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post #31 of 42
Originally Posted by Cirque
So far I have tried treating Buddy as if I am a cat when being a human does not work. I hiss at him, I stare him down, I use body language (that I learned from him and our other cats).

I also move my feet across the carpet wearing flip-flops (makes a good noise), I snap, I clap, I say "NO, BUDDY!" and "BUDDY, NO" "STOP" as loudly as I dare (landlord lives below and sleeps early).

Sometimes I even get down on my hands and knees and do an open mouthed very fast pant like a cat smelling a strange cat or a fast "dog sniff". Those usually send him into a super playful run around frantic or super friendly loving state thats hillarious to watch but does not last long. Sure gets him distracted though.

Most of the time he follows me around or stays in the same room as me, and often comes when called as well so he really can be sweet. I would hate to have to get rid of him.

Buddy's major problem however is that he wants to attack Casey either playfully or meanly (hard to tell usually). Reguardless Casey wants nothing to do with him and is only now starting to barely accept him in the same room without taking off, but usually does when the chance arrives.

Casey is SO scared she usually hides behind a chair, under a dresser or inside our couch and only comes out in the morning to see us if Buddy is locked up or at night when we eat dinner and Buddy is locked up. Buddy has to be locked up because it is when he gets fed some wet food and it gives Casey time to go eat as well. I do fear she does not get enough food as she usually does not get to eat all of hers, but we free feed dry food as well so I keep hoping shes sneaking in some eating while I sleep during the day.

Casey will not eat if the food is at a door with Buddy on the other side, she is not food motivated being that she is sooo timid and affection driven but can not get affection to socialize if shes being chased or attacked. There is literally no way to "properly" introduce these two cats as suggested by feeding them near each other etc.

I have tried rubbing a towel on Casey to get her scent on it, that almost worked. When I went to rub Buddy he thought it was a much better idea if he just attacked the towel and me instead. Hand towels must be extreamly fun to bite. Well I rubbed him a little bit, went back to Casey and she had enough of towel rubbing.

We have tried putting things with the other cats scents around as well. Buddy loves to go into Casey's little cat house thing, more then Casey ever did. He loves to play with the toys the other cats had as well as long as theres catnip involved. Moved a piece of clothes Buddy had been sitting on often over onto the couch where Casey sits, she did not go back onto it after the first time she was on it and we even feed them both snacks while she was on it.

Buddy also has taken to walking around "Crying" for attention? or something he wants, at odd hours when people generally sleep. If I shut him in the computer room (where he first stayed when we got him) he ends up scratching at the door and crying non-stop for quite awhile, sometimes very loudly. So that makes it really hard to keep him seperated for reintroduction as well as he now feels he should have free reign of the house, although he does tend to migrate back to this room where I always am. I also send him here after he does something bad, which I suppose reinforces that this is "his" room and might not be good?

So far we have not been able to get the plug-ins mentioned elsewhere, around here they are about $45 and refills are about half that. Being on a very limited income myself it makes buying all sorts of cat stuff tough after we pay off vet bills, adoption fees, food, litter, and all the rest.

I realize some of these things take a great deal of repetition and time, but if anyone has any suggestions with how to get Casey to be more accepting and less timid, and Buddy to chill out a bit.. please we would love to hear them.

Sounds like Buddy is Alpha and Casey isn't into being submissive yet. If they are play fighting that is perfectly normal, and a younger kitty has an over abundance of energy. I know that Prowler is terrorizing the cats over here. The only one who even stands up to her is Gypsy. It is amazing to me how this tenacious 14 week old kitten will not back down, not even from Noddy, our Alpha of the group. I will watch her body language and I will see where Prowler is set on getting her way with the other cats. She even lays down on the floor near their food bowl, and very carefully reaches over with her polydactyl paw and starts creeping the food bowl over to her side of the room. It's hysterical to watch.

I would look into the rescue remedies guy, and see what you can give Buddy and also Casey to ease the tension between them. I wouldn't expose either cat to any more cats or kittens as a playdate, simply because it adds to the stress already in the cat's life. And stress can cause illness pure and simple.

You can go to www.catfaeiries.com or www.littlebigcat.com
and look up the different remedies. They are tasteless and odorless and they do work without harming the cat.
post #32 of 42
I was searching the threads to find answers to correct my kittens' behaviours. Spook is trying to jump the gate again that I have separating the living room from the kitchen. Salem had tried this a couple times and I just said no and redirected his attention and he has done very well at not trying to get over the gate. Spook was not interested in my "No". She didn't even look over at me. I then tried the making a loud noise. That didn't work either. So, after reading these threads, I tried the hissing noise. IT WORKS BEAUTIFULLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks so much for having this information here. I never would have thought to do that and I am astonished at how well it works!!!
post #33 of 42
Good for you!.

