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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Has anyone make any purchase through that vendor before? www.fleameds.com? BBB has some information about this company, but nothing positive nor negative. However, the price on Advantage is very good, with flat shipping rate of $4.95. I just placed one small order and hopefully everything will go well.

Keep my fingers crossed.
post #2 of 24
Let us know how it goes, Prices do look good

Clara
post #3 of 24
*Sometimes* when you buy off the internet for these types of treatments you are not getting the full-strength product but a weaker formula which is why the price is lower. This does not always apply, but it can and does happen.
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Good timing! I just received the order in the mail today. I order it on 25th online, and it came today. Not too bad for shipping. The vendor also responded my email, a day later. In regards to hissy's comment, the package which I receive is the same as the one which I bought from my vet's office before. 10% w/v imidacloprid, 0.8 ml per tube, for cats over 4kg/9lb and over. My guess on why the cheap price is that the vendor gets his source from Canada, since the package says "4kg" instead of "9lb." Oh well, it is the same thing.

By the way, I found one entry of this vendor at BBB.
http://www.bbbsoutheastflorida.org/n...33000034001803
The email which I received from the vendor does say "Frank Pet Supply."

There you go. I will shop again from this vendor. I hope my information helps somewhat.
post #5 of 24
I think we are going to order from them now, we paid $33 for frontline plus and they have it for like 24
post #6 of 24
I get Advantage off ebay for very cheap.. like $20 a pack
post #7 of 24
I got this today in my email and you may want to look at the link for more info .

EPA is acting to disrupt an effort to distribute counterfeit pet
pesticides. The Agency has ordered pesticide distributors and retailers
in a number of states to stop selling counterfeit pet pesticide products
which falsely contain EPA Registration numbers and labeling for the
"Advantage" and "Frontline" brands of pesticides. "Advantage" and
"Frontline" are trade names of widely available pesticides for control
of fleas and ticks on cats and dogs.

The counterfeit pesticides appear to have been unlawfully imported and
packaged in retail cartons which are designed to look similar to
legitimately registered pesticides sold in the U.S. EPA's investigation
indicates that the counterfeit products have been sold to distributors
and retailers throughout the country. The counterfeit products have
outer retail cartons that are made to resemble EPA registered
pesticides. Inside the cartons are applicators labeled and packaged for
overseas markets. In some cases, the pesticide applicators may not have
the proper child-resistant packaging or the accompanying instructional
leaflet required by the Agency is missing. In addition, the consumer
cannot be assured that the pesticide dosage is correct for the animal
pictured on the retail carton.

The counterfeit products may be different from legitimate Advantage and
Frontline products in several ways. EPA has posted detailed
information, including photos of legitimate products, at:
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsheets/petproduct.htm .

Counterfeit products should be disposed of according to accepted
procedures for other household chemicals. Many communities and
municipalities have local resources to dispose of household chemicals,
and consumers are encouraged to contact their local solid waste
authority for more information on disposal programs for chemicals. Pet
owners who are concerned their pet may be affected by counterfeit
products should contact their veterinarian.

EPA regulates all pesticides used in the U.S. Before a pesticide can be
marketed in this country the Agency performs a rigorous scientific
review to ensure that use of the product is not likely to cause harmful
effects on people, pets or the environment. Under the Federal
Insecticide, Fungicide and Rodenticide Act (FIFRA), EPA requires
pesticide products to contain instructions for proper use, safety
precautions to follow and directions for proper disposal of unused
product and their containers. Legitimate Advantage and Frontline
products that have been through EPA's comprehensive review process are
registered for use in the United States, and are not affected by this
action. Because the counterfeit pesticides do not conform with
established safeguards, the Agency has issued "Stop Sale" orders on the
counterfeit products in question. Extensive additional information is
available at: http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/factsheets/petproduct.htm .
post #8 of 24
Thanks Hedi, this is what I was trying to warn people about. Product tampering on a very professional level.
post #9 of 24
I was looking to buy over the internet . Be sure I wont now after reading that . I will continue to buy from my vet , even if it cost me more with my herd .
post #10 of 24
omg.

Quote:
Advantage products

The only way to determine a legitimate Advantage product from a counterfeit product is by examining the actual applicator tubes that are inside the carton. Since the directions for use on the retail carton (outer box) and instruction leaflet of the legitimate product and the counterfeit product are identical, check the language that is printed on the applicator tubes. The legitimate Advantage products all contain applicator tubes that are printed in English. The most obvious sign of a counterfeit product is that the applicator tubes are printed in a foreign language (most likely French or German).


The legitimate applicator tubes include the EPA Registration Number, the signal word WARNING, and the child hazard warning (Keep Out of Reach of Children). Counterfeit applicator tubes may lack this information.

