
I had the male cat fixed about 5 or 6 weeks ago. As far as stillborn I mean they were born dead. Two of them were not even fully developed, I assume this is because there is such a large litter. I do not think that she has anymore in there but it didnt really feel like there were anymore in there when she suprised us with this last one. Also is there anyway to keep her from laying the kittens one of the cats was no longer alive when I just went to check them and I think it is because she was laying on them.

Thanks Melissa
post #5 of 29
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Originally Posted by miyah12
I had the male cat fixed about 5 or 6 weeks ago. As far as stillborn I mean they were born dead. Two of them were not even fully developed, I assume this is because there is such a large litter. I do not think that she has anymore in there but it didnt really feel like there were anymore in there when she suprised us with this last one. Also is there anyway to keep her from laying the kittens one of the cats was no longer alive when I just went to check them and I think it is because she was laying on them.

Thanks Melissa
Melissa....you have removed the kittens that were stillborn or died correct??

Katie
post #6 of 29
I understand now, thanks for clarifying. I'm sorry to hear of the little ones that didn't make it.

Yes, please remove the stillborns. Try to also give momma cat some quiet time for a couple of hours...you'll be surprised how well she'll when left to her instincts as a mother. Check back with her to see how those kitties are doing.

8 babies!!! Whoo-hoo!!!! She'll be a busy lady, for sure!
post #7 of 29
What probably happened is that she mated with your male more then once and was actually impregnated with two completely seperate litters at two completely seperate times. One of the many problems with this is that often when a female is carrying more then one litter at a time, when the first one is ready to be born, they second litter will be born also whether they are ready or not.
post #8 of 29
Yes, I've heard of that before.

Interesting that they can carry too separate litters.
post #9 of 29
You have some brood there! Congrats!

I would recommend getting some KMR. With a litter of 8 kittens, you'll probably need to help supplement some of Mom's feedings. Anything over 6 kittens can often be too much for a queen. You don't have to completely take over, but some supplemental feeding couldn't hurt. Go to www.kitten-rescue.com for information on how to feed the babies.

It is not uncommon for a cat to kill healthy kittens if there are more than she can handle. Instinctively, a cat would rather give enough to less kittens to make sure they are healthy and strong, than she would to stretch out what she has, and take the risk it isn't enough for any of them.

Also, the fact the male cat is around might make her feel threatened, and that could be another reason a queen might kill a kitten.

I would recommend you keep them apart for at least a few weeks, and try to supplement the feeding. And don't feel guilty about the kitten, what she did was an instinct, and how they survive in the wild.

Good luck with them!
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by miyah12
I had the male cat fixed about 5 or 6 weeks ago.
Oh..and I just wanted to add THANK YOU for getting your male fixed.

Katie
post #11 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thankyou for the responses. I am glad to have some advice as to what I should be doing. Yes getting the male fixed was a must, I am almost 7 months pregnant myself, and my husband was in Iraq, I was overwhelmed with the three kids that I have at home and thought "oh I will wait till my hubby gets home that way he can take the cat to the vet." I guess this is what I get for being lazy. I did just leave the cats alone as soon as I thought she was through giving birth. I knew mama was going to be exhausted after giving birth to all those kittens. In fact I have only been in there twice since she has finished delivering at 12 and it is now 7pm. I want to make sure that all is alright but I do not want to bother mama either. I just put a bowl of food as well as some water outside of the queening box. i hope that this is the right thing to do. also one more question. I changed all of the bedding in the queening box and tried to clean up the mamas behind without bothering her to much, but her behind is still really gross. Do I need to clean that soem more for her or is that something that she will do herself. Oh and she is a longhaired cat.

Thanks Again Melissa
post #12 of 29
Thread Starter 
Oh and I wanted to add that yes I did remove all of the stillborn kittens as they were born. Mama wanted nothing to do with them anyhow so I figured it was best to remove them as soon as possible.
post #13 of 29
Sorry this is so long, but I've tried to include a lot of info.

A few things. You need to keep food out for her 24/7, and she needs kitten food. If you feed her regular canned food once or twice a day, at least keep a bowl filled with dry kitten food for her at all times near the box along with her water. Nursing (especially all those kittens) takes a lot of energy from her, and she needs the extra calories and protein. And keep the litter not too far from where she is for now, because she might be stressed by having to travel too far, and out of the sight of her babies.

