Inflammation of the kidneys?

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Didn't the new vet have an idea about a plan b?
Just the barbiturate.
I am going to take Mukkia back to the doctor who Mukkia knows. I called him this morning. I am just going to beg him to fix my Mukkia. [emoji]128148[/emoji][emoji]128575[/emoji]
I am waiting for my mom to get here.
 

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Ive been crying for you. I wish I had a magic wand. Sorry but did they ever try anti nausa and acid meds? I will list below:

Cerenia

Zofran

Anti acid

Pepcid

Appetite stimulant

Cyproheptadine-12-24 hours

Mirtazapine every 3-4 days

This is maybe something you can TRY for 48 hours.

Cerenia/Pepcid with sub fluids

Cypro for appetite..and see how it goes...

I apologize if you already tried these-sometimes this will help make them more comfortable. Sometimes it won't help. Sometimes we just will never know why our babies are ill...sending hugs..see what the vet says..but from what you are telling me-the hiding is he is feeling awful BUT we can try these meds to see if it helps...old age shouldn't be a death sentence...Just try to hope for the best..sending more hugs 
 
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Ive been crying for you. I wish I had a magic wand. Sorry but did they ever try anti nausa and acid meds? I will list below:

Cerenia
Zofran

Anti acid
Pepcid

Appetite stimulant

Cyproheptadine-12-24 hours

Mirtazapine every 3-4 days

This is maybe something you can TRY for 48 hours.

Cerenia/Pepcid with sub fluids
Cypro for appetite..and see how it goes...

I apologize if you already tried these-sometimes this will help make them more comfortable. Sometimes it won't help. Sometimes we just will never know why our babies are ill...sending hugs..see what the vet says..but from what you are telling me-the hiding is he is feeling awful BUT we can try these meds to see if it helps...old age shouldn't be a death sentence...Just try to hope for the best..sending more hugs 
Yes, we have tried all of those, except for the Zofran. I am going to force feed him through the weekend, so that I know I have tried everything I can for Mukkia.
 
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Some cats respond better to Zofran than Cerenia.

Sending you every good thought!! AND HUGS!!!!
Thank you for the information about the Zofran. I will have the doctor prescribe him some, if she is willing to. Cerenia is not good for Mukkia, we tried that back in February. [emoji]128575[/emoji]
You can see he does not have any more fat left to lose. I am just trying to figure out how to save him, and if it is the right thing at this point. So, I am just spending time with him. Thank you again to you and everyone else who has been here for us. It means so much.
 
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They are getting his medicine together for me now.
AD, agin, but add some water to it this time while force feeding. I have never had to do this with the AD? Buprenex, but I have to sign a paper on that one, plus make sure it is only on his gums, and does not swallow it. I am nervous about this one. She said I use a syringe, then remove the needle. They are going to show me how to do it, but I was wondering if anyone has had to use this, and any advice?
I can't give it to him until tomorrow. Unless my mom is able to get there before they close.
 
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The bupre is very good for pain. Sometime they get sleepy on it. Yes when you put it in the mouth You only squirt it on the cheek pocket inside the side lip. Usually its .15ml which is a very tiny amount of liquid.

Bupre is a synthetic opioid that works via the blood vessels in the mouth. It is not absorbed via the stomach. This is a short acting pain script. Generally 6-8 hours of relief. I find it works better after they have eaten. Because technically this particular med works best when they don't eat or drink anything for 30 minutes after ingesting in the mouth. Plus some kitties do better with a bit of food in the tummy prior to meds.

Don't be nervous. Bupre is very safe for cats. Its actually one of the only meds safe for cats for pain management.

Feel free to ask any other questions.

I'm on my phone so I may not be able to respond as fast. :vibes::vibes::vibes::vibes:
 

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Sorry I haven't been about much the last couple of days, I've not had much time to get on my laptop but have been thinking of you both @Mukkia.  Still sending positive vibes and hoping for you that you find a way for Mukkia to feel comfortable anbd spend more time with you.   It's good that you have others here who have experience with the different medications and procedures.   

Your spending time with Mukkia is the best thing you can do, both for you sensing from him how he feels and would want you to do for him, and to calm and comfort him when he wants company.  