Advantage applicator tube

Legitimate applicator tubes will also include a reference statement that refers users to the main labeling for directions for use and will include the manufacturing company’s name (Bayer). Counterfeit applicator tubes may lack this information.


Legitimate applicator tubes will contain an active ingredient statement that agrees with the active ingredient statement on the retail carton (9.1% imidacloprid). A counterfeit product may have an active ingredient statement that differs (such as 10%).
omg I just checked my two advantage packages that I got online. I think Zoey's I got on ebay and Saki's from some other website. I compared them both with the information posted above. Saki's orange packs have a Made in Germany sticker on the back of the package and sound fake per the quotes above I have already used 3 months on him already... he's fine thank got but I'm throwing this last one away. It's strange though.. it says Bayer, and Advantage and everything except the tube does not have the Warning notice that the purple ones have. Zoey's is fine, authentic. Arg!!! I guess I will be paying the full price from now on to assure I am not harming my cats
post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 
OMG!!!!!!

PurrfectCatlove, thank you so much for this valuable information. The product that I got from Fleameds is indeed a counterfeit. It has 10% imidacloprid, not 9.1%. Though the applicator tube is printed in English, it does not have the warnings.....

Well, for the love of my furbabies, I guess spending a little bit more on flea medication is worthwhile. I would kill myself if I harm them because of my frugalness.

So is vet's office the only place to buy flea meds?

In the meantime, I have emailed Fleameds to address my concern. I hope the company would do something about it. The company has a 10% restocking fee for refund. I certainly do not want to pay for that 10% since this item cannot be restocked.

I will let you all know about Fleameds' response.
post #12 of 24
I was in shock myself when I was reading that . For me it really would be great to buy over the internet , having so many cats like I have . I would save a lot of dollars . But no way I am going to buy now on the internet . I rather pay $200.00 dollars for my herd and know they are save and healthy .
post #13 of 24
Thread Starter 
So I went to my vet's office for some genuine Advantage for my furbabies. The one that I got from vet does have the right dosage, EPA registration number, etc. However, I cannot find expiry date written on the package...... hum...... I wonder whether it would expire. *sign*... who should I trust?
post #14 of 24
Hmmmm ??? Maybe you can ask the vet office to change it out with one what have a date on it . But then on the other hand vets usually toss out the out of date meds .They don't want to be held responsible of anything .
post #15 of 24
It sounds like the ones from fleameds aren't necessarily counterfit, but the canadian version of the product. Of course if its canadian there wouldn't be a need to have information that the American Government requires on packaging... from the info posted, it doesn't seem that those are necessarily 'counterfit' in that sense. I guess it depends on your definition.

Would a canadian dollar be counterfit for a US dollar?
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
Louse76, that is a good point. But what bothers me is the ingredient. It should be 9.1%, not 10%. Mine is 10%
post #17 of 24
Ok, by making this post I am not saying that counterfeit products do not exist.

Different countries have different regulations as to how much a particular chemical can be used safely. So although you may be buying the same product, the concentration of the active ingredient may be different, the composition may also be different. However, keep in mind that with medication products, strict guidelines are in place with many composition and concentration levels being universal despite the country of origin. This does sound like I am contradicting myself but this can be a complex issue.

The best thing to do is talk to your vet and be honest with what you have been doing and where you have been purchasing the product from. Check which country the internet company is based. Find out what the recommended dosage is from your vet. Then if you do choose to continue purchasing over the internet, before hitting the 'Purchase' button, send an e-mail to the supplier asking about the composition and concentration of the ingredients. Do not mention what composition and concentration that you are expecting, just simply ask.

I live in Australia. The packing on my Advantage packet is different to USA packaging though I do know what to look for before using it. The concentration of imidacloprid is 100g/L which means 10% w/v. And with Frontline Plus, the composition is 100g/L fipronil, (10%w/v), and 120g/L (S)-methoprene, (12% w/v). Both of which I purchased from the vet's office. This is the only way that I know that I am getting what I expect.

I should also mention that the Advantage that I bought was for cats and kittens of size up to 4kg, (9 pounds) and in 0.4mL tubes, and the Frontline Plus was for cats, not dogs.
post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
a_loveless_gem, what you have mentioned is interesting because what says on the pak that I got from the internet is exactly what's on yours. Perhaps I should call Advantage on Monday to get everything sorted out. Fleameds has not reply to my email yet, and I doubt it would do so...........
post #19 of 24
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Originally posted by mowguai
a_loveless_gem, what you have mentioned is interesting because what says on the pak that I got from the internet is exactly what's on yours. Perhaps I should call Advantage on Monday to get everything sorted out. Fleameds has not reply to my email yet, and I doubt it would do so...........
While it is a good idea to call Advantage, chances are you may only be able to contact a representative that only knows of the legal requirements in your country alone.

