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Hi all;

I'm sorry this ended up so long, but the more I read, the more I had to post.  What's in your pet's food?????

I just wanted to say here that I was very surprised when I took my two fur babies to a new vet.  She asked me what I fed them, (NV Instinct) and Nutro.  She asked me if I had ever tried Blue?  I responded in disbelief and told her that I wouldn't give my cats any of the Blue line foods.  She looked just as shocked with my answer, and I explained to her, that that pet food line is still continuing to put Carageenan and gums in their foods.  I don't think a lot of people realize that your cat shouldn't be eating that stuff.  I was very surprised to find a Vet to recommend such a food.  

I have been all around the cat food world, looking for something better than what I feed them now, and I can't.  If you don't want the Carageenan and the gums in their food, I noticed you have to settle for the vegetables, which in my opinion are better but not needed in a carnivores diet.

It's increasingly difficult to find any GOOD cat food lately.  All these companies that claim their food is so good, has potatoes, starch, rice, guar gum, Xanthan gum, Cassia gums AND some don't even put in the very much needed D3 supplement.

 PROPYLENE GLYCOL  ( a first cousin to anti freeze)  This compound causes the fatal destruction of red blood cells.  This compound is used to maintain the right texture and moisture and to tie up the water content, thus inhibiting bacterial growth, it is added to some “chewy” foods to keep them moist. 

CELLULOSE: a pulp from fibrous plant. Also has been described as sawdust.

dried egg product   found in 38% of pet food products analyzed
Cheap source of protein, waste product of egg industry, free of shell.


 

Brewers dried yeast found in 34% of pet food products analyzed

Waste product (used for flavoring, protein, B-vitamins) which can become very toxic to the liver causes allergies and arthritis.

brewer’s rice   found in 31% of pet food products analyzed
Waste product from breweries, cheap, non-nutritive filler can be harsh on intestines and lead to diabetes.


dicalcium phosphate   found in 26% of pet food products analyzed
Can become toxic to body -- texturizer in can food.


wheat flour   found in 18% of pet food products analyzed
Poorly digested filler, can cause allergies and bowel problems.


ground rice   found in 17% of pet food products analyzed
Filler -- has been linked to diabetes, always indicates white rice, not whole grain but usually floor sweepings from rice industry.


sodium carbonate   found in 11% of pet food products analyzed
Neutralizer for rancid fats, similar to lye.


fish oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols)   found in 10% of pet food products analyzed
Non-descriptive, cheap "fish" source, often rancid prior to preserving with Vitamin E (gimmicky to cover poor quality oil).


 water sufficient for processing   found in 10% of pet food products analyzed
Robs protein from can food since it is used as non-nutritive filler instead.

 sodium phosphate   found in 9% of pet food products analyzed
Non-digestible source of phosphorous (vital to maintaining acid/alkalinity pH).

L-lysine monohydrochloride  found in 8% of pet food products analyzed
Poor source of Lysine (essential amino acid found in meat), cheaper to use for food enrichment for grain-based foods.
 


tetra sodium pyrophosphate   found in 7% of pet food products analyzed
Is a rust stain remover used in cleaning products (TSP)!!!! Why is it in food? Emulsification of rendered animal fats! Very toxic, causes nausea and diarrhea.

 rice   found in 7% of pet food products analyzed
Cheap filler, can cause diabetes in dogs, often indicates poorest quality possible.


 brown rice  found in 7% of pet food products analyzed
Cheap filler, does not have to be whole ground when used in dry foods! Usually found whole in cans.

 sorbic acid (a preservative)   found in 6% of pet food products analyzed
A mold and yeast inhibitor.


monocalcium phosphate  found in 5% of pet food products analyzed
Buffer, neutralizing agent in flours, poor source of phosphorous.

 menadione dimethylpyrimidinol bisulfite (source of vitamin K activity)  found in 5% of pet food products analyzed
Least beneficial source of Vitamin K activity needed for proper blood clotting.

 potato  found in 5% of pet food products analyzed
A carbohydrate source, can use as cheap filler, can cause weight gain and digestive upset.


xanthan gum   found in 5% of pet food products analyzed
Cheap binder, filler in can foods.

whole grain corn   found in 5% of pet food products analyzed
Contains all nutrients of corn but indicates the use of feed-grade (old, moldy), not human-grade (healthier, fresher), can cause allergies, weight gain, blood sugar imbalances.


Chicken by-product   found in 5% of pet food products analyzed
Ground up carcasses, diseased internal organs, beaks and feet.

 sodium hexametaphosphate   found in 5% of pet food products analyzed
Cheap source of phosphorus CAN BECOME DEADLY TO DOGS-- emulsifier, texturizer.


animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid)   found in 5% of pet food products analyzed
Non-descriptive fat! Can be anything rancid or 4-D (dead, dying, disabled, diseased) regardless of natural Vitamin E and C preservatives. Misleading.

 poultry liver   found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Cheap source of liver flavoring, non-descriptive, often includes diseased tissues. Can become toxic to body.


thiamine hydrochloride   found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Cheapest, poorly assimilated source of Thiamine, Vitamin B-1, needed for nervous system and mental attitude.

propylene glycol   found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Adds sweetness to food, used in antifreeze! Some preservative action, possible carcinogen.

sodium bisulfate   found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Used as disinfectant!

trace minerals (potassium chloride)  (1 stars) found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Source of potassium to balance pH, small intestinal ulcers may occur, indicates lack of well-rounded supplementation.


thiamine hydrochloride  (1 stars) found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Cheapest, poorly assimilated source of Thiamine, Vitamin B-1, needed for nervous system and mental attitude.

propylene glycol  (1 stars) found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Adds sweetness to food, used in antifreeze! Some preservative action, possible carcinogen.

sodium bisulfate  (1 stars) found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Used as disinfectant!

trace minerals (potassium chloride)  found in 4% of pet food products analyzed
Source of potassium to balance pH, small intestinal ulcers may occur, indicates lack of well-rounded supplementation.

 glycine  found in 3% of pet food products analyzed
Non-essential amino acid used as antacid, indicates very poor quality food.