  
 
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I promise foxxycat foxxycat , and mservant mservant I will reply to both. I am going to give Mukkia around 75 cc of fluids. I have not picked up the pain medicine. So tomorrow now. His vet left me more fluids so I can give Mukkia more over the weekend. I am thinking of holding off on the pain medicine for at least right now. I have to say one thing. Sometimes, the small vet that doesn't have the best of the best is actually better than the ones that have the latest, and the greatest. One thing most of those don't have what the small veterinarian does, and that 100% absolute, genuine care, and compassion.my faith was literally just restored.
 
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I am glad you feel your faith in the vet who knows Mukkia best has been restored.  Often, when we are desperate we will grasp at anything that gives us hope, even if it casts doubt on people and situations we would normally accept and value.   Sometimes we just need a different source of information to help us hear what the situation is and to accept it, and to be able to listen to our own gut feelings.   I know I have had experiences similar to what you describe here @Mukkia, and couldn't agree more. It is invaluable when we have such caring and experienced vets who understand us as people and do not feel threatened or respond negatively with us or our animals when this happens.   You are lucky to have such great resources around you when you have such a difficult situation to get through, hopefully with as little stress and pain for Mukkia as is possible.   For me, low key interventions are often the best, but each new situation brings with it the need for different approaches and different answers.  One thing is sure - it takes a lot out of you as the human 'guardian'. so be sure to take care of yourself.
 

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The bupre is very good for pain. Sometime they get sleepy on it. Yes when you put it in the mouth You only squirt it on the cheek pocket inside the side lip. Usually its .15ml which is a very tiny amount of liquid.

Bupre is a synthetic opioid that works via the blood vessels in the mouth. It is not absorbed via the stomach. This is a short acting pain script. Generally 6-8 hours of relief. I find it works better after they have eaten. Because technically this particular med works best when they don't eat or drink anything for 30 minutes after ingesting in the mouth. Plus some kitties do better with a bit of food in the tummy prior to meds.

Don't be nervous. Bupre is very safe for cats. Its actually one of the only meds safe for cats for pain management.

Feel free to ask any other questions.

I'm on my phone so I may not be able to respond as fast.
@Mukkia ....I just wanted to add something to the excellent info that @foxxycat posted.

(For my rainbow cat Spotty, the Bupe (buprenorphine) helped him with end stage CKD, by reducing his pain, and making him more comfortable, so that he could sleep, and not be uncomfortable, or tense.

But it may have caused a side effect of having one of his eye pupils larger than the other. I say 'may have' because I freaked out, and took him to an ER vet, who told me that 'no, that is not a side effect, but something neurological." It happened the last two times I gave him the Bupe, and did subside, after about two hours....pupils went back to normal. By this point Spotty was in bad shape, so I don't know if his illness contributed to one eye pupil being blown, and then going back to normal, or the Bupe.)

I just mention it, in case you notice anything similar.
I promise @foxxycat, and @MServant I will reply to both. I am going to give Mukkia around 75 cc of fluids. I have not picked up the pain medicine. So tomorrow now. His vet left me more fluids so I can give Mukkia more over the weekend. I am thinking of holding off on the pain medicine for at least right now. I have to say one thing. Sometimes, the small vet that doesn't have the best of the best is actually better than the ones that have the latest, and the greatest. One thing most of those don't have what the small veterinarian does, and that 100% absolute, genuine care, and compassion.my faith was literally just restored.
I'm so hoping that the fluids, and pain meds help, to get him feeling better, to eat again.

Even if Mukkia eats small amounts every few hours, by assist feeding, then he'd be getting some nutrients from his food.

Trying the A/D, or like you said, any food... fancy feast, friskies pate, or Wellness pate, chicken baby food (no onions or garlic)...is all worth trying.

Also asking the Vet about having Miralax on hand, in case Mukkia gets constipated from the pain meds, too.
 
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....I just wanted to add something to the excellent info that @foxxycat
posted.

(For my rainbow cat Spotty, the Bupe (buprenorphine) helped him with end stage CKD, by reducing his pain, and making him more comfortable, so that he could sleep, and not be uncomfortable, or tense.
But it may have caused a side effect of having one of his eye pupils larger than the other. I say 'may have' because I freaked out, and took him to an ER vet, who told me that 'no, that is not a side effect, but something neurological." It happened the last two times I gave him the Bupe, and did subside, after about two hours....pupils went back to normal. By this point Spotty was in bad shape, so I don't know if his illness contributed to one eye pupil being blown, and then going back to normal, or the Bupe.)

