so I'm thinking about purina ONE...

Here are the ingredients for Nutro Natural Choice Complete Care: (all I see on your list was the corn gluten meal) It's better than most of the foods as far as by products and fillers, and if you read earlier in the thread....Nutro animal testing was covered.

Chicken Meal, Ground Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Dried Beet Pulp, Natural Flavors, Rice Flour, Rice Protein Concentrate, Herring Meal, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Oat Fiber, Yeast Culture, Potassium Chloride, Menhaden Fish Oil, Choline Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Taurine, DL-Methionine, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Inositol, Dried Bacillus Licheniformis Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Chicory Extract, Cranberry Powder, Niacin, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Calcium Iodate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid.

I thought about Wellness...does anyone know of a good site where I can get a good deal on it?

Sofie - This site has good prices on Wellness. It is also where I buy my innova, so I can tell you they are pretty fast about shipping.

http://store.yahoo.com/animalworldne...udrycatfo.html


Catlover - I tried that swheat scoop, but I found it really hard to scoop! It stuck to the bottom of my litter pan like cement, even when I put the prescribed number of inches in the litter box. I really like the idea of it, though.

Aquarius, I found that site for the Wellness earlier today. A 12 lb bag is $19.99 the cheapest so far. I hope the shipping isn't too expensive. I have a store near me that sells it, but I failed to notice how much they were asking for it.

Thanks aquarius!

Hi! Im new here, and I havnt posted very many messages yet.

I feed my cats a variety of foods, Iams, Science Diet, and Purina One.

Anyway, what I am wondering, is what about Science Diet? I Havnt heard much about it as a quality cat food. Ive always assumed that it was... but I don't really know.

Hello DivineOomba,

I tend to think of Science Diet as a middle of the road kind of food. I've used it and quite honestly had excellent results with it, I know others who have used felt the same way. I think it depends on which type of Science Diet too, some of the new ones have meat as the first ingredient where others don't.

I'm not a big fan of science diet. I don't like the way they charge so much to deliver so little. Their ingredients aren't that much different than whiskas, or friskies, or any other grocery store brand, but they charge so much more and falsely lead consumers into believing that they are that much better than all the other foods.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is a BAD food, but it is certainly not as good as it proclaims itself to be.

Just my opinion.

Aqua

I disagree.. I think Science Diet is better than Whiskas and the others.

Take the ingredients in Whiskas:

Ground Yellow Corn, Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Gluten Meal, Animal Fat (preserved with BHA/BHT), Digest of Poultry By-Products, Rice, Soybean Meal, Dried Meat By-Products, Wheat Flour, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Tuna Meal, Dried Egg Product,

and compare them to Science Diet Chicken and Rice:

Chicken, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken by-product meal, corn meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), chicken liver flavor

The Science Diet has Chicken as the first ingredient where Whiskas is corn and does not have chicken meat listed at all. The SD also does not contain BHA/BHT a chemical preservative, Wheat flour, brewers yeast, digest of poultry, soybean meal or unnamed meat by-products. I think it's a lot better IMHO.

This may be the case with the chicken and rice recipe. Many of their other formulas do not list meat first - sometimes it is the 3rd or later ingredient!

Here is their Nature's Best Formula:
Brewers rice, corn gluten meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), turkey meal, dried egg product, chicken, ground wheat, peas, carrots, dried beet pulp, chicken liver flavor, L-lysine, DL- methionine, oat fiber, taurine, iron oxide, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

Here is their adult light formula:
Brewers rice, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, powdered cellulose, corn meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), soybean mill run, chicken liver flavor, taurine, L-carnitine, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta-carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

Advanced protection:
Brewers rice, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, corn meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), dried egg product, chicken liver flavor, fish oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols and ascorbic acid), DL-methionine, L-lysine, natural flavor, taurine, L-cysteine, L-carnitine, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, salt, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta-carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin E supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of Vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).


Also, their canned food is pretty shabby: The kind we sell the most of is the chicken and liver:

Water, meat by-products, liver, chicken, rice flour, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken liver flavor, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), powdered cellulose, guar gum, xanthan gum, locust bean gum, brewers dried yeast, taurine, DL-methionine, minerals (calcium carbonate, potassium chloride, dicalcium phosphate, calcium sulfate, salt, magnesium oxide, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, thiamine mononitrate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).