I learned to do that as well
post #34 of 42
This might sound goofy, but my cats get the same as my kids LOL...well, not entirely...the kids get the long drawn out speeches...but aside from that....they get a firm "No". If that doesn't stop it, they're removed from the situation. Usually a couple of minutes after that they're up purring and rubbing up against me like Hey, are we good? LOL
post #35 of 42
This is a real old thread, but here's a quick story...

I wasn't thinking when I gave her the name "Nano" -- sounds like I am always telling her no. So I had to come up with a substitute phrase for "don't do that" and we are back on track.

On topic, I have the phrase for "don't do that" and I make a loud "ow" (deliberately) if she scratches me. That's it. No squirt guns, hitting, clapping, screaming or anything like that. I do have one trick to immediately get her full attention -- but that is very serious and I only use it maybe twice a week.
post #36 of 42
All behaviour of everything, from mammals through to plants, is a response to the environment they're in. However annoying it is to the owner, to the cat it seems the most logical/fun/natural thing to do. The majority of the time the quickest way to change the behaviour is just to change the environment and situation in which the behaviour happens. If a room causes a problem the room can be altered or simply be made out of bounds, if the blind cords are being swung on move the blind cords, if feeding time causes a fight then change the feeding situation. Sometimes a very minor change can solve everything because the 'triggers' that cause the behaviour you don't want are gone. And it's just as easy to change the environment to keep producing the behaviour you DO want- things like adding the extra litter trays, interesting things to climb on and play with etc etc. That often works as great 'first aid' in dealing with any behaviour situation and it's the most successful strategy I've found with my lot. The other half of solving the problem is understanding the specific animal instinctive behaviour- things like alpha behaviour, being aware of group dynamics- which I know virtually nothing about and read avidly about from the experts here! Some of the advice I've gleaned here from recognising and enabling alpha behaviour has been very helpful in reducing friction between my gang, when from reading I realised I actually had two alpha cats. Fascinating to watch and see how those dynamics work.
post #37 of 42
I, personally, have used a spritz of water to great success to dissuade my cats from jumping up on the kitchen counters or the dining room table--those are the only surfaces they're not permitted on! I haven't picked up the spray bottle in months, because they learned very quickly. Once in a while, during an intense chasing session, one or another will use the table as part of their escape route, but if they see me looking at them, they know they have to get down right away. Other than that, they really don't need to be disciplined.

I'm interested in everyone's theories as to why cats can't be disciplined in the same way as dogs. I understand that they can't--that's not my question--I'm just wondering what about their nature makes them so different. My family's theory is that, though cats are social animals with their own pecking orders, they're not pack animals in the strict sense that dogs are. But I'm not sure that this fully explains it. Any other ideas?
post #38 of 42
human-'like' discipline will not work on a cat! UGH.. You cannot punish, hit or spray it.. won't work. the best thing to do is reward good behavior
post #39 of 42
I've never smacked or squirted my cats. I've found a firm "no" or "down" or sometimes clapping my hands loudly does the trick. Often it's not so much even a matter of disciplining them, but of keeping them out of trouble.
post #40 of 42
Originally Posted by DanceMuse
I'm interested in everyone's theories as to why cats can't be disciplined in the same way as dogs. I understand that they can't--that's not my question--I'm just wondering what about their nature makes them so different. My family's theory is that, though cats are social animals with their own pecking orders, they're not pack animals in the strict sense that dogs are. But I'm not sure that this fully explains it. Any other ideas?
Actually, for best results in training and for the best bond with your dog, dogs shouldn't be 'disciplined' with physical punishments either. 'Punishing' a dog can have the same negative long-term effects on your relationship with the dog as 'punishing' a cat - though some dogs are more resilient and will still try to please you rather than run away, it will still damage the bond. Positive training methods provide much quicker and more long-lasting results than force and punishment-based training. Negative behaviors in dogs should also be redirected to a positive (distract the dog from chewing on your shoe and give him a chew toy instead).

Clicker training
The Power of Positive Dog Training

(I know this doesn't directly answer your question, but I wanted to address the common mistaken assumption that dogs can and should be 'punished' as part of regular dog training and dog-owner interaction.)
post #41 of 42
I have known several people who beat their cats. Here's a sick story for you:

My ex-husband (divorced for 10 yrs now), he gave me Snickers and Dusty last year. I left Snickers and Dusty behind when I left the jerk. (took Jess & KC) I had my reasons for leaving them behind which I won't go into here...

While me and Jerk were married; I witnessed him "several times" hitting, beating, choking the cats. Mind you I was powerless in that household; I had to ask permission if I wanted to use the bathroom, if I wanted to leave the house (was never allowed, only to work), and if I was getting dressed, he would pick my clothes out for me. This is the kinda guy who was not only controlling, but when he lost his temper, it was "Very bad".

I came home one winter day to see the Christmas tree lying on it's side. I didn't see him anywhere. I laughed, cuz it was a funny sight and it reminded me of when I was about 9 yrs old and our cat, Tabby, knocked down my childhood Christmas tree! So I said loudly, 'what happened'?

