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post #1 of 27
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I'm going to have to supplement Echo, at least for tonight. I weighed them all today and he's about 2.6 ounces, or so. Everyone has chubby cheeks but him. I'm worried about him, because he'll sleep more than nurse. And I felt him a few minutes ago and he was pretty coolers than the others. So I'm going to go heat up the rice pad I made and try and feed him.


PLEASE PRAY!
post #2 of 27
Prayers on the way!! Make sure he is warm before feeding him. I have always did a gram scale until the kittens were over one pound. The gram scale gave me a closer idea of how much they were gaining or losing. Make sure not to over feed, it is better to underfeed than it is to overfeed.
Please keep us updated.
post #3 of 27
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Originally Posted by timestreason
I'm going to have to supplement Echo, at least for tonight. I weighed them all today and he's about 2.6 ounces, or so. Everyone has chubby cheeks but him. I'm worried about him, because he'll sleep more than nurse. And I felt him a few minutes ago and he was pretty coolers than the others. So I'm going to go heat up the rice pad I made and try and feed him.


PLEASE PRAY!
"Okay, Alpha weighs 5.2 OZ, Bravo weighs 5 oz, Charlie weighs 4.5, Delta weighs 4.9, Echo weighs 4,6, and I didn't weigh Foxtrot because his placenta is still attached."

That is very concerning, that Echo has lost 2 ounces. He definitely needs to be warmed up and supplemented! Prayers that he recovers!
post #4 of 27
We will keep you in our thoughts & prayers tonight. Echo doesn't still have his placenta attached does he/she? Also kittens will lose a little in the first day or two after birth, But I would definatly supplement the baby & make sure he is warm before feeding him. It is dangerous to feed a chilled kitten. I have 5 kittens that momma is taking wonderful care of but I am giving a bottle in the morning & 1 at night to all the kittens just to help her out a bit & to make sure all is well. I hope everything goes ok for you all, Keep us updated. Prayers-Dawnde
Duh I just read that that was an old excerpt from a previous post about the placenta...sorry!
post #5 of 27
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Echo is still a little cold...I put him in with his brothers and sisters and with his rice heater...but he's very quiet and still..not dead, but...

Dad thinks it's best to leave him in there with the others, but I don't agree. They keep walking over him and pushing him and when I placed him on his momma earlier to see if he'd nurse, he just laid there and they pushed him off.
post #6 of 27
Do you have any kmr or formula? If so, I think I would step in & at least give it a try. But others have different opinions. I know a breeder who will leave a kitten in the amniotic sac if the mother will not clean it off so the kittens die she says it's nature's way. My girl cleaned the first few babies and then got tired (understandable) But there is no way I could stand-by & let one pass. There are some home made formulas you can make as well with things you may already have if you can't get kitten replacement formula. Kepp us updated please. Prayers your way...
post #7 of 27
Darlin, I do not know any other way to say this but ... you should probably be prepared to lose Echo. I am horribly sorry, but sometimes, these things do happen and despite our best efforts, Nature will take it's own course.

You can try supplementing, but as others have accurately pointed out, you have to get this baby warm first. Take him out of the nest, get a couple of rice heaters and place him between them on your lap. Put a warm towel out of the dryer over your lap to make a tent. Once he starts to become active and wiggle around, it is safe to feed him.

I wish you the best of luck with this one, but I think you would be very wise to prepare yourself emotionally.
post #8 of 27
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Yes, we have formula, but Echo's too cold to feed it to, right now. I'm pretty sure he's dying. I'm trying to keep him warm but he gets stiller and stiller and less responsive.
post #9 of 27
Try to put a dab of corn syrup on his gums, It helps to stimulate babies & mothers if they are having a hard delivery. Sending prayers your way.....
post #10 of 27
Thread Starter 
They've all been born for over 24 hours, everyone else is feeding fine, but for Echo. I just wish he'd warm up so I can feed him...
post #11 of 27
This may be too hard, emotionally, but when there is a kitten that is cold, and not able to warm up on its own, I will place the kitten on my chest, so that it feels my heat, as well as my heart beat, they usually warm up quickly, and then you can feed him. Don't let him take in the KMR too quickly, if he is having trouble suckling, you might go back to the vet, so they can teach you how to tube feed. Prayers are continued. Please know you are doing everything you can, and though I know you want to save him, it sometimes doesn't work despite our best efforts.
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by timestreason
I'm going to have to supplement Echo, at least for tonight. I weighed them all today and he's about 2.6 ounces, or so. Everyone has chubby cheeks but him. I'm worried about him, because he'll sleep more than nurse. And I felt him a few minutes ago and he was pretty coolers than the others. So I'm going to go heat up the rice pad I made and try and feed him.


PLEASE PRAY!
ECHO hunny please get better please. I will say special prayer tonight.
post #13 of 27
My heart goes out to you and precious little Echo. Just try your best, that all you can do and then the rest in is God's hands.

I pray that Echo shows improvement and that Echo makes it through the night.