Most nutritionists agree that byproducts in general do not supply an ideal protein source - although it is true that they do supply protein. But especially MEAT byproducts, which can be any number of unsavory things.

For how much science diet costs, they do not need to be putting in all those fillers and bypoducts.

JMHO.

Aqua

Wow, Aqua. I am really surprised and appauled at those ingredients...especially the "Nature's Best" line. I mean, the title is even misleading. I agree that it isn't very different from the grocery store brands.

I feed my cats Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul dry and a variety of wet- Evolve, Precise, Pet Guard (they love these) and occasionally natural life, though I don't think they are as fond of it.

I hear very few people mention Precise on this board, though I think their ingredients look great...what do you all think of it?

NewtoCats - I have heard really good things about Precise, especially in regards to the quality of their ingredients. A lot of the natural pet food lovers really like it. I have never really looked into the brand though - I would be curious to check it out.

Does your kitty like the Evolve cans? I have been thinking about trying it for my boy.

Aqua

Precise Feline Foundation Formula

Dry Food Ingredients:

Chicken Meal, Ground Yellow Corn, Ground Brown Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Ascorbyl Palmitate), Ground Whole Wheat, Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Cheese, Dried Whey, Lecithin, Brewers Dried Yeast, vitamins and minerals.

Corn is the second and fourth ingredient in this food. A good food has NO corn in it whatsoever.

Crazy,

That is why I don't feed my cats the dry formula of Precise...only the wet. They eat chicken soup for the cat lovers soul dry only.

Turkey Formula Ingredients:
Turkey, Turkey Broth, Chicken Liver, Brown Rice, Oat Bran, Dried Egg Product, Lecithin, Brewers Dried Yeast, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Carrageenan, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Sodium Selenite, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Taurine, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Biotin.

Simmered Seafare Formula Ingredients:
Ocean Fish, Ocean Fish Broth, Salmon, Mackerel, Tuna, Chicken Liver, Brown Rice, Oat Bran, Dried Egg Product, Lecithin, Brewers Dried Yeast, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Carrageenan, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Sodium Selenite, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Taurine, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Biotin.


Deluxe Medley Formula Ingredients:
Chicken, Chicken Broth, Turkey, Chicken Liver, Beef, Ocean Fish, Brown Rice, Oat Bran, Dried Egg Product, Lecithin, Brewers Dried Yeast, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Carrageenan, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Sodium Selenite, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Taurine, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Biotin.

Chicken Formula Ingredients:
Chicken, Chicken Broth, Chicken Liver, Brown Rice, Oat Bran, Dried Egg Product, Lecithin, Brewers Dried Yeast, Guar Gum, Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salt, Carrageenan, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Sodium Selenite, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Taurine, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Biotin.

Originally posted by AmberThe Bobcat
Good Lord, I can not believe what I just read about IAMS/Eukanuba

I guess it is time for me to look for another food. Boy is IAMS going to hear from Amber and I!

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AmbertheBobcat
I know there was a thread about IAMS/Eukanuba a while back about their testing etc. Cant give you a link I'm afraid as I cant remember when it was. I know Susan(Rosie) looked into it and got some replies as did others,try a search on this forum IAMS and you'll get there.
Id like to hear the replies you get from them.

I am so confused now
Dori eats Science Diet, I compared it to other cat foods at the time I selected it, but I really didn't know what to look for. After I read about the corn (Crazy posted no good cat food should have corn) and the other posts about Science Diet I started thinking maybe it isn't the best. I am trying to continue buying her food at Petsmart and was going through the ingredients of the foods they sell and all of them have corn glutten meal listed within the first 4 ingredients. (Pro Plan, Nutro, and a few others) Are these foods ok even though they have the corn? From what I have read the best cat foods are the ones that you can't buy at most stores, you have to find a specialty store. Is there any comprable food that I can buy at Petsmart?


I actually just found that Eukanuba Chicken and Rice formula doesn't have corn, does that mean it's the best that they sell there?

The best food you can buy at PetsMart is Royal Canin. They have many different formulas, so it's easy to find the best one for your cat. It's just the big pet stores that don't sell great food, like PetsMart, Petco and Petcetera. Any other pet store has super premium cat food!

