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post #1 of 45
Thread Starter 
Help! I'm at my wits end and entertaining the thought of getting rid of Valentine. We've had him since he was 4 months old, he's turning 8 years next month.

Over the years sometimes he has peed in the tub which of course I mind but I can easily fix with some Lysol and the shower water. But now he is pooping in the tub! And he's taught the kitten to do it!

I reprimanded him by placing him in the tub and saying sternly not to do this. His response was to go in the litter box and shake his tail as if he were trying to make a poop (although nothing came out since it was already in the tub). I said, "that's right," and left. But he continues to do so.

The other thing is he is waking us up late at night and early in the morning with a very loud and long meow that sounds like ROOOOOOO. If I close my door he does it more; if I keep my door open, he does it until I wake up and verbally invite him to come on my bed, then he goes to sleep--so either way my sleep is broken.

Re the poop: I cleaned the tub and put their food and water bowls in it, figuring he wouldn't poop where he eats. He peed right on the plate.

Also, while he loves me, he is cruel to my daughter and has been so since she was little. When she pets him he'll take a swipe at her and has even bitten her on the nose a few times.

Should I get rid of him? Any ideas?


post #2 of 45
i hate to be overly critical- but this is not behaviour that warrants getting rid of your cat of eight years! There are many posts here about cats that do similar things as yours, and the behaviour is usually relatively easily fixed.

i am in the situation where my cat went crazy because she got scared at a noise, and viciously attacked me, my husband and our other cat- but we are working through it because, unless the cat is rabid or something, she is still the cat that i made a commitment to and still the cat that we love and is a part of our family.

i would suggest doing a search here for the problems you are speaking of- inappropriate pooping and meowing indicate that kitty might be sick. the swiping at your daughter doesn't sound like it is very serious, and that behaviour can be modified. i am new to this site, but it is a great resource with great suggestions for helping our kitties be happy and well.
post #3 of 45
I just think its wrong that anyone feel pets are disposable.After 8 years! Try keeping water in the bath tub. That should stop him from using it as a litter box. Or keep the bath room door shut.
post #4 of 45
dont get rid of him

try leaving some water in the tub or putting a litter tray in there. how many littert trays have you got already?

maybe you dont have enough, he doesnt like them or the litter is wrong for him?

has he been to the vets to rule out any health issues?
post #5 of 45
I agree with Maverick_Kitten ... a vet visit in called for to rule out any odd health issues first.

Keeping a little water in the tub is a good idea or moving the litter box there is another. A lot of people will "retrain" to a litter box by confining the cat in a small room (perhaps the bathroom) with food, water and litter box until kitty gets the hang of using the box again. There are many threads here on this topic - try doing a search for inappropriate elimination and see what others have tried.
post #6 of 45
The first thing to do is to make an appointment to take him to the vet to make sure he doesn't have some kind of urinary track infection or something else wrong. Illnesses manifest in unusual ways with cats.

Second. How many litter boxes do you have? With two cats the absolute minimum is two litter boxes, preferably at least three. The kitten may be adding stress to your older cat and may be bothering him while he in the box.

Third. You may need to clean the litter boxes more often than you did before because of the new kitten. If the kitten is stressing the older cat, the smell of the kittens pee and poop could be bothering him.

Fourth. Have you changed the litter lately? I had a cat that started peeing on my bed. Finally I remembered that I had changed the litter. Evidently she didn't like it and put up with it for a while but then got disgusted and this was the only way she had to tell me she hated it. Try putting a different litter in ONE of the litter boxes.

Fifth. Many people have suggested Feliway or Rescue Remedy to help calm cats down. If the vet gives him a clean bill of health, you might want to try either of these products. I believe I usually see them at Petsmart or other local pet stores. Rescue Remedy is something you put in the water, Feliway goes in the air. I tend to rely on Camomile tea.

As you can see, there are several things you can try. Please do not give up hope. Let us know how things are going and I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and your cat.
post #7 of 45
You can give rescue remedy to a cat?! I never knew that. As in the same kind of rescue remedy that people have to calm themselves down?
post #8 of 45
Thread Starter 
Hi, thanks so much for the constructive suggestions! I did the water in the bathtub thing already but it leaks. I think you've got a point there about changing the litter more often. And also the idea about confining him to his room with a litter box.

What kind of litterbox do you guys have? I've been using a plain one with no liners, so it's disgusting to change and clean out. I think I'm going to invest in liners, perhaps it will be more pleasurable to change more frequently.--Also regarding getting another litterbox...where do you keep your litterboxes? We have a tiny bathroom and keep the one in there.

Also, I'd love to hear your ideas if you have, for getting him to not wake me...I really need unbroken sleep!
post #9 of 45
One more thing. That loud ROOO noise? Usually means some type
of pain or discomfort when going poo.. get that checked. Could be
he's constipated, has bowl problems, impacted anal glands or something

As to going in the tub... boy wouldn't I love MY cat to understand
that!! LOL. Its a good thing actually. Lots of people have cats
that go OTHER places! The tub is easy to clean up. Look on the bright side.