How does the mom react to the kitten?
post #14 of 27
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Okay, fairly good news. Echo is warming up! Gemma kind of rejected him, so I picked him up and put him in a box with a big heater and a blanky with Gem's smell and a clock and a rice heater (for on top of him) and he's warming up, and gets more and more vocal as the minutes go by. He's even moved a bit! I'll prolly try and feed him when he's warm enough (if I kiss him he's still a bit cool), but I think he's hungry, so I'll try it out in a few.

Thank you everyone for prayers...I need more. This will be a loooong night.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by timestreason
Okay, fairly good news. Echo is warming up! Gemma kind of rejected him, so I picked him up and put him in a box with a big heater and a blanky with Gem's smell and a clock and a rice heater (for on top of him) and he's warming up, and gets more and more vocal as the minutes go by. He's even moved a bit! I'll prolly try and feed him when he's warm enough (if I kiss him he's still a bit cool), but I think he's hungry, so I'll try it out in a few.

Thank you everyone for prayers...I need more. This will be a loooong night.
Seems he may be doing better. you have been doing your home work and have read up on this I see (clock, rice sock, ect.) Very usefull info in here. You are doing every thing you can, so if he is meant to live you will pull him through! I will be hoping for a full tummy and a warm sleepy echo soon. Good luck and get some sweats on so your comfy it 's looking like a long night a head for you
post #16 of 27
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Echo is dead. He was warming up nicely so I put the box he was in on my bed and then I went to go get some formula and the eye dropper and he looked like he was making nursing movments, so I thought he was hungry and I put a ity drop of formula on his tongue...and he started choking and his tongue was sticking to his mouth. I tried to wipe the formula out of his mouth and I rubbed him vigorously but it didn't help.

Gemma saw me rubbing and she jumped up on the bed and sniffed him and then took hold of him and took him back to the box with the other kittens. I found him a few minutes later separated from everyone with gemma looking on. He's dead. Thank you all for your prayers...he just wasn't strong enough.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by timestreason
Echo is dead. He was warming up nicely so I put the box he was in on my bed and then I went to go get some formula and the eye dropper and he looked like he was making nursing movments, so I thought he was hungry and I put a ity drop of formula on his tongue...and he started choking and his tongue was sticking to his mouth. I tried to wipe the formula out of his mouth and I rubbed him vigorously but it didn't help.

Gemma saw me rubbing and she jumped up on the bed and sniffed him and then took hold of him and took him back to the box with the other kittens. I found him a few minutes later separated from everyone with gemma looking on. He's dead. Thank you all for your prayers...he just wasn't strong enough.
Poor baby.. He is with the angels and in great hands.Moment of silence.........God bless.
post #18 of 27
I am so sorry. Hugs to you and to Gemma. You did everything right. My prayers are still with you, Gemma, and the other babies.
post #19 of 27
I will give prayers. Give the rest and Gemma hugs for me.
post #20 of 27
I am sorry for your little kitten. I hope the rest all do good. You are all in my thoughts.
post #21 of 27
im so sorry to here that echo has paased away hugs to u both and for the little ones
post #22 of 27
I am so sorry for your loss, If it was meant to be , you would have pulled him thru with your outstanding efforts well done.At least you did your best for him.
post #23 of 27
Sorry for your loss. Hopefully the others will fare better, You did all that you could have done.

(hug)
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by timestreason
Echo is dead. He was warming up nicely so I put the box he was in on my bed and then I went to go get some formula and the eye dropper and he looked like he was making nursing movments, so I thought he was hungry and I put a ity drop of formula on his tongue...and he started choking and his tongue was sticking to his mouth. I tried to wipe the formula out of his mouth and I rubbed him vigorously but it didn't help.
I'm so sorry to read about Echo....I had a similiar experience with a kitten. She developed pneumonia and no amount of intervention helped. Sometimes these little ones simply are not strong enough and they cross the rainbow bridge early. However...I am certain that little Echo is playing with Matilda (my foster girl) in some catnip filled field in heaven.

Katie
post #25 of 27
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Thanks all for the kind words. All of the other kittens are doing well..I just hope Delta (who we think was Echo's twin, since they're both identical and I'm pretty sure they were in the same sac...I'm not sure, though) doesn't have whatever issues Echo had. Delta is a fighter, though, and he and Bravo are constantly at each other, fighting over nipples and generally being naughty to each other, so I think he's alright...they're still not in the clear, though, so I just hope everyone else is healthy and stays healthy! I think my dad is taking Friday off from work, so I'll see if we can't get a vet appointment then, just to make sure everyone is healthy.
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by timestreason
Thanks all for the kind words. All of the other kittens are doing well..I just hope Delta (who we think was Echo's twin, since they're both identical and I'm pretty sure they were in the same sac...I'm not sure, though) doesn't have whatever issues Echo had. Delta is a fighter, though, and he and Bravo are constantly at each other, fighting over nipples and generally being naughty to each other, so I think he's alright...they're still not in the clear, though, so I just hope everyone else is healthy and stays healthy! I think my dad is taking Friday off from work, so I'll see if we can't get a vet appointment then, just to make sure everyone is healthy.
I am so glad. Please post more pictures when you can.
post #27 of 27
I have read your struggles, Iam praying for echo!!!! Keep doin the best you can!
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