I just mention it, in case you notice anything similar.

I'm so hoping that the fluids, and pain meds help, to get him feeling better, to eat again.
Even if Mukkia eats small amounts every few hours, by assist feeding, then he'd be getting some nutrients from his food.
Trying the A/D, or like you said, any food... fancy feast, friskies pate, or Wellness pate, chicken baby food (no onions or garlic)...is all worth trying.

Also asking the Vet about having Miralax on hand, in case Mukkia gets constipated from the pain meds, too.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all of the help Mukkia and I have received. I will update soon. I am so sorry for everyone's loss. I am trying my best with everything i have to prevent this from happening with us right now. I did find out that there is still a chance of Mukkia having an ulcer. Usually, the medicine would have worked by now, but sometimes it takes a bit longer. She said if no improvement with the Sucralfate by Monday then it is not an ulcer. So I am still praying.
 

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ask about Pepcid. Floey responded very well to Pepcid. you can get it over the counter-just get generic. its very bitter tasting so get some plain gelcaps at a healthfood store. I got a pill cutter and its 1/4 tab of 10mg. Make sure its just plain Pepcid without added sweetners or other ingredients. I have noticed in the last few months they have added stuff to meds under the inactive ingredient list that just makes me mad because most of us don't need extra unnecessary junk in our meds.

usually its given every 24 hours but in bad cases it is given every 12 hours. ask the vet what they think. I bet this will help him with eating. It sure helped floey. I suspect she had ulcers too just from her bad breathe and the way she always picked. she couldn't go a long way without eating often. if she didn't eat then that's when she gets the pukes or the picky eating.

U can go up to 100cc for fluids. Floey had a heart issue and we did 100. some vets do 150ml. but whatever you feel comfortable with. some cats do better with smaller amounts more frequently. I have heard some kitties getting 50ml every 12-18 hours depending on urine output/appetite etc etc.

Floey almost ALWAYS perked up eating after Pepcid and fluids and Cerenia. within 30 min of the meds she would be nosing at her food dish...and yep she only picked..but better to pick than not eat at all...
 
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He was walking away from me in this one. I know that it is wishful thinking that he has gained weight in less than a day. I am trying to remain positive. So, I am hoping tomorrow he will feel better so we can get one prints. I want it to be a good memory, and not a memory of ' that day he felt OK.' I am just trying to create an amazing memory of this. Not, ' I forced him to do it while he felt bad, or just OK. If that makes sense? I am going to continue to feed him, and just let him be.
 
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I finally picked up the pain medicine that goes on the gums. Any tips on how to make this as fast, and less stressful for him as possible? Here is the actual name of the medicine I am talking about.
 
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How will I know if any of these symptoms occur?
In rare cases, buprenorphine can slow breathing, as with other opiates. The most common side effect of buprenorphine is sedation. Other side effects may include a drop in blood pressure, high heart rate, changes in body temperature (high or low), anorexia and/or hyperactivity. I am nervous.
 

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How will I know if any of these symptoms occur?
In rare cases, buprenorphine can slow breathing, as with other opiates. The most common side effect of buprenorphine is sedation. Other side effects may include a drop in blood pressure, high heart rate, changes in body temperature (high or low), anorexia and/or hyperactivity. I am nervous.
(The only thing I noticed in my cat was being sleepy and less tense after the buprenorphine, because he was able to stretch out while sleeping onto his side versus hunched meatloaf position.

The eye pupil dilation occurred later, as I mentioned above. My guy was only on 0.2mg/ml dosage, and it was administered in individual syringes at 0.1 ml per small syringes.)

Side effects for animals are very hard to predict. Since each animal is different.

It's very natural to be nervous.

Did the Vet give you individual syringes for Mukkia of the pain meds, or show you how to fill your own syringe?

Take a fine-tip dark marker and mark the line, of the individual gradients of the syringe, so that you know it's always the same.

Have you been able to assist feed Mukkia some food by syringe?

I found that if you made the food into a soupy, watery warm paste, and filled it by opening the larger syringes and stuffing them from the plunger side, it was faster to fill.

Then turning the syringe and pushing on the plunger to eliminate the air pockets. Keeping the left over food inside a plastic container.

The videos helped me a lot.

Giving the cat more feedings, every three to four hours or so. And recording how much he ate, time of meds, how he acted, etc.

Sending Healthy thoughts and prayers for Mukkia.
 
 
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