I disagree with those who would use liners. Just get a REALLY large
litter box and scoop 2x daily. If you can, right after they go.
post #10 of 45
Thread Starter 
OK, thanks. I actually scoop several times a day, whenever I see poop. How much litter do you put in, and how often do you throw out the old and put in fresh litter?
post #11 of 45
cat generally dont like liners as they catch on their claws and make scary rustling noises when they try to go to the toilet.

get a large plastic container (like a toy chest) and fill it half full with the best quality litter you can afford. that way they can dig and bury to their hearts content and because its so big it needs cleaning out less often.

this is what i have:

if you can fit it in your house, get two or three of these.

you could try 'cat attract litter' which is meant to encourage cats to use the litter box.

As for the waking you up, Mav has started doing that to me. shes does it because she knows i will pay her attention. as long as she has food and water i just ignore her if she calls me before 9am. shes slowly starting to stop doing it when she realises she wont get what she wants.

for the meaness to your daughter, there are lots of threads about telling you how to win a cats trust. they have tips such as, get your daughter to play witht eh cat more, get her to feed it, give it special treats etc so the cat will associate her with good things and love rather than as a threat.
post #12 of 45
I would check with the vet first.
Does the litter clump pee? One of the first litter I tried didn't and one of my girls would do her business someplace else. I have 2 cats and scoop 2x a day. I clean out the litterbox once a week with hot water. (I leave it in the tub with the hot water running in it). if the tub leaks boils some water on the stove, this is good at killing any odor in the box.
Hope this helps!
post #13 of 45
Originally Posted by bloob & valo
OK, thanks. I actually scoop several times a day, whenever I see poop. How much litter do you put in, and how often do you throw out the old and put in fresh litter?
i put in a lot of litter because my cats really like to dig.

i scoop every day and change it when it looks dirty and i am unable to clean it by scooping.
post #14 of 45
Thread Starter 
Hi Maverick,

Thank you for so many wonderful suggestions! I live in an apartment. In which room do you keep the toy chest?
post #15 of 45
Thread Starter 
Hi Jamasmom!

I tried using the clumping stuff, Fresh Step, it was awful and stuck to his paws, he had to chew it out of the crevices. I went back to regular Fresh Step.
post #16 of 45
my bedroom and one in the bathroom. i still live at home so am constrained by what my parents will allow!

when i move into my own place i would keep one in the bathroom, one in my bedroom and maybe another in the front room.

I dont seem to have the trouble with litter box smells like other people have reported, maybe because my cats are very clean and i scoop a lot and use a lot of litter? I also use litter fresh and/or bicarb of soda to mask smells.

I think that you could probably get away with a litter box hidden behind a decorative screen in a room you use often in you scooped it out enough.
post #17 of 45
Thread Starter 
OK, I will try these ideas, and update you.

Thanks so much!

post #18 of 45
Also, Jupiter has access to the garden and i think he prefers to poop in the bushes. that might be why it doesnt smell too bad!

If we didnt have a dog I would make an outside litter box too but i cant risk them being ambushed and drooled on when they are trying to do their thing!
post #19 of 45
Thread Starter 
LOL That's a funny image! Also, I was just scooping it and I realized another problem is it seems the litterbox leaks...whenever I pick it up to wash it out, the floor is disgusting! There's always a puddle of urine for me to mop up. Do the basic ones you buy at the pet stores (aka mine) leak?
post #20 of 45
the basic ones i bought from pet stores never seemed big enough for Maverick and she only weighs 6lb!

I had problems with them cracking, tipping etc before i used a big plastic chest. Sometimes she would actually pee over the edge as she prefers to go in the corner of the box because it was too small and the sides too low.

what litter box are you using? is it the tray types?
post #21 of 45
no, they don't leak, your kitty is missing the box when he pees Has he been to the vet yet? It sound like he might have urine crystal or some other potty problem. His litter could also be old or dirty making him not want to put his feet in it therefore missing the box. What kind of food are you feeding him? Is he nuetered? & how long have you had the new kitten?
post #22 of 45
Thread Starter 
It's plastic and I got the larger size that they have becaus Valo grew big! and was not able to aim into the smaller one. But I like your idea of getting a toy box and filling it up. With all that litter, how often do you have to change the box?
post #23 of 45
I change every 4-6 wks or, if the box gets really dirty. OTW it
doesn't need to be scrubbed out, fully emptied etc. but every 4-6
wks. Of course, as I scoop out litter, I add in more litter!

If you do that, then you should be good for about 4-6 wks. ( i
have 2 cats using mine.. lots of pees not too many poos)

Also, the pee outside the box - the cat is too big for the box,
a rubbermaid container (which is what I use) that is 8 inch
high and at least 28 inches long...that could work for you.

And do get to the vet for that ROOO noise. That's PAIN
when peeing or pooing! Could be very serious if it is urinary
crystals - cat can die from blocked urine flow... backs up into the kidneys.

