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post #31 of 41
I taught high school for 1 1/2 years. I got out of it for multiple reasons (it really wasn't the right place or position for me), but one of the reasons was the full on disrespect and incredible actions of some of the students. Most of the kids were good kids and I have no doubt that they are and will continue to be productive members of society and better mannered than most of the adults out there.

The thing that I noticed was that the bad kids today are so much worse than the bad kids of my day. I hung out with the bad kids in school, even though I never really got in trouble and got good grades, so I know what they did. I know that they did not frequently call teachers mother f*^%ing b*(&^es. I know that they did not ask their teachers if they liked it "doggy style". And I know that none of them ever peed in a mountain dew bottle, brought it to class and offered it to the teacher to drink. I was only 5 years out of high school, and the attitudes toward any authority (meaning anyone older than them) were attrocious. And heaven forbid if a teacher try to talk to the parents about it. "My son/daughter would never do something like that. They told me you have it out for them." The kids knew that they could get away with it. The school wouldn't do anything against some of them because the parents were big contributors to the school (it was a private school).

With all these school shootings, stabbings, etc going on, I really wonder what has changed so much in the 10 years now that I have been out of school. Back in those days (don't I sound old???) if someone had a big problem with someone else, they would have a fist fight after school. Now the problems are solved with guns and knives. This seems like a big escalation of the problem kids to me. Not that they are all bad, but the bad ones have really gotten out of hand.
post #32 of 41
I had ppl threaten to kill me, because I fixed their computer for them and they were embarassed about it.
PPL on the other side of the phone scare me.
Strange... when I got into the billing department customers were nicer!

Its so hard to hang up the phone on an old person, it REALLY is.
post #33 of 41
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I was a pretty quiet teen only because I lived with my mother and stepdad and the man was very strict. If I got pregnant, I'd be kicked off the house. I never did drugs, drunk alcohol, or do anything to get into trouble. Thanks everyone for the imput. Most of the teens that do behave live on the East side with strict, Mormon parents. The family gets involved in the child's rearing. When I was younger, I've known many teens who were really nice. I, now, live on the west side with most of my neighbors being of the poor or middle class with both parents working and the kids doing whatever they wish.
post #34 of 41
I agree that teenagers nowadays seem much more rude than I remember my friends and I being (I'm not THAT far away from the late teen years). I'll admit we weren't angels, but the stories you hear now...all of the sudden,setting off bottle rockets seems rather lame.

The worst punishment my parents could give me was letting me know that I had disappointed them and let them down. I would feel so horrible, I'd work to regain that trust (usually while I was grounded for a week or two). I think teenagers now don't fear disappointing their parents, either because the parents could care less (and the kids pick this up), or because parents nowadays are told that this kind of punishment hurts a child's self esteem, which is a BAD THING. Therefore, even if the kid does something wrong (or illegal), the kids aren't bad. Bullhockey. Maybe parents should start hurting their kid's self esteem a little.

Sorry. I'll get off my soapbox now.
post #35 of 41
My earlier reply was true, and I do not want to take any of it back, because there is truly frightening parenting out there these days. I do want to add, however, that the reason I got into high school teaching is that I like people, including teenagers, and I enjoy being a part of their lives. I go to baseball games, softball games, football games, and every other kind of game on a regular basis just to be that person in the stands for a kid who has no parents or just crummy ones. I often spend time counseling students about life issues, and I enjoy it.

My concern about rude teens (and other people who ignore basic courtesies) is that they make life miserable for the rest of us. I tell you, it is the 10% of kids (and the BLIND parents who believe that their little darling would NEVER do that!) who are miserable to be around that make me want to leave my profession.
post #36 of 41
Hey, O'Keefe (that's my maiden name!)

I am with you on the SELF ESTEEM thing. Since when is it more important to build self esteem than a body of knowledge that will serve as a basis for learning for a lifetime? I feel that degrading a person is terribly unjust, but expressing disappointment when a person is wrong is a very effective way to check a child's behavior. It works even better when that statement is followed up by encouragement and recognition once the behaviors change. In my experience, doing simply that has turned around several children who want to better themselves. It's all a learning process, right?
post #37 of 41
Gosh, Susan. You just about made me cry. I don't know what I'd do without my mom. I can't imagine having lost her at the early age of 44.
post #38 of 41

Bless you for being a teacher, and caring so much. I'm sure most of us here have great memories of that one teacher who helped us to reach our dreams. ps-Welcome to another O'Keefe!

I also agree that children are a result of the environment they grew up in. My parents allowed my brother and I to make our own mistakes, so that we could learn on our own. After all, how many kids listen to their parents when they say "I don't want you doing that"? They did, however, lay the groundwork so that we would eventually realize that what we were doing wasn't right or acceptable or would limit our futures. I still like to tell my Dad that I am very happy how he raised Jon (brother) and I, and that he should be proud that we turned out the way we did.
post #39 of 41
I hoped she was being sarcastic! BadHabit, as a mature and intelligent young person, you are not an exception, but the truth is that a larger percentage (of teens than adults) are rude. Adults can be rude also, but they no longer have to prove their adulthood to the world or themselves. Some teens just talk back on occasion-that was me, and most of us. Others think they have to rebel against all authority to prove how grownup they are. We've all been there, so I don't feel as if I am insulting young people. I loved to teach high school; the choirs were capable of gratifying and thrilling sound, and when I taught English, I thoroughly enjoyed reading very thoughtful and intelligent essays-especially when I saw literature touching the roughest students. Nevertheless, some of these young people were unbelievably crude. I think parents are an important influence, but I also think it's time young people took some responsibility for their own actions.
post #40 of 41
No doubt Jeanie, teens can be rude and disrespectful and we have all had our... less than stellar moments. Yes yes even me

I just dislike when young kids are automatically classified as lazy or disrepectful just because they are young and "look" it. It's unfair to the kids that are not like their peers and have been there myself I know how frustrating it is to have your personality already set in someone else's mind without them even knowing you.

And you have a addressed a really good point. Kids need to take responsibility for their own actions. By the time you're 16 and 17 you should be preparing yourself for the real world... Be it college or a full time job. Sadly I've seen many friends who haven't a clue about what responsiblity means and I'm sure it will hurt them in the end.

I will say this..... I would NEVER act how I've seen younger kids today act. I just wasn't brought up that way. Brian was telling me how he was standing in front of these two younger kids(maybe 17 years old)in line at a coffee shop and they were swearing up a storm. Every other word was F thing F that blah blah blah. Finally having enough of their vulgar language an elderly lady who was standing in front of Brian in line turned to them and scowled. She never said a word just gave them a look. So the boys started swearing at her and calling her names. After calling her every name in the book Brian turned to them and told them to keep their mouths shut. The one boy sneered and called him a name but they stopped swearing.

After he told me that story I was shocked. Although I know I shouldn't be but I hate hearing things like that. It makes me so angry. I don't know what they felt they had to prove or who they were trying to impress but they'll never gain anyone's respect with a few expletives and sneers.
post #41 of 41
SusieQ, I am so sorry you lost your mom so young. How tragic!! I know she is angel now watching over you and your daughter.
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