Just make sure the area she's in with the kittens is warm and not in direct strong light (a simple cover over the box she's in is perfect, even if it's cardboard).

The first few days she will stay with them most of the time. She probably doesn't want to leave her babies just yet and she's exhausted. She'll know when she needs a break. (if you're really concerned, for today, put some of her food in a small bowl and put it next to her. When my cat had hers, the first day I did that and she did eat a little just laying there. After that, she came out to eat when she needed to.

There is a chance one of the reasons she is not wanting to leave is because there is a Tom in the house. Please try to keep them separate for a week or two, it's a lot better for Mom, who won't be as stressed.

You can give her a quick wipe up with a paper towel dampened with warm water if you want to, but if she's always been able to clean herself, when she gets some strength back, she'll take care of herself and the babies. I chose to not bother with Deja Vu because I figured she was uncomfortable enough after 5 kittens, and she did eventually clean herself up. But with the longer fur, it might be different.

You might consider getting a pair of baby scissors (dull at the tips) and trimming the fur around her bottom area to make life a bit more comfortable for her these days.

It was a good idea to give her some fresh bedding. After the first change, what I did worked very well for me, and was not very difficult, so perhaps it might be a good idea for you. Fold a couple of towels up to fit in the bottom of the box (if the area is too soft, the kittens will have a harder time moving around. I found the towels perfect). Then I covered those towels with 3 layers of paper towels. All i had to do each day was change the paper towels once (lots less laundry and bending). Just wait until the Mom leaves the box to eat or use the litter and take that opportunity to quickly remove the kittens from the box, remove the old paper towels, and replace them with the fresh ones). Mom is going to be licking them to make them go to the bathroom, and ingesting it, so she will keep the area very clean. Chances are you will not have to change the cloth towels at all if the paper towel layers are there and changed once a day. It was very easy.

And do wait until she leaves, especially since she seems to have some problems and so many kittens. You want her as calm as possible, and moving them around while she's in the box could have a tendency to stress her a bit.

Just watch her to make sure she eats by tomorrow and that the kittens are nursing well. They should be sleeping peacefully after they eat. If they seem to be crying a lot and not sleeping well, that's usually a sign they are not getting enough food, so you will probably need to supplement with KMR (which I recommend having on hand just in case. With 8, you'll probably have to help a bit, even if its once a day (I had one litter I had to do twice because Mom had been very weak and had 6 kittens -- she took care of most of it, and I gave them a little with the bottle in the a.m. and p.m. It was a perfect partnership and the kittens thrived).

After reading your situation, I am wondering if maybe the whole thing is too much for you right now (for no other reason than you being pregnant and your hubby being away, and you having so much responsibility and work to do).

If you feel this is the case, you do have an option of calling a no-kill rescue group. They can take Mom and the kittens, they will have them all checked by a vet, and they will place them into a good, checked-out foster home until they are ready to be given to good homes.

I'd even bet that they would work something out with you that they return Mom to you spayed once the kittens are up for adoption (which would be at 8 weeks old).

If you feel that it's not too much for you, contact them anyway. They can take the kittens and get them into good homes for you once they are 8 weeks old, and still most liekly will help you by having her spayed, and with shots and s/n for the kittens too. They are great, these groups and are very picky about the homes they send the babies to.

If you want to look into the places in your area, go to www.petfinder.com In the upper right hand area click on shelter and rescue groups, then put in your state, and you'll get a list of all the rescues and shelters near you. Really, the rescue groups are very dedicated. I do fostering myself for the one who helped me with Deja Vu and her kittens.

I wish you luck, and I give you credit for all you're taking on.
post #14 of 29
Yes, you certainly have a lot on your plate right now!

Good luck in whatever you decide, Charm's post was very informative.

And good luck with your upcoming new arrival, and with your hubby as well!
post #15 of 29
A little addendum ... (Gee I wish I could be there to see the babies, I love watching them) ...

Although I generally tend to recommend not removing the kittens from the mother unless absolutely necessary, and I believe that we should be grandmothers, not mothers, to the kittens (meaning let her do the work, that's what she's made for, and she knows what to do -- they've been doing it fine for thousands of years -- we should only love, enjoy and spoil them ). That's why I say to only step in when it's really needed (although I think with 8 kittens it probably will be).

