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post #31 of 45
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Hey Robin

Thanks for sharing the way your household litterbox system runs...it sounds very organized and you've given me a lot of great ideas!

Also the white noise--if you could sleep with all those dogs and cats on top of and under you, it sounds like a good plan!

Best,

Breindel
post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by gardenandcats
I just think its wrong that anyone feel pets are disposable.
post #33 of 45
Someone mentioned that maybe the new kitten was chasing him in there... My kitten was visiting her cousins Schmaltz and Percival and always followed Schmaltz INTO the litter box. She had her own of course but would rather follow him into his. He was extremely unhappy with the situation and so would only go with his front paws out so he could defend his territory. Even if you haven't observed the kitten annoying the elder cat while he does his business, with such a big adjustment as a new kitten even once would be enough.
post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by Zissou'sMom
Someone mentioned that maybe the new kitten was chasing him in there... My kitten was visiting her cousins Schmaltz and Percival and always followed Schmaltz INTO the litter box. She had her own of course but would rather follow him into his. He was extremely unhappy with the situation and so would only go with his front paws out so he could defend his territory. Even if you haven't observed the kitten annoying the elder cat while he does his business, with such a big adjustment as a new kitten even once would be enough.
Thanks, Zissou'sMom, that's an important observation. I can happily report that things are fine now...I moved the litter box out of the bathroom and I keep the bathroom door closed so that they can't make in the tub. And so far, they have been doing great in the litterbox (knock on wood!)

You're right, I just saw the little one follow him to the water bowl and unknowingly chase him away. So sometimes I've got to remove him so Valentine gets a turn at eating and drinking. As I've recently found out, kittens can be little piglets!
post #35 of 45
Ok I tried to read every single post but I might have skipped a few. If no one else said it, throw away the box you are using and get a completely new one. I like the suggestion of a toy box full of litter, in an apartment though that might be too big and also hard to dump out. Definately get a new box and since you have two cats, I agree that you should have at least 3 litterboxes. Get some big ones. I actually have a dog litterbox downstairs for my cats. I have 8 litterboxes total for 7 cats but that dog one works really well.

I also use Feline Pine which is really great litter because it is heavier so it doesn't go flying out of the litterbox as easily when they bury their business. Also it smells like pine all the time. Only time it smells bad is if they just went poo. AND the pee turns to sawdust.

Are you going to try taking him to the vet? Because I don't know when he was at the vet last but if it has been awhile then he should probably be looked at. A urinary tract infection is not uncommon for an older cat who's life was disrupted by a new kitten. Even though they get along great, it may have just been enough of a change to stress him enough to get an infection. I have a cat who gets UTIs really easily because he will stress for everything, like moving the furniture around.

Um I am trying to think of other advice that everyone else didn't mention. Definately get some Feliway plugins, those work miracles sometimes. New litterboxes, multiple of them, and a vet visit are probably the best things you can do. And don't give up on him, cats don't misbehave like that just because, there is a reason, and many times it is just really hard to figure out what it is. If a cat is in pain (like from a UTI) he will associate the pain with the litterbox because it hurts when he pees and that is the place he pees at, so they look for other places to go in hopes that it won't hurt. Maybe the cold ceramic bathtub feels good to him. Plus cats don't show when they are in pain so you never know.

Good luck.
post #36 of 45
awww, don't get rid of the little guy, your home is his home. He needs you. And bless you for being so patient and listening and trying everything out. Patience will be your greatest virtue as behavior can take 1 month for every year he is...so = about 8 months of redirecting behavior. But please hang in there. Jen has super advice and everyone is very supportive here. I have read every post and the TCS family will guide you. It can be a diary!

I was getting a really strong feeling that he is upset with something in the apartment. I don't sense he is mad at you, but in the past year have you re-arranged the furniture, moved, or had different visitors? I'm glad to hear he gets along well with the new addition, that's wonderful, but something in your apartment is pissing him off.... watch him when he doesn't think you are watching....he'll let you know but it might take a lot of watching until he starts giving clues. I do think he's pissed off at something in the aparment~~
post #37 of 45
i have both of my litterboxes in closets, with the doors open [one is propped open with a brick, the other is just ajar]. now, mind you - they are not in closets where i keep clothes! fabric will trap the odor even if you scoop a lot! anyway, both also have a bathmat under the box to trap 'over the edge' leaks. since i don't subscribe to the newspaper, i prefer this - i can wash them in the washing machine when they get dirty. don't be surprised if one box gets used more than the other - mine definitely prefer the box in the bedroom to the one in the hall. i have to empty the receptacle in the bedroom box at least twice as often as the hall box [i have littermaid automated boxes]. good luck!
post #38 of 45
We currently have our indoor/outdoor cats litter box on the back porch. Yay no more smells in the house!
post #39 of 45


I must agree with some of the others, that a vet visit is well worth eliminating possible health problems. My fella' Sir Purr was using the bathroom outside of the litter box and I took him to the vet - He has urinary crystals which could have developed into a blockage or worse, if I had waited too long.

I say a Dr. visit is warranted between the litterbox issue and loud noises, especially if he's neutered. For cats, the slightest of changes in behavior are always an indication of them trying to tell you something. Whether it be "I need more attention" or "I don't feel good".
Good luck and keep us posted!
post #40 of 45
What a great thread this is, lots of very useful advice to try and solve the problem.

I agree that it would be wise to rule out any medical cause for the cat’s sudden toilet problem. Cats can unexpectedly start ignoring their litterbox and going in the strangest of places for a thousand and one different reasons. Often that reason is stress related caused by the simplest of things. Furniture rearranged, a new room deodorizer, a new household appliance that makes a noise, practically anything.

You’ve had the love of Valentine for 8 years, you can enjoy many more years, the problem can be solved. Good luck.

Larry.
post #41 of 45
Thread Starter 
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply! I have to tell you that I'm so amazed by all of the kindness and encouraging words that have come through this thread. I would like to happily report that things are better! Yay!

Since the litterbox has been out of the bathroom, and I've left the bathroom door closed, it has become a non-issue for the kitties!

Thank you so much again for your replies, you guys gave me hope and many fantastic ideas when I needed it most!

Best Wishes

PS Any ideas for keeping the litter around the box neater? I put newspapers around it and the kitties tear them when they are wiping their paws after going. Is that the way, do I just keep replacing the newpapers, or is it better to use a towel or something else?
post #42 of 45
I have a one of those coir (spelling?) welcome mats next to the litter tray.

It seems to dis-lodge any bits on their paws and they like to scratch on it as well.
post #43 of 45
Thread Starter 
Oh, cool! Do pet stores carry them? Will they know what I'm talking about if I ask for a coir mat?

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Originally Posted by VampireCat
I have a one of those coir (spelling?) welcome mats next to the litter tray.

It seems to dis-lodge any bits on their paws and they like to scratch on it as well.
post #44 of 45
Please can someone tell me what a white noise box is ? and where you get them.

I never get much sleep, both my partner and dog snore, two cats sleep on my bed purring away and if I shut the dog and cats out they complain all night at the door.... OH isn't too happy if I shut him out as well

So glad you have solved your issues with peeing in the bath etc.. let me know if the white noise box works.

By the way if you put cling film over the plug hole and then put the plug in it may stop the leaking, I had a leaky plug once and that worked for me.
post #45 of 45
are the coir mats like those hairy doormats?

made from string?
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