Into the room, at the sound of my voice came Snickers... LIMPING very badly. Snickers was about 4 yrs old at that time; Snickers had a broken leg as a kitten which we had fixed. Anyway. My ex had beaten Snickers so badly that he was limping. Came running to ME for solace. Then, into the room comes KC; she was RUNNING full speed. In comes the Ex; his face was red, he was so angry he was shaking. He grabbed KC by the skin on her back and THREW HER against the 40 gallon fish tank. KC hit so hard I was afraid she was dead, cuz when she landed with a THUD, she didn't get up; she stood slowly then took off running again. Ex started yelling and screaming about the tree, the cats, hatred this, hatred that. I didn't ask where Jess & Dusty were cuz I knew; they were apparently under the bed or sofa nursing their beatings.

So then he proceeds to grab SNICKERS. And he held him down, with his hands around Snickers throat and started choking him. He kept saying stuff about how this was HIS house and the stupid cats knocked down his perfect Christmas tree.

So then after I begged and pleaded as kindly and sweetly and silently as possible, since I wasn't really allowed to contradict the Great Ex -- he let Snickers go.

Just months later I left him, divorced him, and I kissed Snickers & Dusty goodbye. It was so dang hard to leave them behind; but so very liberating to get away from HIM.

We'd started talking again about 5 yrs later, and were actually friends for a while... but since he's mental I ended the friendship. But not until I got Snickers and Dusty!!!! Last year in October, Ex brought the cats to me. It was shortly after that I told him off and told him everything I really thought of him, I had seen that he'd not changed, seen what he was doing to his current girlfriend, his own child, and above all... the cats. He told me if Snickers & Dusty did NOT come live with me, he was going to have them put to sleep.

They're safe now. (end of rant)

So there's my story about "cat beatings" and what I once witnessed. If I EVER hear of ANYONE beating a cat or anything remotely like a beating, I swear I lay into them about what I witnessed once and how disturbing it was! It is so amazing to see that even after Snicky & Dusty lived with him for those 9 yrs after I wasn't there to help them, they are sweethearts. Both follow me everywhere and it's odd but it seems they remembered me.

I do not ever discipline my cats. Even Hammie scratching on my sofa, I just clap my hands together and act like I'm charging after him. Never ever would I hit them. I used to keep a squirt gun nearby when Hammie was a kitten, because he was really adventurous and kept getting up on the stove!!! So I'd squirt his butt. I only did this like 3 times cuz come to find out, Hammie loves water, likes to play in the sink & shower, the toilet.

Dogs & kids can be disciplined but cats are cats. And that's that.
post #42 of 42
My dog is really timid and doesn't respond positively to smacking or even slapping. A firm "No!" tells him he did something wrong. Keep putting on your stern voice and looking down at him, and he'll practically shrink inside himself, wanting the horrible punishment to stop. Of course, I never do that (go on and on) because Jake gets frustrated easily and when he gets frustrated, he lashes out. If I just use "No!" or a warning "Jaaaaaaake...", he understands he's done something wrong and he behaves. Keep going on and on, and he won't understand exactly what he's done wrong. Say he knocked over the trash can. I say "No!" and then maybe I go on and on. At first he understands the "No" is meant for the trash can, but then he starts to wonder if maybe it's something else, because he's not knocking over the trash can anymore and the human is still mad at him. See what I'm talking about?

As for the kitties, I don't hit them either. With Buffy, actually, you can't hit her. Seriously, if you even pat her nose, she'll smack you in return (at the very least, she'll give you the maddest expression a cat can muster). And, of course, she'll refuse to look at you for the rest of the day. With Willow, all you need to do is give a "No, nuh-uh Willow, don't do that." and place her in the correct position (if she's scratching a hole in a window, take her off the window and place her on the floor). With Buffy, it's a bit harder to teach her. You can hit her, but placing her in the correct position doesn't work so well either. If she's scratching at the window and you put her on the floor, she'll just jump right back up, over and over and over. Maybe around the 10 time of being placed on the floor, she'll get tired of having to leave the window and then maybe she'll behave. But she has that look like she's not quite sure what she's supposed to do, so she "walks on egg shells", hoping that whatever she does doesn't cause her to get put on the floor. She's worked around the whole punishment thing, though! If she wants a hole put in the screen, she just sits back and makes Willow do it (Willow's got a harder head anyways. She's more skilled in putting holes in screens, lol). Then when Willow has a hole big enough for Buffy, Buffy will shove her out of the way and fly outside, Willow cursing up a blue streak after her. And then a human will come, see Willow trying to make the hole wider, and shut the window and place Willow on the floor (with a really mad "No!" because Buffy got outside and now we have to play "Catch-Me-If-You-Can"). If Buffy doesn't get outside and a person sees Willow working on the hole, Willow again gets punished. Buffy's a genius, in my opinion, lol (a weird, screws-missing-in-head kind of genius, lol)
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