However what I wanted to add was that even though I believe these things, I also believe that interraction from day one with the babies is important to help raise kittens that are very friendly and people oriented.

What I used to do with Deja Vu and her babies was I'd lay down on the floor (you'd have to do it on your side though, lol), pet Mom, just talk gently to them all to get them used to my voice, and get Mom used to me being there in a positive, non-threatening way so if I did have to do anything, it didn't freak her out.

I would touch the kittens (not pick them up unless I absolutely had to, but I would touch them). I'd pet their little heads with my finger, and their sides and and bellies while I talked gently to them. They would grab my finger with their tiny little paws and I'd move my finger up and down, and they seemed to enjoy the playing. I'd roll them over so I could see their bellies and make sure they were rounded and full and seemed to be growing (some suggest weighing a lot, but if you can see them growing and thriving, I personally don't think the extra stress is needed -- only if there's something wrong). I'd sit and watch as they nursed, and if a kitten or two (and the two small ones often had this problem) were pushed from the nipples and cried because they couldn't find them, I'd use my finger to gently slide their heads over a nipple so they would feel it with their lips and nose (which is how they find it when their eyes are still closed). Once they felt it, they grabbed on and went at it.

Once they open their eyes, which will happen around 10 days (some more, some less, some half and half -- I had some start to open one eye, then not get the other opened until the rest had done it completely -- each is different) -- but once their eyes are open, that's when I feel is the time to start taking them out of the box to play with them, interract with safe toys, holding, petting. By then they can stay away from Mom more, and she won't be as stressed. They'll probably be wanting to explore more once they open their eyes.

If you have interracted with them a lot before they open their eyes, they'll know who you are and they'll be thrilled to see you! I had one so bonded to me by the time she opened her eyes, that the second she heard me she'd pull herself up to greet me, even though she could hardly stand. In fact, I have a picture of her doing that in the "show me your tux" thread in pictures, Rocky, the little one sticking her sweet little white cheeks that I want to pinch all the time over the edge of the box.

Rocky by the way is still with me, as is Mom, and the rescue helped get them all great homes. One was even adopted by a vet's daughter. I don't think I could have had a better testimonial than that!

One thing I would suggest is once they open their eyes to not lift them off the ground too high -- when they can see the little ones can get scared of the height and you want them to have only good feelings when they're with people -- that makes them friendlier in their future forever homes, which makes them easier to adopt out.

Good luck again. I know I have rambled on, but hope some of my experiences can help you.
post #16 of 29
13 wow. I never heard of that...
post #17 of 29
13 Wow!
I'm glad at least some made it, you are doing a great job. Please don't forget to get lots of rest yourself too.
Good luck
post #18 of 29
Oh, goodness...I have never heard of a kitty having 14 kittens! I'm sorry you lost some . I agree with most of what Charmed posted, except I do like weighing them. And do pick up some kitten formula and a tiny bottle or syringe, so if it looks like anyone needs a little extra boost you can give it. The kitten formula comes already mixed or in powder form. I like the powdered kind, because you can mix up just what you need.

Best of luck with your remaining kittens!
post #19 of 29
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Charmed, Wow Thankyou so much for all of the info it was great. Thankfully my hubby is home now, well he has been for 1.5 months and that is when I got my male fixed. Myiah is doing great, she has eaten and she is starting to clean herself up so I think I will just leave that up to her. Also so had some litter stuck in her fur so I am sure that she has been to the litter box. So all seems like it is going very well with her. She actually delivered a 14th kitten but that one was stillborn as well Hopefully that is all. I really think that she must have been caring two litters because all of the stillborn kittens were much smaller that the kittens who are all doing well. I will post pictures of her so that everyone can see how very large she was. It seriously looked like she ate a soccer ball. Oh and I did also buy some kitten milk replacement stuff. Ot was the only thing that I could find and I am assuming that is the same as KMR. It says on the side that I can also give it to the mother for extra nutrition when she is nursing. Is this a good idea? Any way her are some pictures of mama and babies. They are not the best but I didnt want to interfere so I was trying to stay a little bit away.

