Gender determination?

Hey everyone!

I have found my kitten, Messi (like the football player, cause he has a small  football that he plays with), on a cold, rainy day and he's been part of the family since October 23rd.

I assumed he was a boy (from the pictures that I've seen on the internet), but recently my grandma and my best friend's mother told me that it's a girl...

I sent these pictures to a friend that works as a volunteer in an animal shelter but he couldn't tell the gender precisely.

Messi's next vet appointment is next Thursday and I can't bring him there sooner because I have a busy schedule.

So, PLEASE, I need your opinion on this... 

LOL...He looks more like a little boy to me.

And I LOVE that bottom picture!  What a face!

Thank you!

I sent the same pictures to the vet and she also said he's a boy, but she's gonna check him again on his next visit.

I feel so relieved now. 

[by the way, this is my favorite picture of him]

What a doll. Definitely a boy.

yaaaay

Be sure to have him fixed & keep him safe inside.

All boy there!  Cute as a button!  I agree, get him fixed as soon as the vet will do it.  Our shelter does it at 3 pounds which is about 3 months.

Yes, I intend to do that, because there are many female cats in the neighborhood, and their owners don't really care about sterilising them.

Thank you all for your quick replies!

MuffyM said:

Yes, I intend to do that, because there are many female cats in the neighborhood, and their owners don't really care about sterilising them.
Thank you all for your quick replies!

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Yes, it's so important. Good for you! Is your other boy fixed?

Do you need help finding a low cost clinic in your area?

No, he's 2 y.o. and he got bit by my neighbor's dog in 2015.

At that time, he was spending most of the time inside and didn't know much about the outside life, I'm thinking that he didn't see the dog as a threat and that's why he got bit. The injuries were pretty bad, so the vet told us that the anesthesia might be too much for him and we decided not to fix him.

Now we keep him inside because it's very cold outside, and he goes out  just a couple of hours per day so he is safe.

Well, I live in Europe, in a small town and I know the prices, so it's ok. I only have to talk to the vet about the procedure and the right time to do it.

MuffyM said:

No, he's 2 y.o. and he got bit by my neighbor's dog in 2015.
At that time, he was spending most of the time inside and didn't know much about the outside life, I'm thinking that he didn't see the dog as a threat and that's why he got bit. The injuries were pretty bad, so the vet told us that the anesthesia might be too much for him and we decided not to fix him.
Now we keep him inside because it's very cold outside, and he goes out  just a couple of hours per day so he is safe.

Well, I live in Europe, in a small town and I know the prices, so it's ok. I only have to talk to the vet about the procedure and the right time to do it.

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You will need to get both boys fixed, I think. Otherwise there will be a great deal of aggression. Perhaps he is strong enough now. And letting him out for any amount of time is exposing him to cat fights and females.

This summer he was involved in some fights, but with only one cat that lives across the street. The thing is, that cat is fixed and I really don't understand why they were fighting for... maybe for the territory? Cause that cat used to come into our yard, so did my cat.

And when it comes to going out, I can't say no to him. Even with his litter box inside, he still wants to go out and he won't stop staring at the door, meowing. 

MuffyM said:

This summer he was involved in some fights, but with only one cat that lives across the street. The thing is, that cat is fixed and I really don't understand why they were fighting for... maybe for the territory? Cause that cat used to come into our yard, so did my cat.

And when it comes to going out, I can't say no to him. Even with his litter box inside, he still wants to go out and he won't stop staring at the door, meowing. 

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He may be the aggressor in fights because he has full testosterone. You don't want him fighting, and especially not with your new kitten. They are not likely to live peacefully together if they are not both fixed.

Oh, that would be a problem.

See, the kitten is very curious and the other cat is very calm, I rarely see him interested in playing (he sleeps and eats a lot).

I introduced them to each other following small steps, and now, after one month they are finally playing together. (jumping aroung and chasing each other).

The older one is very patient, even though the kitten bites him and jumps on him when he sees him. 

After the incident with the dog he became friends with a stray cat that helped him recover physically and mentally too (he died, unfortunately), so I was optimistic when I got the kitten, cause I knew that they would get along after some time. 

MuffyM said:

Oh, that would be a problem.
See, the kitten is very curious and the other cat is very calm, I rarely see him interested in playing (he sleeps and eats a lot).
I introduced them to each other following small steps, and now, after one month they are finally playing together. (jumping aroung and chasing each other).
The older one is very patient, even though the kitten bites him and jumps on him when he sees him. 

After the incident with the dog he became friends with a stray cat that helped him recover physically and mentally too (he died, unfortunately), so I was optimistic when I got the kitten, cause I knew that they would get along after some time. 

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They will be ok until the kitten is sexually mature. I would talk to your vet about whether your older one can handle a surgery now.

I see.

My sister too insists on getting both of them fixed, so we are probably going to do it when it's possible. (if it is, for the older cat).

Also, this is Messi right now, sleeping like a baby. I thought I share this with you. 

MuffyM said:

I see.
My sister too insists on getting both of them fixed, so we are probably going to do it when it's possible. (if it is, for the older cat).

Also, this is Messi right now, sleeping like a baby. I thought I share this with you. 

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• muffym
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He's very cute! What a little stinker.

What is your hesitation to neuter? Maybe we can help you to feel better.

I am a bit afraid that the big one (Muffy) will gain too much weight, especially because he doesn't play at all, he is a couch potato, and the only one who can change that is the kitten.
I also know that I have to completely change their diet and ahhh after months of trying different types of dry food I have finally found the one that Muffy likes.

MuffyM said:

I am a bit afraid that the big one (Muffy) will gain too much weight, especially because he doesn't play at all, he is a couch potato, and the only one who can change that is the kitten.
I also know that I have to completely change their diet and ahhh after months of trying different types of dry food I have finally found the one that Muffy likes.

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You don't have to change their diet and they shouldn't gain much weight. They just need to eat an appropriate amount for their activity level.

Well I don't mind if they are a bit fat, I would actually love to rub their fluffy tummies.
I guess I just have to wait and see.

Thank you so so much for your advice, I should probably take Messi to bed because it's getting pretty late here.