 


 

 


 
 
 


 
 

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You can add this to your dislike of Blue Buffalo.

I saw a report from Susan Thixton stating that the investigation into Blue, begun by Purina, discovered ground chicken feathers in their food. They label it as 'Chicken MEAL".........
 
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I wonder if these manufactures would like ground chicken feathers in their dinner?  I think not
 

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I'm not even 100% on what I feed with Nature's Variety with them being obligate carnivores and all, but that's what the girls eat. I would love to get them on raw like my boys, but one of the girls can't stand wet food weither it's canned or raw so they eat the same in their SureFlap feeder where the boys can't get it. I feed the boys rabbit, turkey, supplements with vitamins and fish oil. And I know exactly what's in it.
I do keep Nature's Variety Instinct Turkey cans on hand, and the boys love it when the meat isn't thawed out for their raw or they have a medical issue that doesn't afford them to eat a full ounce at a time, but I'm pretty sure it's got vegetables in it.
 

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The only way to avoid all those ingredients is to make your own cat food, either home cooked or raw. There's a Raw and Home Cooked Cat Food forum here on TCS with info on how to do those diets properly. Just tossing meat into a bowl is not a balanced diet.

For people who don't want to do a home cooked or raw diet for whatever reason (and that's perfectly fine), reading the pet food label is a must if you want to avoid as many "bad" ingredients as possible.
 water sufficient for processing   found in 10% of pet food products analyzed
Robs protein from can food since it is used as non-nutritive filler instead.

 
Water isnt' a "bad" ingredient, IMO. Canned foods need to have some water in it for the ingredients to be easily mixed together and for the food to be moist in the can. Dry foods may have some water added to mix ingredeints together but then the kibble pieces are baked until dry in a hot oven. I don't think water dilutes the protein content in any way.

Where did you get the list of ingredients from?
 
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I think I just found a cat food without any of these ingredients! It does contain chickpeas, though. Check it out:

 

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karen dsupin karen dsupin

I'm not certain where all your data comes from. One item I know is incorrect:

SNIP........
tetra sodium pyrophosphate found in 7% of pet food products analyzed
Is a rust stain remover used in cleaning products (TSP)!!!! Why is it in food? Emulsification of rendered animal fats! Very toxic, causes nausea and diarrhea....
SNIP

tetrasodium pyrophosphate is abbreviated as TSPP. Wikipedia lists this as a palatability enhancer for cat food and cat treats

It is not the same chemical as TSP -- the cleaning product -- Trisodium phosphate. Trisodium phosphate is very likely to be toxic

There are some overgeneralizations in your definitions, such as comparing sodium carbonate to lye. Lye is made from wood ash also called potash, sodium carbonate is soda ash.

The title you put on this post makes it look like this is information your vet gave you....

That's a little misleading
 
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I'm sorry if that was misleading.  The rest of the information was found on a natural pet food site, and I started out discussing what my Vet had asked me.  I'm sorry if I confused anyone or gave misleading information.  
 

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A lot of vets will recommend even worse food than Blue, such as Science Diet and all of the 'special' Hills diets.  Unfortunately most vets offices sell those brands and they want people to buy them of course.  I adopted my cat from my vets office and they were actually feeding her Purina kitten chow before I got her, which they sell and wanted us to buy. Total junk food! I ended up having to buy a bag so I could wean her off of it and onto something better,  but I don't understand how so many vets lack the knowledge of feline nutrition.  Supposedly many vet school programs barely go over it, which is sad.  
 

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A lot of vets will recommend even worse food than Blue, such as Science Diet and all of the 'special' Hills diets.  Unfortunately most vets offices sell those brands and they want people to buy them of course.  I adopted my cat from my vets office and they were actually feeding her Purina kitten chow before I got her, which they sell and wanted us to buy. Total junk food! I ended up having to buy a bag so I could wean her off of it and onto something better,  but I don't understand how so many vets lack the knowledge of feline nutrition.  Supposedly many vet school programs barely go over it, which is sad.  
^^ THIS. When I took my newly adopted cat for his first exam, my vet recommended feeding him Science Diet dry and wet. I had to lie and say I didn't have the money for it yet which was a good thing since I did researched that night and found out how awful that stuff is. 
I think I just found a cat food without any of these ingredients! It does contain chickpeas, though. Check it out:

Ziwi Peak is in my rotation, any of the flavors except for beef since my cat isn't a fan. They reformulated it because before it had guar guam/agar agar/carrageenan and substituted it with chickpeas. I have the old and new lamb version, and chickpeas is 6th from the ingredient list. They added lamb bone in the new one, and lamb liver, lung, kidney, tripe, and heart will be substituted with sheep depending on the season. 
 
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