I feed mostly dry Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover Soul, a variety of wets and occasionally a rare treat of random brands. (meaning they will get 1 or 2 little pieces a couple times a week) I get sample packs from my feed store and the vet so thats what I use as treats usually.

They love the Chicken Soup stuff and I love that its cheap and has good ingredients! I told my vet I was feeding it to them and he looked like I was an evil person... turns out he thought I meant literal Chicken soup from a can!!! He hadnt heard of the cat food brand at all.

Thanks Crazy for the help with the brand of food. I will check into that one. I do think it is odd that the big pet stores don't sell the great brands. I also checked online and did find a place not too far from me that sells Natural Balance. That looked like a great brand as well. I do feel better after reading this post, all though I ended up a little confused I am more knowledgeable about what to look for in a cat food.

I'm still trying to figure out all of this catfood stuff.

My cats are currently eating Nutro Natural Choice. I've been following this thread since it started, and when I read that Royal Canin was the food of choice at Petsmart, I took a look at their website. I can't figure out why it would be better than the Nutro. Can somebody help me out?

Here are the ingredients and the analyses:

Nutro Natural Choice Adult

Ingredients
Chicken Meal, Ground Rice, Corn Gluten Meal, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Dried Beet Pulp, Natural Flavors, Rice Flour, Rice Protein Concentrate, Herring Meal, Sunflower Oil (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of natural Vitamin E), Dehydrated Alfalfa Meal, Oat Fiber, Yeast Culture, Potassium Chloride, Menhaden Fish Oil, Choline Chloride, Dried Egg Product, Taurine, DL-Methionine, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Inositol, Dried Bacillus Licheniformis Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Chicory Extract, Cranberry Powder, Niacin, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Biotin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Calcium Iodate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (minimum) 33.00%
Crude Fat (minimum) 19.00%
Crude Fiber (maximum) 4.00%
Moisture (maximum) 10.00%
Ash (maximum) 6.75%
Linoleic Acid (minimum) 4.00%
Magnesium (maximum) 0.088%
Zinc (minimum) 250 mg/kg
Vitamin E (minimum) 250 IU/kg
Taurine (minimum) 0.18%
Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA) (minimum)* 0.06%
Ascorbic Acid (minimum)* 50 mg/kg

*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profiles.

Royal Canin Indoor Formula

Ingredients
Chicken meal, brewers rice, chicken, corn gluten meal, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), brown rice, pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, fish oil, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, chicory extract, DL-methionine, choline chloride, salt, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement.


Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein\tNot less than\t27%
Crude Fat\tNot less than\t13%
Crude Fiber\tNot more than
\t5%
Moisture\tNot more than\t10%
Magnesium\tNot more than\t0.1%
Taurine\tNot less than\t0.15%
Omega 6*\tNot less than\t1.9%
Omega 3*\tNot less than\t0.46%
Calories\t(kcal/cup)\t320
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile.

Royal Canin Adult

Ingredients
Chicken meal, brewers rice, corn gluten meal, chicken, corn, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), pea fiber, beet pulp, chicken flavor, powdered cellulose, fish oil, dried egg products, brewers yeast, sodium bisulfate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, DL-methionine, taurine, natural antioxidant, iron proteinate, vitamin A acetate, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, zinc oxide, zinc proteinate, ferrous sulfate, manganese oxide, calcium pantothenate, manganese proteinate, niacin supplement, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate, folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite, vitamin B12 supplement.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein\tNot less than\t32%
Crude Fat\tNot less than\t13%
Crude Fiber\tNot more than
\t4%
Moisture\tNot more than\t10%
Magnesium\tNot more than\t0.095%
Taurine\tNot less than\t0.15%
Omega 6*\tNot less than\t1.9%
Omega 3*\tNot less than\t0.43%
Calories\t(kcal/cup)\t316
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Cat Food Nutrient Profile.

They all contain corn gluten meal, which I understand isn't one of the more desirable ingredients. I also see that the RC products contain "corn". The RC products contain additional "chicken". Is that it? Though the indoor formula appears that it could have less protein than the Nutro and RC Adult products. I'm trying to figure out if one of these would be worth switching to. My cats enjoy the Nutro and their coats feel incredible. Are the RC formulas better products and if so what makes them so?

thanks in advance for any replies!

Jill