Its a simple and fairly cheap fix if he has - so DO GET CHECKED out.
Try the Humane society vets if cost is an issue for you.
post #24 of 45
Thread Starter 
Hi Chichis Mom,

Thanks for your kind support and constructive suggestions! You're right, the litter has got to be changed more. RE the leakage, I think you're right about missing the box! RE your questions: He used to eat Purina dry but I just switched him a few weeks ago to Nutro Natural Wet Senior and he loves it! He is neutered, and we have the new kitten for 2 months. They get along wonderfully. The kitten eats Merrick's wet Turkducken, and I mix a little grapefruit seed extract and Vitamin C (calcium ascorbate) into both of their foods. For dry, I switched them a couple of weeks ago to Innova Evo, which the kitten loves, but Valo eats and digests fine, but doesn't love as much as his Nutro wet, so I'm going to soon try another dry that he'll prefer.
post #25 of 45
Thread Starter 
Hi Opilot,

Awesome advice for the litter box, thanks! Regarding the ROOOO noise, I appreciate your concern and I'm sorry I didn't specify earlier before I got everyone concerned, he's a Birman and they make this noise which only Birmans seem to make when they are unhappy. Someone had an actual word for the noise a Birman makes, called a "huff." (He was upset because my bedroom door was closed, and I closed it so he wouldn't come in and meow until I woke up, but instead I got a series of ROOOOOOs.)
post #26 of 45
I use the regular litter boxes they sell at petsmart etc... I change the entire thing EVERY week-absolutly- I am sorry, I can't touch the icky(used)box EWW! But if you don't feel like re-doing the whole thing like me-just change the litter and SCRUB the box out. Chichi(my 16 yr old) misses the box about once a month or so. She is the "balancer" LOL she will NOT step in litter, no matter how new and fresh it is or what kind it is, she will not put her feet down in it. Now she will touch the litter a little to cover up her dooties, she will not step in it. She balances herself along the edges and does her buisness. As far as the 2 boxes go, I have had my new kitten for about 3 months and at first I had 2 boxes, but neither of them EVER used the other box, not one time!!!! So I only have one, it is pretty big, and like I said they would'nt even touch the other one?! But give it a shot. It is better to have multiple boxes, and if they use them that's great, but not always the case. I also put newspaper under, and surrounding the box so when an accident happens-cleanup is alot easier, just wad the paper up and throw it away, take some soap and water and scrub out the area, put down some new paper and your set
post #27 of 45
Thread Starter 
Hey Chichi's Mom,

Thanks for the advice re the newspaper and cleaning the floor--so much easier now! I loved the story about your balancer, that's hysterical! I have a question, help me understand...

"I change the entire thing EVERY week-absolutly- I am sorry, I can't touch the icky(used)box EWW!"

Do you mean you don't use the pooper scooper and instead you dump the whole thing out every week?
post #28 of 45
No I scoop..... who knows how many times a day The box is in my bedroom so as soon as I see a visitor to the box I am in there. I redo the whole set up every weekend, and just take the old box, litter and all out to the garbage. It is sooooooo much more practical to me, rather than bending over in the tub scrubbing out icky clumps and its not that expensive either. The new pan cost about 7 bucks, and the litter somewhere around 10$ so I'll pay 17 bucks not to touch stinky boxes LOL. I will try to take a pic of my "set-up" this weekend if I can get a hold of the camera, so you can see the newspaper thing. I arrange the newspaper just so, so when I have to scoop it up quickly, it stays together without spilling its contents the newspaper also keeps the litter from being tracked all over, I make sure it sticks out from under the box to trap all the stray pebbles of litter. kinda like a door mat.

You might also want to '' air '' out the whole litter box area too. Especially since one of them has peed on the floor. When you get ready to clean the box or put a new one in, scrub the WHOLE area where the box sits, walls, floor etc... and let it dry for a while-and before I put the new box in I sprinkle some baking soda under it to hide any stray odors. Cats noses are WAY stronger than ours,and if the area has'nt been cleaned in a while it might be irratating (sp) their little noses. Also don't spray any too stinky air freshners etc... in the litter area for the same reason.
post #29 of 45
One suggestion for sleeping through the "Rooo" noise is to use a noise machine or a box-fan for white noise. We have a few light sleepers in our family, (I am one of them), and the white noise works wonders for unbroken sleep. With my box fan on, I am able to sleep soundly with a jack russell under the covers with me, and two cats on top of me!

We have 8 cats; so we provide 9 litter boxes. I try to have some convenient to every level of our split-level. We use several regular litter boxes, 2 covered ones, and two that are simply large plastic storage containers with a hole cut out of the top for the cats to jump in and out of-- no litter spills out.
This way, different cats can choose their preference of box! We even have one in the living room-- you can move it out when you have company.

Keep the boxes clean-- I clean mine alot, just with soap and hot water, and scoop it clean twice a day. Having so many boxes has kept my cats very happy, with no accidents.
post #30 of 45
Thread Starter 
Thanks Chichi's Mom! Awesome suggestions and thanks for offering to take a pic for me to see, that's so thoughtful! You've helped me a lot. I love the idea of disposable litter boxes! Best, Breindel
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