I reccommend talking to a vet because they are specialised in the area. In addition to this, they would also know of the reasons why a certain dosage is set instead of another. Also, they will be able to advise you as to how to purchase future products over the internet if that is your intention. They may not like it and will tell you so, but if the vet is a good one, they will be able to tell you exactly what to look out for. Remember, the vet will have many contacts to many suppliers and people out there, not to mention a wealth of knowledge.

If you do call Advantage, I would be interested in what they have to say.
post #20 of 24
So it does sound like in fact that our government has unnecessarily weakened the formula with their regulations and is calling anything from outside the country with the un-US-regulated dosage 'counterfit'.

Just as I suspected.
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
I just want it all to end... So I returned the Advantage to Fleameds. In the meantime, the seller of course denies my accusation of vending counterfeit Advantage. He claims that he always gets his products from license vet.

Also, in regards to the expiry date on Advantage, I received a letter from the Advantage rep. The rep told me that Advantage DOES NOT expire, as long as it is still in the sealed tube.


From now on, I would only buy stuffs from my vet's office.
post #22 of 24
Quote:
Originally posted by Louse76
So it does sound like in fact that our government has unnecessarily weakened the formula with their regulations and is calling anything from outside the country with the un-US-regulated dosage 'counterfit'.

Just as I suspected.
Just because the formula that you purchase in your particular country has a slightly lower concentration of the active ingredient than another country does not mean that your country has unnecessarily sells a 'weakened formula'. Like I stated in my first post, different countries have different legislation and regulations when it comes to the use of chemicals.

Each government is quite able to label a product that doesn't meet the nation's criteria as counterfeit and/or unsafe. This is not to confuse consumers. This is a safeguard to protect consumers from possible harm.

Again, I must stress, please talk to your vet regarding this. They will be able to explain the situation relative to where you live. I am just talking about the bigger picture as to how chemicals are regulated worldwide.

Quote:
Originally posted by mowguai
I just want it all to end... So I returned the Advantage to Fleameds. In the meantime, the seller of course denies my accusation of vending counterfeit Advantage. He claims that he always gets his products from license vet.

Also, in regards to the expiry date on Advantage, I received a letter from the Advantage rep. The rep told me that Advantage DOES NOT expire, as long as it is still in the sealed tube.


From now on, I would only buy stuffs from my vet's office
Your seller may be telling the truth. Did he state the country from where he bought it from? And again, with the internet when buying medication either for pets or humans it is difficult to know 100% that you are getting what you are paying for.

My Advantage pack, just as every other pack that I have bought, along with Frontline Plus all have an expiry date. With what I know about chemicals, I do not believe that what the representative told you is 100% correct.

The expiry date is a guide for consumers. It is an estimated time that states for how long the chemical will remain stable and not break down and become a completely different chemical, rendering it ineffective.

BUT! If the product is stored according to the manufacturer's instructions then it is possible that the chemical remains stable and doesn't break down or react with any preservatives that may or may not be present or with the container itself!

Would I use a chemical beyond its use by date? That answer would be no. The risk of possibly causing harm is too great in my opinion.
post #23 of 24
I get flea meds from 1.800.petmeds and I order them through the website I built for the cat rescue group I belong to, part of the purchase goes to my group, so it's almost like getting a discount.

The problem I find with discounted stuff is, if the deal sounds too good to be true, chances are that it is. I haven't found any problems with 800PETMEDS stuff.

It's a lot like the counterfit bolts and fastners that can appear in automotive and truck parts operations.
Our bolts and fastners have to meet strict specifications and tolerances for obvious reasons and I'm not too keen on the idea of thundering down the highway with sub-standard bolts and fastners holding this 80,000 pound monster together.

When it comes to medication for your pets, you're really buying chemicals to place on or in your pet that are supposed to be helping your pet, not harming it.
I was about to put that link into my favorites and save me some money, too. But after reading this, I'll pay the higher price, get the free shipping and have the confidence that I'm getting exactly the right product.
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by mowguai
Has anyone make any purchase through that vendor before? www.fleameds.com? BBB has some information about this company, but nothing positive nor negative. However, the price on Advantage is very good, with flat shipping rate of $4.95. I just placed one small order and hopefully everything will go well.

Keep my fingers crossed.
I tried to purchase some flea meds through fleameds.com. They took my money right away, and after a month, I still had no meds. I tried calling and e-mail to no avail. I looked up the address and visited it. It's an old house that is run down. No number on the mail box, no number on the house. I finally went through my visa card to get my money back.
Good luck with your order.
Also....
1800petmeds.com is right down the street. As soon as I mentioned this site, they said they are not on the up and up and sell outdated meds.

Good luck!!!
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