Here are a few pictures of Miyah at 6 weeks pregnant

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This is Miyah just a few days ago

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And here are some pictures of Miyah and the kittens

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post #20 of 29
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Okay will someone tell me how to post pics please?????
post #21 of 29
Copy the IMG link from photobucket.
post #22 of 29
Thread Starter 
These are miyah at about 6 weeks pregnant





This is Miyah about a week ago





And here are her and the kittens






The pics of her and the kittens are not the greatest but I didnt want to bother them so I was trying to stay far away.
post #23 of 29
Miyah is beautiful and the kittens all look very cute. Quite a mix of colours you've got there.

I hope it all continues to go well, I'm so sorry about the ones you lost.
post #24 of 29
Oh my, she was sooo big! I bet she will feel so much lighter now The kittens look beautiful and you are doing a good job of respecting her privacy. She will take care of business and you will be amazed at how easy the first few weeks go. When the kittens get mobile you might want to get a large crate
post #25 of 29
awwww too darned cute!
post #26 of 29
She's gorgeous! And the kittens are adorable!

Just be careful of flashes right now. Their eyes are not fully developed (which is why they are closed) so the bright light can hurt them. Best off leaving them with Mom, and if you do need extra light, take the pics while their faces are buried in Mom and eyes are safe.

Once they open their eyes you can use the flash and take better pictures. Even then, some recommend using something over hte flash to dim the brightness a bit But at least there is very little, if any, chance of damage to them at that point.

KMR is a brand of kitten milk replacement -- hence the intitials. LOL If you have another brand, that's fine.

Some people give the cat some kmr while she's nursing, the nutrients can't hurt, if she likes it. Especially since she's gone through so much and will be, and can use any building up she can get. But as long as you're leaving out a good quality kitten food that she can eat as much as she needs anytime she wants, that's fine.

I'm so glad to hear your hubby is home. Thank you both making the sacrifices for us that you have made.

I agree with those who say she probably had a 2nd litter. Cats can be impregnated by two males, in fact many litters do have more than one father, one of the reasons for so many different colors and patterns. It's rarer that the pregnancies happen that far apart, but it does happen, and usually this is the outcome; the mother's body will care for and deliver the first, and not really sustain the 2nd, so it's usually a stillborn litter. Best for the Mom this way too.

She was big, and that was a strain on her body. As sad as it it, if they had been born living, she couldn't have handled that many and they would have died, and then it would have been a slow, suffering starvation, or would have been killed. Nature has a way of doing the right thing most times.

And I know it amazes us when we discover they really don't need us to fuss over them. LOL I'm glad she's doing all those things, a good sign that all is well.

The pictures were wonderful. As I talked about before, do interract starting tomrrow. And get her used to you being near, because the more people-oriented the kittens are, the better chances they have of finding great homes. As long as Mom is okay with it and not stressed out, you're not bothering her or them. I personally believe it's best until they open their eyes to play with them only while they're in the box with Mom, but I do play with them. Several times a day. When their eyes open, they know me.

If you want to see Rocky (and don't feel obligated to look, but I have to try and brag anyway LOL you'll see what I mean by looking for me. This is shortly after their eyes opened.

After you go through all the cuteness attacks of all the adorables you see here, you'll come across one of a little guy with two white little cheeks (I just can't help pinching them every time I see them) peeking over a box that says "premium decaffienate" (about as opposite an idea with him as you can get. LOL) That's my Rocky, and the 3 pictures above are him now.

http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85171

Keep up informed!

I'm so glad everyone is doing well!
post #27 of 29
OMG SKittles is getting big like that also and she has almost 2 weeks to go How are mom and babies doing this morning.
post #28 of 29
Thread Starter 
Well this morning, or I guess that it is already afternoon, mom and kittens are doing great. I really am lucky to have such a wonderful loving kitty. She ate last night and today she came out and was looking for the our male kitty, Malcom, when she found him it was like she told him all about it. They were rubbing noses and he was licking her head and they were just so lovey dovy with each other it was very cute.

Miyah has been great with the kittens. I went in this morning to clean the bedding and she followed me right back in there, so I didnt want to mess with the kittens and she just came up and sat in my lap and started loving all over me, but as soon as one of the babies made a noise she was right there to make sure that they were all right.

Momof3rugratz for skittles sake I hope that she doesnt have 14 kitties in her belly. Miyah sure was miserable at the end. Thanks again to everyone for all of the help and support.

Melissa
post #29 of 29
I hope for my sake to. SHe is getting big but she is so lovable. I am really enjoying it.
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